t do that, then it should not make
itself an obstacle to creating a Wikimedia Boston or Philadelphia when
the time comes.
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ople were in Europe or in Asia, then that might be a
reason to have two chapters there.
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e either aspect. Asserting
certain "rights" makes no sense unless you can articulate the
corresponding responsibilities you've assumed and how you're fulfilling
those. In this I speak as much about individuals (those claiming
entitlements on-wiki) as about the chapters. Focusing
for ourselves a rule
against pointing to the web from print. (Or vice versa, for those people
who think Wikipedia citations have to be to something available online.)
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Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Milos Rancic wrote:
>>
>>> * If it is about printed work, it should point at least to the
>>> appropriate printed work. It is really not any kind of reasonable
>>>
Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid I simply don't understand what you're trying to say, then. It
>> sounded like you were talking about having one document (web, print,
>> whatever medium) point t
t's not punish print for the faults of
the internet. You would almost think that some people are trying to
ensure that their contributions can only ever be reused as online text,
which is of course contrary to the purpose of free licensing. Nobody yet
has found the perfect
opinion that a license a license without any vagueness
>> or debatable terms is such a rarity that I don't think I've ever seen
>> one.
>>
> It it did exist, it would be several volumes long.
>
Not at all, length just introduces more room for ambiguity.
r, but setting more realistic goals for it. While I can't
say exactly offhand what the accounting mechanics will be, the lease
should have no negative effect, either on our ability to execute the
usability grant as intended, or on the use of unrestricted donations for
the normal purposes of th
t on public relations or fundraising generally -
if there are donors or media professionals who don't believe Erik's
explanation (even without any evidence to the contrary), I'll be happy
to discuss it with them.
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connections to Wikia. But I'm persuaded that it is the right choice for
Wikimedia as a business decision, and our responsibility is to make such
choices, not avoid them in deference to those who will believe the worst.
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Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Requirements like that (the US used to
>> require a copyright notice) have been stripped away as an unreasonable
>> burden on authors.
>>
> I don't think that that was the reason. The publishers woul
=history."
(Where "current version" means whatever revision is being reproduced.
The language could easily be tweaked for derivative works.) Then if
there are any questions, people can refer to, examine, and potentially
improve the tool.
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> encyclopedia, always updated in real time (e.g. the article "Giorgio
> Napolitano" improved by his staff), very useful for every writer".
>
> The award consists in a parchment and a 5000€ cheque.
>
Felicitazioni alla Wikipedia in italiano!
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rather than the solution.
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Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Marc Riddell wrote:
>>
>>> It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model.
>>> The question is: are the other Projects even listening?
>>>
>> What are
gt;>> On February, 4th, all articles of the german WP had at least one
>>> sighted revision. Since then, only pages newly created by noneditors
>>> have to be looked at.
>>>
>> So IPs can create articles on de?
>>
> Yes, I think
rns that have been mentioned about vandalism, but
that's why I mention it in the context of flagged revisions. We operate
on a fundamental premise that anyone should be able to edit. Sometimes
checks and filters are appropriate to help prevent ha
on, it's
just that this is a good time to also foster discussion on the issue.
As to the vote, my understanding is that we needed to sort out the
timing because of the plan to have it administered by an external body.
I'm not su
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/2/18 Michael Snow :
>
>> We do still plan to have a survey, although I don't think it's critical
>> that it precede the vote. The point of the survey is in particular to
>> get some more information that would help work out details
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/2/18 Michael Snow :
>
>> That's why we made it a point to include some attribution standards in
>> the proposal, so that we don't vote on this in a vacuum.
>>
> I don't believe I've seen a formal proposal yet - d
put the general issue of biographies on the board's
next agenda, for what that's worth. Though as I say, there's no simple
blanket solution, and I don't know if we can promise anything beyond
more discussion and more awareness of the issues.
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it or not. Anyway, I'm
looking forward to Wikimania, and seeing any of you that are able to
make it.
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of
April regardless. That would still allow outside parties three months
for whatever processes they need to make their decisions. I know it
would always be nice to have more time, but delays will always expand to
fill the space available, so deadline pressure is not a bad thing.
--Michael S
ovide the context to actually understand the controversy, probably
giving it distorted emphasis, and possibly lacking the material to treat
the person as the subject of an independent article. Quite often, of
course, the back-and-forth in that section ends up
, unless
consensus to keep" is a good idea for living subjects. I would add that
when this is in question, arguments that make excuses for the current
state of the article are not valid reasons to keep it.
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David Gerard wrote:
> Michael, is there any reason not to put Anthony on moderation?
>
Actually, the problem is the thread, which is a complaint about Wikia
practices that is off-topic for this list. Anthony didn't start the
discussion, it's the thread that should be moder
umanities, as it's more in
the realm of the social sciences.
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me to the questions that we need to answer: What kind of training
is needed, how can the Wikimedia Foundation help assemble it, and what
is the most effective way to disseminate it?
