It seems like we have yet to figure out if we can get the announcements
list to automatically copy messages here. But since the reply-to
function is at least set properly for this list, I'll take advantage of
it now to make sure the full original message is posted here as well.
--Michael Snow
Replying for the purpose of forwarding the original message, part two.
--Michael Snow
On 6/23/2010 10:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
What is the purpose of the resolution?
The Board is asking its Executive Director to conduct a study, with the
goal of figuring out what to do about
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
Does the board have consensus on what to do about
potentially-objectionable materials in the projects?
No. So far, board members have exchanged several hundred e-mails on this
topic, and we will continue to discuss it
On 24 Jun 2010, at 11:10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
Does the board have consensus on what to do about
potentially-objectionable materials in the projects?
No. So far, board members have exchanged
On 23 June 2010 21:31, Mariano Cecowski marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote:
--- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net escribió:
I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's
a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably
efficient way. It would be really
Hello,
Recently there has been a controversy on Wikipedia in German about
extra articles in simple language. Authors of its medical group wanted
to create sub pages suitable for children, believing in an urgent
need. [1]
In the discussion, the question of creating a Wikipedia in simple
German
Hi Ziko,
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
In the discussion, the question of creating a Wikipedia in simple
German came up.
This would be useful.
As we know, to-day Wikimedia language committee policies prohibit a
new Wikipedia in a language
Hoi,
The language committee is tasked with other projects; for subsequent
projects for a language there is a requirement for a complete localisation
for that language and for a substantial sized content for that project.
The rationale for this is that many projects were created because we could
Thanks for your very useful thoughts, Samuel. They lead us to these
two key questions:
- Create new Wikipedias, or a new project: What would make sense? If
they were new Wikipedias, we would potentially double the list with
interwiki links (in other languages). I prefer a new project.
- Scope
I love those proofreading features, and the new default layout for a
book's pages and TOC. Wikisource is becoming AWESOME.
Do we have PGDP contributors who can weigh on on how similar the
processes are? Is there a way for us to actually merge workflows with
them?
Prof. Greg Crane of The
What about wikipediajr.org ?
And so we would have en.wikipediajr.org, fr.wikipediajr.org etc.
Thanks,
Pharos
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
Thanks for your very useful thoughts, Samuel. They lead us to these
two key questions:
- Create new
Samuel J Klein wrote:
Overall, we've never decided whether a simple or children's
encyclopedia should be a separate project with its own root domain,
or another set of 'languages' that show up as an interlanguage link or
as FOO.wikipedia.org .
I don't think we've even decided those are the
On 24 June 2010 15:37, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
I love those proofreading features, and the new default layout for a
book's pages and TOC. Wikisource is becoming AWESOME.
Ahem. Even more awesome, you mean. :-)
Do we have PGDP contributors who can weigh on on how similar the
I may suggest two easy ways how it may be solved technically:
* Introduction of a special namespace on a larger Wikipedia.
* Introduction of s subdomain (e.g. simple.de.wikipedia.org) with shared
admins (that should be simple with SUL).
I believe there is no need for seperate set of admins for
On 24 June 2010 15:52, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote:
What about wikipediajr.org ?
And so we would have en.wikipediajr.org, fr.wikipediajr.org etc.
Or even just a modifier -
jr.en.wikipedia.org
jr.de.wikipedia.org
...to which we could also alias simple, kinder, etc etc.
This
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 18:27:43 Nikola Smolenski написа:
Anyway, I made this so anyone who would like to experiment, can.
http://toolserver.org/~nikola/snrss.php
I see that people who tried it either haven't written any new articles
recently or have encountered a bug (on non-English
Hoi,
A great idea, but let us not forget: بسيط պարզ უბრალო פשוט 簡単な 간 단한
прост 简单 łatwy எளிய సరళమైన ง่าย or mộc mạc. We could even be bold and
have a complete URL in the scripts of these languages.. I have been in
favour for us to research this for a long time..
When you are going to
It may be relevant to note that http://wikijunior.org currently redirects
to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior .
From what I've heard, Wikijunior was supposed to become its own separate
project at some point. Now, that is Wikibooks-related and not
Wikipedia-related, but if one were looking
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Aaron Adrignola
aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote:
It may be relevant to note that http://wikijunior.org currently redirects
to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior .
From what I've heard, Wikijunior was supposed to become its own separate
project at some
2010/6/24 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
When you are going to consider simple Wikipedias for all languages, please
also consider how we will deal with different orthographies.. A child of 10
speaking Portuguese will have considerably more problems reading either the
South American
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Aaron Adrignola
aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote:
It may be relevant to note that http://wikijunior.org currently redirects
to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior .
From what I've heard, Wikijunior was supposed to become its own separate
project at some
On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I would suggest that passing a resolution that outlaws most user pages
is a bad idea.
