Re: [Foundation-l] Multiplayer High

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> I would like to repeat that we need to think about this:
> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/28/flux.html
>
>
Of course, there is a lot of parallels between  the Wikipedia environment,
MMOs and Virtual Worlds - and Wikipedia is something like a stripped down,
text only variant of the former and the latter, full of individual quests,
virtual  friends/enemies and  problems/solutions. And when a wikipedian
stops learning, (s)he leaves. The real question is what to do about it.

For example, do we need a presence in Second Life so players can refer to
Wikipedia without leaving the game?

Victoria
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia, the Pedia that used to be a Wiki

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Theo,

I don't know why you are seeing an indeterminedly old version, you may try
to clean up your cache (=purge in the web address of your browser).
May be I didn't make myself clear enough: Flagged Revvs doesn't require to
wait for anything, you can only see the patrolling interface because you are
a registered user. If you were a reader accessing RuWiki from an IP you
wouldn't  even have known that there is a patrolled or unpatrolled version,
you'd just have seen the corrected coordinates.

You can compare Flagged Revvs to Soviet Union, after all,  Jaron Lanier is
sure that all wikipedians are "digital maoists" but there is a consensus in
the  RuWiki Community  that Flagged Revvs do more good then harm and it is a
step toward a better Wikipedia. Sorry, but I don't see how using a
non-wikimedia software and a cache version of a random page, which everybody
sees differently, proves anything.

Regards

Victoria



2011/1/5 Teofilo 

> 2011/1/4, Виктория :
> > it had been patrolled  = [отпатрулированная версия] anyway.
>
> What about the message "Стабильная версия была проверена 28 сентября
> 2010. 1 изменение ожидает проверки." which is written now at the top
> of the history tab (1), and google-translates into English as "Stable
> version was tested on Sept. 28, 2010. 1, the change is awaiting
> moderation" ?
>
> (1)
> http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA)&action=history<http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD_%28%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%29&action=history>
>
> I have visited Russia only once in my life. It was a long time ago at
> the time of the USSR. I was making a long flight from Japan to Poland,
> and had to stop overnight at a hotel inside Moscow airport. Although I
> enjoyed the food, the beverage, the kindness of the stewardess, the
> landscapes with snow, lakes, forests inside the airplane, I disliked
> my stay at Moscow airport because people kept me waiting without
> telling why or how long. I think this is what Wikimedia is looking
> like with the so-called "flagged revisions" software : the USSR.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia, the Pedia that used to be a Wiki

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Greetings  Teofilo,

Although RuWiki uses Flagged revisions, in most of the articles all changes
are "go live" immediately and this is true for Пьерфон (замок). Thank you
for your edit
http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD_%28%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%29&action=historysubmit&diff=30694643&oldid=28135989,

it had been patrolled  = [отпатрулированная версия] anyway.

Victoriq

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Teofilo  wrote:

> The other day, I read the [[:en:Wikileaks]] article on Wikipedia. What
> it said was, more or less, that Wilileaks is a leaks website that used
> to be a wiki. And I wondered : how long will it take before we read
> somewhere : Wikipedia, the Pedia that used to be a Wiki ?
>
> Sooner than you might think.
>
> Just yesterday, someone reported a mistake at the French village pump
> : a castle was located at the wrong location on the new
> toolserver.org/~kolossos/openlayersmap
>  tool. That castle, called
> "Pierrefonds Castle", should be located in the Pierrefonds town, not
> in Senlis town, like the Windsor castle is located in the town of
> Windsor to the exclusion of any other English town.
>
> I thought this was the time to show the power of a wiki : a cool
> website everybody can edit, especially useful to instantly correct
> straightforward mistakes like that one.
>
> The 
> toolserver.org/~kolossos/openlayerssoftware
>  is cute enough to
> provide "source: ru" at the bottom of the little popup window that
> pops up when you click on the wrongly located castle. I instantly
> corrected the wrong coordinates on the Russian language version of
> Wikipedia (1) which had the mistake.
>
> We are more or less 24 hours (19 hours, exactly) after I corrected the
> mistake, but the 
> toolserver.org/~kolossos/openlayersis
>  still wrong.
> This is not what a wiki is supposed to be.
>
> There are 2 potential reasons. A) The Russian Wikipedia uses "Flagged
> revisions" and my newbie edit might be ignored by whoever wants to
> ignore it because it is flagged as a non-flagged newbie edit.B) the
> toolserver.org/~kolossos/openlayerssoftware
>  might be too slow to
> perform updates.
>
> Whatever the reason, this is evidence that Wikipedia is changing into
> something that is not a wiki.
>
> I am wondering if the whole problem is not the sheer idea of having
> "developers" doing their job : "developping". Developping means
> changing. If you change a wiki, you have 99% of chances that what it
> changes into is not a wiki.
>
> This was my first anti-developer rant of 2011. Happy new year everybody.
>
> (1)
> http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD_%28%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%29&action=historysubmit&diff=30694643&oldid=28135989
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Re: [Foundation-l] "Urgent update about Wikipedia"