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privilege and wealth. My sense is that people producing offline media
don't complain much about being "forced" to provide URLs. Instead it's
the people fully invested in the online world complaining when other
media can't ful
#x27;t acceptable sources for Wikipedia articles because you can't
check them by following a hyperlink, it's the same logic. We allow
references that adapt the conventions of other media to our context, we
should allow people using other media the same pr
Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Anthony wrote:
>>
>>>> a) a link (URL) to the history page of the article
>>>> or other page that contains the authorship
>>>> information of the articles
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> It is just your opinion that they have over-attributed; my opinion is that
> their way of attribution is reasonable.
>
Just because one method is reasonable does not mean that all others are
unreasonable.
--Mic
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Дана Friday 20 March 2009 06:59:35 Michael Snow написа:
>
>> Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>>
>>> It is just your opinion that they have over-attributed; my opinion is
>>> that their way of attribution is reasonable.
>>>
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Дана Friday 20 March 2009 23:11:17 Michael Snow написа:
>
>> By comparison, Erik only said that people had over-attributed
>> historically. He didn't say it was unreasonable of them to
>> over-attribute, nor do I think that shou
collect,
develop and disseminate educational material, and make it available to
people everywhere, free of charge, in perpetuity.
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Michael Snow wrote:
> The Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation invites the Wikimedia
> community to vote on this proposal to license Wikimedia material so it
> is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license
> (CC-BY-SA), while retaining dual licens
eshold was just changed from 10 to 25 (still pretty low) by
Erik, maybe he can explain the thinking behind that, as I wasn't aware
of that decision.
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re
logo-like benefits, while dropping the appearance of game pieces. As I'm
not a graphic designer, I'm not going to attempt to actually create the
logo, but I would be very interested to see what someone with
professional skills could come up w
Milos Rancic wrote:
> Encarta is dead [1]. Anyone willing to talk with Microsoft about
> getting materials for Wikipedia?
>
> [1] - http://encarta.msn.com/guide_page_FAQ/FAQ.html
>
There's already some effort being made by the Communications Committee
to reach
m. I
don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I
hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news
reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans
from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirem
self.
Since watchlists are often used for other broad notifications, could we
get Wikimania put on there so that word can still get out while we run
the licensing vote?
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Casey Brown wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Since watchlists are often used for other broad notifications, could we
>> get Wikimania put on there so that word can still get out while we run
>> the licensing vote?
>>
> No
y previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know
that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are
worth fixing.
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this circumstance, with apologies to those who have dismissed the notice
after voting already.
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ted out earlier, this
does not mean there's a duty to investigate, just that we should act
appropriately when infringements are discovered.
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mission we share.
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ed with their work.
So, I'm pleased to report that the Wikimedia Foundation is in a solid
position in its employment practices. I expect that as a result, we will
be able to maintain an excellent staff that continues to accomplish far
more than you would normally
biographies of living persons,
and the strategic plan is a continuing topic from the previous board
meeting, but I neglected to put them all together for you.
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>
STO as in "stocks"?
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Brianna Laugher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think the Board's statement is quite commendable if unremarkable
> (which is I guess part of the reason for the silence - nothing new,
> which is as it should be!). Only one comment actually surprised me.
>
> 2009/4/21 Michael Sn
I can tell, runs through the culture of
all our projects.
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register and protect the Wikimedia marks, develop a set of policies and
practices, and develop a strategy to allow uses by the chapters and
community for activities in line with the Wikimedia mission.
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ther art appearing on
their site in the meantime. I was mildly amused that one of the
"sources" on their wiki page drew a comparison between the project and
Andrew Keen, which I suppose fits in with the performance art concept
pretty well.
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David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/4/23 Michael Snow :
>
>> It's basically proven by the notable lack of other art appearing on
>> their site in the meantime. I was mildly amused that one of the
>> "sources" on their wiki page drew a comparison between the proj
we believe that people who want to have a
voice in the process, should be heard.
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syr...@gmx.de wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> As I've alluded to a few times, I've been working with Sue to start a
>> long-term strategic planning process. This was a major topic of our last
>>
> [...]
>
>> The principles guiding thi
d framework of
the project: essentially, which strategic questions require the most
focus. You will hear more about this, and I will be asking for your
views, as we begin to make progress.
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Wikimedia licensing terms updated and terms of use implemented
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of their contribution to the process. So let me conclude by thanking
everyone who participated in the process, including especially all of
you who voted.
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y express an opinion on anything! It'd be worth
> figuring out why the vote was successful, if possible (long period of
> voting? ubiquitous sitenotices? Important topic? Lots of outside
> interest?)
>
Deliberately low threshold for eligibility.
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Welcome, Arne! I look forward to working with you. Thanks to the
chapters for their confidence in us.
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Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> As you may recall the board was restructured last year around this
> time. At that time we asked the chapters t
st in collecting aggregated information that would not violate the
privacy policy, should be directed to request and help with internal
solutions, kept within appropriate limits to comply with the policy.