--
geni
On 24 June 2010 19:08, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I would suggest that passing a resolution
On 06/24/2010 10:20 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I still believe such a statement imply that most of Wikisource content
will have to be deleted if remove all
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello,
Recently there has been a controversy on Wikipedia in German about
extra articles in simple language. Authors of its medical group wanted
to create sub pages suitable for children, believing in an urgent
Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 24 June 2010 19:08, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I
On 24 June 2010 19:28, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
That's the meaning, definitely, same as it was in the previous board
statement. I would observe, too, that for material on user pages, if
you're even going to ask whether it's educational, what is it going to
educate people
Victor Vasiliev wrote:
On 06/24/2010 10:20 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I still believe such a statement imply that most of Wikisource content
will
--- On Thu, 6/24/10, James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org wrote:
IME, PGDP's processes are /seriously/ heavy-weight, burning
lots of
worker time on 2nd or even 3rd-level passes, and multiple
tiers of
work (Proofreading, Formatting, and all the special
management levels
for people
On 06/24/2010 10:40 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
I recommend that people not confuse educational with pedagogical or
try to divorce its interpretation from the context of the particular
project. Historical records have educational value, for example, even
when those records are not created for
Hello Ziko, hello Milos,
some time ago, when the board was discussing about the sexual content
problems I made the following proposal. I didn't published it because I
feel it still very premature and also because I wanted to wait for the
research work that Sue should do and see what the
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
- Create new Wikipedias, or a new project: What would make sense? If
they were new Wikipedias, we would potentially double the list with
interwiki links (in other languages). I prefer a new project.
One way to
If education is learning about the world, there is essentially nothing
that can not be considered as having at least potential educational
value. There are of course different degrees of educational value,
but using it by itself as a criterion is much too simplistic. (In the
context of
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
*Earth* (or *the Earth*) is the third planet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet from the Sun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun, the fifth-largest and the densest of
the eight planets in the Solar System
Hi Milos,
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Writing dumb articles because of thinking that children are dumb is
dumb. And not just dumb, but deeply ageist and discriminatory.
I don't think that either simplified or children's projects should be
dumbed
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
finding relevant pedagogues who would lead child contributors.
That's a fine idea. Also finding active middle- and high-school
students interested in
On 24 June 2010 20:13, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
If education is learning about the world, there is essentially nothing
that can not be considered as having at least potential educational
value. There are of course different degrees of educational value,
but using it by
On 24 June 2010 19:50, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/24/2010 10:40 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
I recommend that people not confuse educational with pedagogical or
try to divorce its interpretation from the context of the particular
project. Historical records have educational
On 24 June 2010 15:04, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
- Scope and name: Maybe it would practically make no big difference
whether the project is called simple or for kids. Poor readers and
adult beginning readers (natives or not) tend to read texts that are
meant for children
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I strongly disagree. There is a big difference between simple language
and simple concepts. Children need simple concepts (basically, you
can't assume as much prior knowledge because they haven't had time to
learn
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
On 24 June 2010 15:04, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
- Scope and name: Maybe it would practically make no big difference
whether the project is called simple or for kids. Poor readers and
adult
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't have a strong background in a field then drinking from
the fire hose of full-complexity concepts is hard no matter if you are
a
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree with you. As someone who is not so far removed
from his own adolescence, I can attest that I've always found
Children's writing to be incredibly condescending and even
demeaning. Perhaps I was not a typical child, but ever since about 7
years of age I really hated
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't have a strong background in a field then drinking from
I would like to add:
The internal links used on our projects help avoid many of the
problems of not understanding something. As a 13 year old reader of
Wikipedia some seven years ago, if I did not understand something, I
could always click on the link to a page that would explain it to me.
If I
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
as if we were dumb. I have heard (and I am not an expert) from many
people the idea that you will get what you give, meaning that if you
treat an adolescent as if they were a criminal, they will often become
a criminal;
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:16 AM, James Forrester ja...@jdforrester.org wrote:
On 24 June 2010 15:37, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
I love those proofreading features, and the new default layout for a
book's pages and TOC. Wikisource is becoming AWESOME.
Ahem. Even more awesome, you
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
The fact that 10 years old child probably doesn't know what density
means, doesn't mean that she or he can't read about that on
encyclopedia.
Of course. Children who specialize in a topic often make excellent
teachers, and
--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one
Wikipedia
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:06 PM
Birgitte, what I am discussing is whether or no t I see any merit in
this idea at all. Thanks.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com
Subject: Re:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
I love those proofreading features, and the new default layout for a
book's pages and TOC. Wikisource is becoming AWESOME.
Do we have PGDP contributors who can weigh on on how similar the
processes are? Is there a way
David Gerard wrote:
On 24 June 2010 19:28, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
That's the meaning, definitely, same as it was in the previous board
statement. I would observe, too, that for material on user pages, if
you're even going to ask whether it's educational, what is it going
Michael Snow wrote:
Victor Vasiliev wrote:
On 06/24/2010 10:20 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I still believe such a statement imply that
Do u have kids?
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