Hello,
In the beginning of March 2010, a few hundreds files have been deleted
on the French Wikisource following a request from Gallimard, a leading
French publisher. [1] The Wikimedia Foundation received a request from
Editions Gallimard to takedown content from the French Wikisource.
This
Hi Eugene,
thanks for the explanation, I think the whole banning was quite justified.
But besides that, as I also asked in an earlier email, I can understand
geniice's feeling that it is unclear what the topics are (which can be
solved by an agenda as he suggests or a description of what tend to
Hoi,
The notion that French is spoken only in France is factually wrong.
Consequently the claim that French literature targets the French public is
arguably wrong as well. Either French is a world language or it is only
spoken by the French public, you cannot have it both ways.
Not only in my
Hello,
2010/6/2 Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com:
Hi!
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Just a few days before these texts were deleted, I asked Cary what was
the official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation about texts which are in
the public
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Hi all!
In advance of the Vector rollout to the remaining top ten languages,
the UX team can use some help translating some pages from the English
Wikipedia; including central notice, a local PR page, and not least, a
local feedback page.
Languages
Yann Forget writes:
In addition, I receive a personal letter, as the main editor of
these texts, according to Gallimard. We didn't receive any information
from the Wikimedia Foundation, and I know the details only because I
have been personally involved.
Yann seems to be suggesting here
I cannot see any reason to delete texts of authors who are dead more
than 70 years (the Europe-wide copyright term). There is no reason to
think that the France-only world-war-rule is compatible with European
law.
Klaus Graf
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Hello,
For part 1, see [1].
In his reply to User experience feedback [2], Howief says: the language
links were used relatively infrequently based on tracking data.
Is there any data about their usage since the switch to Vector?
[1]
Thanks MZMcBride for your note -- I absolutely sympathize with anyone who's
trying to keep up to speed on everything going on at Wikimedia. We're all
trying to strike a good balance in terms of what's useful, relevant,
interesting, and I hope we are generally getting it fairly close to correct.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hello,
For part 1, see [1].
In his reply to User experience feedback [2], Howief says: the language
links were used relatively infrequently based on tracking data.
Is there any data about their usage since
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
In his reply to User experience feedback [2], Howief says: the language
links were used relatively infrequently based on tracking data.
Hiding interlanguage links by default is simply annoying, especially
if
2010/6/2 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hello,
For part 1, see [1].
In his reply to User experience feedback [2], Howief says: the language
links were used relatively infrequently based on
2010/6/2 Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com:
Yann Forget writes:
In addition, I receive a personal letter, as the main editor of
these texts, according to Gallimard. We didn't receive any information
from the Wikimedia Foundation, and I know the details only because I
have been personally
Hoi,
When I read: Wikisource content in the French language targets the French
public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the
copyright law of France applies to this content. I do read the French
public. Wikisource does not target the French public per se.
Thanks,
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
Who cares if people click them a lot? The space they formally
occupied is filled with nothing now.
Interface clutter is not psychologically free. Empty space is better
than space filled with mostly-useless controls.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote
I didn't know you narrowed Gallimard's takedown demand. AFAIK you
never informed me nor Wikisource about this.
We cannot inform you about all the details communicated in an ongoing
negotiation with parties threatening us
I would like to know as follows
* the data mentioned
* differences between language groups: does every language group use
interlanguage links rarely or some of them use it often? For instance,
in a small wikis?
* Is there any way to choose if those hiding-by-default boxes are
visible by user
It's a shame that exchanges like this end up as back-and-forth
arguments, instead of normal discussions.
I think the Foundation should be as open as possible with project
communities about legal action, even if in some cases that poses an
obstacle to negotiation. The spectre of legal jeopardy can
Hoi,
Thanks for a nice and adequate response.
GerardM
On 3 June 2010 00:04, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard writes:
Hoi,
When I read: Wikisource content in the French language targets the
French
public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard writes:
Hoi,
When I read: Wikisource content in the French language targets the French
public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the
copyright law of France applies to this content. I do read
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer.
If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will
take OFFICE ACTION.
It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't
protectable according German copyright law but WMF has done so.
It
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I've been watching the dialogues between the WMF and this mailing list
for a while now and most of the conflicts are the same: bad
communication. This is apparently not due to individuals but institutional.
I'm still ignorant of many aspects of the
On 3 June 2010 00:13, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote:
It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't
protectable according German copyright law but WMF has done so.
Of course it is lawful for the WMF to remove something from a WMF
site. It may not be legally
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On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, George Herbert wrote:
The appropriate response to this might be a Quebec Wikisource project
(or, pick another French-speaking location, with a very non-French
copyright policy which is more friendly to us in this
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote:
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer.
If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will
take OFFICE ACTION.
It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote:
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer.
If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will
take OFFICE ACTION.
It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo
Hoi,
The question is not so much what you believe but very much the reputation Mr
Godwin has. In my appreciation he has an excellent reputation based on the
many relevant jobs that he has had in the past. There are not many people
who are associated with a law that is named after them.
When you
Klaus Graf writes:
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer.