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> As I understand it, nobody is arguing that it's considered acceptable at
>> this point.
>>
> Peter Gervai seemed to argue exactly that, unless I badly misread him:
>
>
>
address privacy issues. If Brion or Tim or Domas
identify an issue, they don't need to run to Mike every time to check
that it really is something that should be addressed.
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Brian wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>>> The dataset you need to train an OCR system to be as good as theirs is
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> raw images and the plain text. They aren't making it easy to ge
S doesn't handle only commons.
>
> This meant wikipedia's text
>
Text may not be GFDL-only at this point.
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y a combination of common and proper nouns. Thus, I might
refer to "the Encyclopedia Britannica" because it's "the encyclopedia"
and "Britannica" identifies which encyclopedia I mean.
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in Africa, China, Australia and elsewhere
>> would be a good place to start.
>>
> You're going to have to explain that one... what is wrong with the
> current English-language teaching in Australia?
>
Maybe Henry Higgins could answer that.
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t all licenses to use that
first copy expire at this time and require destruction of all
outstanding versions. Then you can have everybody re-up for another round.
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for archival holdings.
>
Indeed, this issue for Wikisource is a parallel to that of public domain
art for Wikimedia Commons. Properly speaking, I would not consider
something an archive if it is not accessible. For collections that are
not available for study, the more correct term would
t traveling to Buenos
Aires, but I'm glad that the Wikimania team is staying on top of this
issue and keeping us informed.
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applied to radically different contexts it will still be free in the
dogmatic sense, but it may no longer be all that useful.
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> I cannot fathom why you would limit media to being released only under
>> the GFDL unless it was designed specifically for incorporation into a
>> GFDL work. It's a do
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Marco Chiesa wrote:
>>
>>> Commons accepts materials that are free according to
>>> http://freedomdefined.org/Definition GFDL works fall within that
>>> definition, so they're free.
and consumers respond to
that is their business. So I won't presume to express an opinion right
now on how Apple should run its business, or whether anybody should do
business with them.
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seriously, I'm not sure the issue is that critical, but we'll certainly
take the feedback into consideration as the organizational structure of
the technical team gets defined more clearly.
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e work that was done. From the board's perspective, she does keep us
informed of developments outside the monthly reports as well, so we
remain able to exercise our oversight responsibilities, but I would
agree that these monthly summaries are very helpful.
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's a pretty common attitude at the highest levels of sport where so
much is tied to contests as media properties. Similar issues have come
up in football (soccer), baseball, basketball, and golf - to mention
only those where I know of specific instances off the top of my head.
Anybody wan
hat shapes our discussion, although obviously
this won't be the last chance to participate in the process overall.
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Philippe Beaudette wrote:
> Correction - this will be at #wikimedia-strategicplan
>
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>
tly
involved in.
For the English language, I think the underlying problem is a bit
different. Often we native English speakers never really learn any other
language, and by reason of not learning how things are framed in
comparison, end up neglecting the quality of our own language, though we
u
is
leaving us, Kat was chosen for that role. I'm excited about working with
them and the rest of the board over the coming year.
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board. I know that he was looking forward to getting to know people from
the community at Wikimania, though.
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meetings to provide information. But it would be totally abdicating our
responsibilities for us to call on that expertise in order to review the
work they themselves did.
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/8/27 Michael Snow :
>
>> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>
>>>> The best examples you can see are Stu West and Jan-Bard de
>>>> Vreede. Stu with his technical and financial expertise is simply there,
>>>> in every m
ing at each other,
acknowledge that it's unhealthy for either of them to be so
disproportionately represented, and focus their energies on recruiting
more people who add real cognitive diversity. That's part of what the
board and the foundation are trying to do in the context of the
stra
Peter Damian wrote:
> Hoping I am not straying too far off-topic.
You are. Are the Citizendium forum and mailing lists so completely dead
that issues with its articles cannot be discussed there?
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not just Wikipedia.)
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x27;s a very good concept to try out. I'm excited that Zack is putting
those ideas into practice and I look forward to seeing the work of
Steven and future fellows.
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house style in the other direction. Another manifestation is that it's
probably a bigger challenge for experts in the humanities, broadly
speaking, to persuasively overcome objections from the uninformed. It's
easier for someone to be obtuse and stubbornly fight ideas that are
generally accepted, something that for scientific questions shows up
primarily in the biggest-picture contexts where no one expert can
demonstrate or defend every last conclusion, topics like evolution or
global warming.
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ot; status
largely because of the connotations of the name. This despite the fact
that I feel reasonably capable of navigating most bureaucracies (a skill
that has far more to do with whether someone can "appreciate"
bureaucracy than their nationality).
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duel about the significance of a set of
polling statistics. It's like having politicians decide how to govern
entirely based on opinion polls.
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> On 28 September 2010 18:58, Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Michael Snow>> We would be better off with more people working
>>> seriously to figure out the best answers to the issues this feature
>>>
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