On 5 June 2010 02:03, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Usability team discussed this issue at length this afternoon. We
listened closely to the feedback and have come up with solution which we
hope will work for everyone. It's not a perfect solution, but we think
it's a reasonable
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think if you look at what we did with regard to the Gallimard takedowns...
Going back to the original issue regarding communication, the
appearance of Mike on this thread shows me that this mailing list is
one good way to
Hello,
Could someone please explain the following from this page:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf
1. What does it mean that I consent to accept service of process from
the party who submitted the take-down notice?
2. In the phrase Each of those works were removed in error and
Thirded.
Waerth
Or you could simply restore the one-line code modification that
provided the default behavior requested by the community (pending
evidence that an alternative setup is beneficial).
Seconded. Just bring them back already. This is an imaginary problem
you've come up
On 4 June 2010 21:21, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
They especially don't complain about things like clutter, because the
negative effect that has is barely perceptible -- extra effort
required to find things.
I've encountered many complaints about clutter at the English
Hi all,
thank you for your summary, Guillaume. I would like to add to this a
question based on Jon's insightful email:
the research you did on clicks etc, was apparently only on the English
Wikipedia. Would it be an option to first do more research on how the links
are used on the other
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Thank you for your opinions. I'd like to clarify my criticism. What Mike
has done and is doing is honorable; he's dedicating efforts and patience
to the community. He has nothing to do with my questioning.
What I see is that WMF doesn't always
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:30 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Howie Fung wrote:
While we did not explicitly test for this during our usability studies
(e.g., it wasn't included as a major design question), we did exercise
judgement in identifying this as a problem, based partly on
Austin Hair wrote:
And yes, I'll echo others when I question the original rationale and
suggest that the interpretation of what very little data was collected
is completely wrong, but I think I'll direct my focus toward a
practical fix, rather than just calling the usability team stupid.
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Austin Hair wrote:
And yes, I'll echo others when I question the original rationale and
suggest that the interpretation of what very little data was collected
is completely wrong, but I think I'll direct my focus toward
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 13:19, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi all,
thank you for your summary, Guillaume. I would like to add to this a
question based on Jon's insightful email:
the research you did on clicks etc, was apparently only on the English
Wikipedia. Would it be an
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Could someone please explain the following from this page:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf
1. What does it mean that I consent to accept service of process from
the party who submitted the
Here's my attempt at trying to answer these.
Yann Forget wrote:
Hello,
Could someone please explain the following from this page:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf
1. What does it mean that I consent to accept service of process from
the party who submitted the take-down
Hello,
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-June/
Why is there no message after Thu Jun 3 06:59:53 UTC 2010?
Thanks,
Yann
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Sorry for top-posting.
Austin, think about who everyone is. The folks here on foundation-l are not
representative of readers. The job of the user experience team is to try to
balance all readers' needs, which is not easy, and will sometimes involve
making decisions that not everyone agrees
On 5 June 2010 19:03, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Austin, think about who everyone is. The folks here on foundation-l are
not representative of readers. The job of the user experience team is to try
to balance all readers' needs, which is not easy, and will sometimes involve
making
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:03 AM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for top-posting.
Austin, think about who everyone is. The folks here on foundation-l are
not representative of readers. The job of the user experience team is to try
to balance all readers' needs,
Sue, not personal,
Well, I would have liked to mean, English speaking people is only 2/60
global population, it would be obvious though, I'd like to give a stat
collection.
Cheers,
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:03 AM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry
On 5 June 2010 19:40, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the good reason usability team thought data from English
Wikipedia visitors' behaviors and alone were enough to design for all
other 200+ languages' readership? It looks me an obvious mistake in
opposition of your statement.
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for top-posting.
Austin, think about who everyone is. The folks here on foundation-l are
not representative of readers. The job of the user
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I was alarmed when I heard the click rates: 1%. That's an enormous
number of clicks, considerably higher than I expected with the large
number of things available for folks to click on. To hear that it
went down considerably with Vector—well, if nothing else, it is a
The original intent of the UX team, as I understand it, was to help
readers find essential (frequently clicked) elements in the navigation
more easily by collapsing less essential ones.
It has been legitimately argued that the language links are essential
for many users, even if the click rate is
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
In short, there is little reason for a sophisticated user to complain
about this for their own benefit.
I think the people here are speaking up for the sake of the readers,
and for the sake of preserving the best of
+1. I must admit I have been a bit surprised/shocked/irritated by the
tone of the comments from some of those involved with the usability
initiative. I always thought that Wikimedia valued community
decision-making, but now I'm being told that my feedback is greatly
appreciated and will be taken
The foundation's programmers have the technical power to define the
experience of all aspects of the site however they please. They cannot
be prevented from having this power, but they nonetheless must not
use it, except for the most mundane details of day to day maintenance.
Their role is to
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-June/
Why is there no message after Thu Jun 3 06:59:53 UTC 2010?
Thanks,
Yann
See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/48380
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
In this discussion we don't merely have personal preferences, we're
arguing principles of design and hypothesizing benefit for the
readers. And, excluding the foundation staff, we appear to have a
broad, if not complete,
I used the interwiki links all the time in this manner at work, and still do.
It was one of the things that turned me on to Wikipedia and caused me to start
contributing, and eventually to register an account.
As others have said, if the interwiki links had not been visible by default, I
6 message on the mailinglist, could we make a announcement or something?
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Gregory Maxwell writes:
Imagine that someone cleaning your office took your important
paperwork and dumped it in a bin. You complain— Hey we need that
stuff to be accessible! and they retort Thank you for your
_feedback_. We'll consider it during our future cleaning plans.
We're not just
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:20 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
Who cares if people click them a lot? The space they formally
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, this.
The list of available languages is a key part of a page, not a
navigation nicety.
They used to be available at the top of an article by default, until
that started taking up a few inches of screen space across
With all of the translations of Wikipedia content happening through
Google's Translation Toolkit, we are building up a nice set of
{strings and their translations} in many languages. The data that
comes from translatin Wikimedia content is all theoretically available
under our free license... but
Greg,
This makes two home runs in one month -- you get a prize.
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Austin, think about who everyone is. The folks here on foundation-l are
not
Okay, so from my perspective, here's where we are:
The WMF staff cares about the projects and we respect the work that they do.
Additionally, they do a much better job than the other top...well, one
hundred websites in the world in communicating with their volunteers and
their userbase. The
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