I certainly don't require that you believe I'm a good lawyer. I'd be a very
poor lawyer indeed, however, if I invited publishers to embroil us in
expensive copyright lawsuits that we might not win when
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
What harm do you foresee in replacing deleted pages with a declaration like
YouTube uses, This Video has been deleted
based on a copyright claim by The Disney Corporation ? And then an
extension of If you believe this is public
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
You can attempt a weighted cost comparison: Num_interwiki_users *
Cost_of_hiding vs Everyone_else * Cost_of_clutter. But even
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
What harm do you foresee in replacing deleted pages with a declaration like
YouTube uses, This Video has been deleted
based on a copyright claim by The Disney
Sorry for not saving the previous text, formatting was getting to be a
bit of a mess.
I do see that the page Yann linked to was created around the same time
action was taken, by Cary, and lists the reason for the deletions and
the content deleted. I'll assume this page was linked in several other
I hope you don't think that an individual contacting a company is going to do
anything to change their minds about what is perceived about their frivolous
claim.
You didn't address my extension of that notice which would read something like
If you believe this material IS in the public
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From: Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:54 pm
Subject: [Foundation-l] Office action
It is a shame that WMF hasn't a policy of TRANSPARENCY regarding
office actions. The right of the community to
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is this probable? What are people's reasons for using interlanguage
links? How many people miss them now that they're collapsed -- among
the readership as a whole, not the
Hi folks,
Forwarding from the announce list, since it does not yet auto-forward :-)
Thanks,
Sue
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org
Date: 2 June 2010 19:08
Subject: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief
Community Officer
To:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Finally as it seems to be necessary to understand Latin in order to read
your rant, I want to use that language with Cave canum. What I know of
that language is thanks to those fine Gauls immortalised by Underzo and
Goscinny. Brassica is translated in apekool in my
Sending this separately so it isn't in the hiring announcement thread :) Per
Ignore All Rules (which I guess doesn't really exist here so I'm ignoring
it's absence to) I went ahead and subscribed foundation-l to
WikimediaAnnouncements-l . So assuming the list admins are getting a click
here to
On 2 June 2010 19:35, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote:
Sending this separately so it isn't in the hiring announcement thread :) Per
Ignore All Rules (which I guess doesn't really exist here so I'm ignoring
it's absence to) I went ahead and subscribed foundation-l to
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On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
I am really happy to announce two important new Wikimedia Foundation
hires. Zack Exley will be Wikimedia's new Chief Community Officer,
and Barry Newstead will be our Chief Global Development Officer.
hmm very weird, I would assume it should say you are already subscribed or
something along those lines as well.. oh well hopefully we can fix it
eventually so that I don't have to subscribe to both to satisfy my desire to
know right away ;).
James Alexander
james.alexan...@rochester.edu
Mike.lifeguard wrote:
On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
During the hiring process, Zack pointed out to me that the CDO job as
then-structured didn't support that vision. He argued that by siloing
off donors into a separate department, we were making it more
difficult to achieve
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I am really happy to announce two important new Wikimedia Foundation
hires. Zack Exley will be Wikimedia's new Chief Community Officer,
and Barry Newstead will be our Chief Global Development Officer. Both
will start
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:49 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
The appropriate response to this might be a Quebec Wikisource project
(or, pick another French-speaking location, with a very non-French
copyright policy which is more friendly to us in this circumstance).
The hope
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
We cannot inform you about all the details communicated in an ongoing
negotiation with parties threatening us with litigation. Apart from whether
doing so would be consistent with legal ethics, it would also provide a
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:56 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Do we really want every contributor to be an expert in the copyright laws of
any particular nation that might have a company exerting some obscure claim?
We want every contributor who is going to be submitting non-original
content
On 3 June 2010 00:13, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote:
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer.
If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will
take OFFICE ACTION.
It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which
On 3 June 2010 00:54, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, it is correct that I will comply with a DMCA (or equivalent) takedown
notice. In this respect, I'm like just about every lawyer everywhere who
represents a service provider. Perhaps they are all bad lawyers, but at
least I'm in
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds like you are suggesting that there is ongoing dialog between
WMF and Gallimard.. ?
There is not.
And what is the process _after_ the takedown?
The takedown is normally the end of the process. Unless you
@Sue: Announce would be a restricted list most likley, so it probably
bounced, hence why you didn't see it.
@James: Do we really need this? Announce is/should be apparently set
to forward any announcements as necessary already via the MM admin
interface, although when the previous announcements
Hello,
2010/6/3 Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yann suggests that he (and the Wikisource community) did not know
about the takedown in a timely manner; anyone not watching the files
or the deletion logs might have missed it if
2010/6/3 Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com:
2. Is there on-going negotiations with Gallimard?
Forget about that. I just read your mail after sending mine.
Regards,
Yann
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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:13 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
@James: Do we really need this? Announce is/should be apparently set
to forward any announcements as necessary already via the MM admin
interface, although when the previous announcements were sent it was
still a
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org
Date: 2 June 2010 19:08
Subject: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief
Community Officer
To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi folks,
I am really happy to announce two
Ahh this is what I was looking for
http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1048#QID132 (at
least us legal requirements for a counter notice) and their counter-notice
generator http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf that may help
you at least start
James Alexander
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