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Joe,

You are not the only one complaining about it - some people were a bit
shocked by the first letter and bewildered by the second. It's called
"spam".

Victoria

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Joe Corneli  wrote:
> So, thanks to everyone for talking me into donating - that was fun.  I
> felt good about it.  But now I'm being asked for more money?  I'm not
> so into that, in fact, it's a bit off-putting.  No doubt it's a
> standard fundraising technique but frankly it doesn't seem like the
> wiki way.  Maybe the united way, but we're not them.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

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Stanislav Kozlovskiy is a vice-president of Wikimedia Russia.
>
> It is still not clear whether this is hoax or somebody really filed a
> lawsuit.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
>
As I understand it he didn't file the lawsuit, he just complained to the
police. The police was obliged to tick the box contacting somebody but they
don't take it too seriously. The files in question - а  translation of
Mussolini book  and a leaglet about Beslan were already removed from the
Russian Wikisource. As for The Ultimatum to remove all fascist simbols form
all articles I don't think he can or will do anything about it.

Victoria
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Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

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I am not sure that deleting disccusion pages as a default is a good thing.
If  the discussion page exists some people will check it out of curosity and
stay on the site longer, may be add their comments. "Red" scares many users,
they don't know how to create a new page. Of course  "I don't like this
person" won't do but  if there was a mistake they will see that the mistake
is corrected so there's a possibility of the feedback.

The Russian Wikipedia has copied your Mistakes report script but we often
transfer the reports to the discussion pages for  correction of  wikipedians
looking after their articles.

Victoria
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Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

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*Dzień dobry, *Przykuta

One of Wikipedia perennial dilemmas is quantity vs. quality. Low depth and
low articles to non-auricles ratio usually a sign that too many articles
were created semiautomatically, by bots and the community is spread too thin
e.g. there is not enough people to correct and discuss these articles.



Therefore, the first possible thing to do is to stop increasing the number
of bot articles - at the stage of development of Polish Wikipedia they do
more harm than good.



You can also have an "X week" where X is any topic of articles created by
bots. People like to work together on a common goal, in the Russian
Wikipedia thematic weeks are very successful.



And lastly you can start nominating articles created by bots and not touched
by a human hand since then for deletion. They will be either improved or
deleted and any outcome will increase average depth. In RuWiki nobody tries
to nominate significant bot articles like German cities but superfluous ones
about obscure 70s C-movies and far far away galaxies NGO... are nominated
for deletion 5 per day.

I hope this helps.

Regards

Victoria


On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Przykuta  wrote:

> Hi
>
> In pl wiki "depth" is very weak. We have many edits, like other bigger
> Wikipedias, but Ratio is problematical (Non-Articles/Articles). We have not
> a lot of non-article pages. Could you help us? Any ideas?
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-Articles/Articles
>
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesArticlesEditsPerArticle.htm
>
> http://s23.org/wikistats/wikipedias_html.php?sort=good_desc
>
>
> http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna%3ANowe_strony&namespace=4&tagfilter=&username=
>
> Przykuta
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Re: [Foundation-l] Differences between projects with common versus highly diverse cultural backgrounds (was Re: Pending Changes)

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Everybody,

Sorry for  the previous blunder. I'd like to point out that the Flagged
Revvs were switched on in the "culturally diverse" Russian Wikipedia in the
August 2008 and we don't see significant changes in the editors numbers.
Once the initial opposition to a bold decision of a couple of admins was
over there is a broad consensus in the community that FR improves the
overall quality of a project.

Victoria
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