Re: [Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint afeature?

2010-05-06 Thread Sue Gardner
I said something to someone in the office today, that I think might be worth sharing here. It's just an observation from my past life as a journalist, but it feels germane. In newsrooms, it is very very common for experienced senior editors to be curt and gruff --- in general, but particularly

Re: [Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint afeature?

2010-05-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Sue Gardner susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: The trick is, I think, to create a healthy mix. Wikimedia needs experienced editors who have good judgment and can recognize patterns and coach and guide the inexperienced. It also needs a regular influx of new people

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Announcement list is active

2010-05-06 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: [...] Please share other thoughts or opportunities - on the meta page or on this list. And please also encourage others to widely subscribe to this list. Post to village pumps, on projects, etc. Could someone see to hooking it up to Gmane, please?

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Announcement list is active

2010-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I learned yesterday that the announcement list should have forwarded to the foundation-l it did not work because of a configuration issue.. In future announcements will forward as it should. Thanks, GerardM On 6 May 2010 13:06, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: Jay

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Announcement list is active

2010-05-06 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: [Quoting reordered.] Please share other thoughts or opportunities - on the meta page or on this list. And please also encourage others to widely subscribe to this list. Post to village pumps, on projects, etc. Could someone see to hooking

[Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Milos Rancic
The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG is virtual reality and VR worlds will be [a significant part of] our future. Wikimedia should join FSF and Winch Gate Properties in shaping the future. [1]

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG is virtual reality and VR worlds will be [a significant part of] our future.

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you've written, but supporting open source games seems to be outside the normal scope of the WMF. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you've written, but supporting open source games seems to be outside the normal scope of the WMF. This is not about games, but about virtual reality and platform for spreading free

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread geni
On 6 May 2010 17:55, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you've written, but supporting open source games seems to be outside the normal scope of the WMF. This is not about games,

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Doubtful. Why a few turn based and real time strategy have historically spread information MMORPGs have not. Freeciv might be a better target if you want to try that. The point is that this is an engine for virtual reality, while it

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread geni
On 6 May 2010 19:00, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Doubtful. Why a few turn based and real time strategy have historically spread information MMORPGs have not. Freeciv might be a better target if you want to try that. The

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 May 2010 19:00, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:40 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Doubtful. Why a few turn based and real time strategy have historically spread information MMORPGs have not. Freeciv might be a better target if you want to try that. The

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you consider the Wikimedia movement to include translatewiki.net, we have already connections with games. We localise Freecol. While not everybody likes virtual realities, many do. As there is always a good reason to say no, there is typically also a good reason to say yes. I would

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread robert_horn...@netzero.net
-- Original Message -- From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact remains that a screen full of a text with a few relevant images is a much better way to convey information than VR. I look at comments like

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
I think the MMOEnvironment (not really a role-playing game in this context, is it?) is an interesting forum for experimentation, but non-game uses are still completely undeveloped. It's ripe for an entrepreneur, but I'm not sure what the WMF could do with such an environment. How would a vast

[Foundation-l] Chapter selected board seats - call for candidates

2010-05-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
To whom it may concern, Can you, or someone you know, help guide Wikimedia Foundation through the next exciting steps of its strategic development and growth? The Wikimedia Chapters are looking for two candidates to sit on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for 2 years commencing in

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM, robert_horn...@netzero.net robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact remains that a screen full of a text with a few

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The obvious example that comes to mind is the 3D virtual world physics as a tool for disseminating knowledge. For instance, I was looking up various model Porsche race cars the other day on Wikipedia. No amount of text can truly describe the intangible differences in control between driving a

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread geni
On 7 May 2010 03:17, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The obvious example that comes to mind is the 3D virtual world physics as a tool for disseminating knowledge. For instance, I was looking up various model Porsche race cars the other day on Wikipedia. No amount of text can truly

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread robert_horn...@netzero.net
-- Original Message -- From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Let me pose this a different way, however. Take UI entirely out of the picture - the Wikimedia Foundation is all about supporting projects that gather and create information for the public good, presenting

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:35 PM, robert_horn...@netzero.net robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: -- There was a time when the Wikimedia Foundation, or rather those involved with the various sister projects, were interested in some leading edge and bleeding edge stuff.  Considerable

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: On 7 May 2010 03:17, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The obvious example that comes to mind is the 3D virtual world physics as a tool for disseminating knowledge. For instance, I was looking up various model Porsche race cars the other day

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: 3D objects could already be supported as .blend files although we don't at this point. -- geni But not the manipulation of them in a fully interactive physics based 3d

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Tim Starling
Milos Rancic wrote: The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG is virtual reality and VR worlds will be [a significant part of] our future. Nice to see our resident futurist making some more

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 7, 2010, at 12:21 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: 3D objects could already be supported as .blend files although we don't at this point. -- geni But not the

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please stop any sarcasm. There are ideas worth the consideration, as with any newly available technological tool. We're aiming in this mailing list to shape the futur of the human knowledge through the foundation, right? So it is right to talk about

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact remains that a screen full of a text with a few relevant images is a much better way to convey information than VR. openstreetmap.org is a very good way to convey spatial

[Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for May 6

2010-05-06 Thread William Pietri
As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update. The main news is that the team had a meeting this week with Danese and Erik to discuss rollout plans. Everybody concurs that we're close enough to launch to start a few release-related activities: 1) Starting a discussion with the