Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:32 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, 'cos that worked so well applied to de:wp. You do realise this has become a toxic electoral issue for the board, with people who voted twice for the resolution now backpedalling? Wait ... so you're saying that the

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Symonds
I'd just like to echo NYB here. I'm dissappointed that so many of our community are taking such a view. Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and Wales,

[Foundation-l] Invitations for Linkdin

2012-03-05 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello all, It came to my attention that people are using wikimedia mailing lists as there primary contact adres for Linkdin. I guess that this is not the way it should be done. Today I found: Felix Reolon using wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org as there primary e-mail. i don't know him, but I'm

Re: [Foundation-l] Invitations for Linkdin

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Symonds
Wasn't he at Gdansk? Conducting the orchestra? Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor,

[Foundation-l] Author Wikimedia Foundation at BarnesNobles shop on Nook

2012-03-05 Thread RYU Cheol
Hi, all! I searched Wikimedia Foundation by chance and a lot of Wikibooks, possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is Wikimedia Foundation. I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented that

[Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Symonds
Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Any ideas what the copyright status of this should be? Does the author

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
The cake designer can only release his/her part of the creative process under a free license (baking the cake/making the photo). I would suggest to just specifiy that the logo-part is copyright WMF, the photographic and cake-baking component to be released under CC-BY (not -SA to avoid the SA

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing Noopur Raval as Consultant, Wikimedia Foundation (India Program, Communications)

2012-03-05 Thread Hisham
cross-posting; apologies if you have already read this from another list. hisham Begin forwarded message: From: Hisham his...@wikimedia.org Subject: Announcing Noopur Raval as Consultant, Wikimedia Foundation (India Program, Communications) Date: March 5, 2012 7:19:05 PM GMT+05:30 To:

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not Foundation) matters

2012-03-05 Thread Nathan
I think wikimedia-l would work fine and make sense. We probably don't need an additional list, a lot of the lists we have now are lightly used. I appreciate that Erik unsubscribed from internal-l. I think more people should do the same thing, on the principle that discussions about the Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not Foundation) matters

2012-03-05 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
Just because the list moderators don't publicly come down like a ton of bricks on every conversation that gets lively does not mean that we are absentee. Speaking for myself only, I'll conceed that I have intervened little in recent times, but that has because I have felt little need to do so. In

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 05:03, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry to say that unless you are prepared to put your foot down, and represent the tens of thousands of people who expressed their views in the

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia France position on fundraising

2012-03-05 Thread Florence Devouard
Please find on Wikimedia France position regarding chapter fundraising in France in the coming years. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_France/Fundraising_letter_March_2012 Please keep feedback and comments for meta rather than lists. Thanks Florence

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Niabot has just come up with what I think is a great idea for addressing the search problem you mention in your postscript. He's proposed a clustered search function. (Anybody remember Vivísimo?) This could not just

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:07 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the record, not sure where you got voted twice... There's been one vote on each resolution. And it was not raised as an electoral issue. I think that's a little unfair to people (including myself) who are

[Foundation-l] WikiWorldDays and multi-events

2012-03-05 Thread Pharos
Hi folks, I've started this page to help list the various themed multi-event campaigns that have been popping up around the Wikimedia universe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWorldDays Not sure if it's the best name, I was also thinking WikiSpring, or WikiSeason, or WikiWhatnot.

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2012 17:07, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: You do realise this has become a toxic electoral issue for the board, with people who voted twice for the resolution now backpedalling? Just for the record,

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiWorldDays and multi-events

2012-03-05 Thread Juliana da Costa José
You shoud move the site to Meta. :) Best Juliana 2012/3/5 Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com Hi folks, I've started this page to help list the various themed multi-event campaigns that have been popping up around the Wikimedia universe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread geni
On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work,

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Keating
Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? No but if they put it on permanent display in a public place the photo would probably be totally fine under UK freedom of panorama law. I suspect a court would hold that the set of

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2012 20:22, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Mike Christie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. You mean we can't have

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Mike Christie coldchr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph

Re: [Foundation-l] Author Wikimedia Foundation at BarnesNobles shop on Nook

2012-03-05 Thread RYU Cheol
You can find that at this link. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689itm=1usri=wikimedia+foundation I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially. But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-03-05 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I'd just like to echo NYB here. I'm dissappointed that so many of our community are taking such a view. Richard Symonds Office  Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 One more echo from

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France position on fundraising

2012-03-05 Thread Arne Klempert
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Please find on Wikimedia France position regarding chapter fundraising in France in the coming years. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_France/Fundraising_letter_March_2012 Chers amis de Wikimedia France,

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread geni
On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. Well you say that but slices of

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from

Re: [Foundation-l] Author Wikimedia Foundation at BarnesNobles shop on Nook

2012-03-05 Thread Sarah
I also wish the Wikimedia Foundation would do something about these books. Here is one by me, or by Wikipedia, but NOT by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome (Editor), and John McBrewster (Editor).

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. No dia 5 de Março de 2012 23:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com escreveu: On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. If you take a slice out of the cake, that could be an issue

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Michael Peel
Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it can be filed under WP:SILLY? Thanks, Mike On 5 Mar 2012, at 23:23, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Mike Christie
You're right, the topic is done. Filing it under WP:SILLY would be the icing on the cake. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 05.03.2012 19:21, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: I agree you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, and you have my sympathy. However, I would like you to consider what our users get when they do a Multimedia search for male human in Wikipedia:

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2012 18:21, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: There are people in this movement who are happy with this status quo, and who say they will fork if anything changes. Let them. You have that backwards. You are demanding the board enact something precisely because the

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread phoebe ayers
Hi David, On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 17:07, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: You do realise this has become a toxic electoral issue for the board, with

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:41 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 18:21, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: There are people in this movement who are happy with this status quo, and who say they will fork if anything changes. Let them. You have that backwards. You

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: However, you are convinced that filtering is the key to far greater usefulness to, and acceptance by, the public. This suggests that what you should do is start a fork, filtered according to your vision. If you are correct that this is what the public really wants,

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I personally think on the issue at all, as I often explicitly ignored speculation about my own personal views or motivations whether it was right or wrong. I *have*

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I personally think on the issue at all, as I often explicitly ignored speculation about my own

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:07 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: ... You do realise this has become a toxic electoral issue for the board, with people who voted twice for the resolution now backpedalling? ... And it

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I personally think on the issue at all, as I often explicitly ignored speculation about my own

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing Noopur Raval as Consultant, Wikimedia Foundation (India Program, Communications)

2012-03-05 Thread Liam Wyatt
Congratulations Noopur! Your work with GLAM in India over the last year has been fantastic, so I can only expect you'll be doing great things in this new role too :-) I'm looking forward to seeing the results of what you'll be doing. -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On 5 March

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:32 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, there are surely more interesting things to talk about -- like search! Let's talk about search. I am 100% in favor of better commons search :) Can you get a developer to provide us with some feedback on

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: You also stated in another discussion that the sexuality related categories and images are also very popular among our readers and that the current practices would make it a porn site. Not that we are such

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:41 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 18:21, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: There are people in this movement who are happy with this status quo, and who say they will fork if anything changes. Let them. There has never been a genuine

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:32 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I personally think on