Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Travel Guide

2012-04-09 Thread Dan Rosenthal
One of the most useful articles on Wikitravel that I've found is an outline of different Bavarian beers, and which groups they are popular with in Bavaria. I refer back to it regularly. I can't say I see the not educational argument. Dan Rosenthal On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Foundation-l] Reminder: office hours this morning with WMF General Counsel

2011-12-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
/listinfo/foundation-l Trying to connect -- anyone else having trouble or is it just me? Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Reminder: office hours this morning with WMF General Counsel

2011-12-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Thanks, I figured out the problem, or rather a workaround. Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:23:14PM +0300, Dan Rosenthal wrote: Trying to connect -- anyone else having trouble or is it just me? It's you

Re: [Foundation-l] Trust, consensus building and the image filter - was Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:28 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:03:25 +0200 From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
If the entire premise of an email comes down to I'm taunting you, that's an indication it probably shouldn't be sent. Dan Rosenthal On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:27 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 16/10/2011 19:36, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Am 16.10.2011 16:17, schrieb ???: On 16

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

2011-10-05 Thread Dan Rosenthal
. Or maybe the community considered and rejected it. Just throwing it out there. Also, we have a Sicilian Wikipedia, don't we? Is that still up? What about the Latin Wikipedia? Dan Rosenthal On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/10/5 M. Williamson

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

2011-10-05 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: Using a geotargeted CentralNotice would be clever, but I believe it would be trivial to get around by disabling Javascript. Currently it.wikipedia is using JS to redirect to their message, but beyond that all page

Re: [Foundation-l] Do I miss my bet?

2011-09-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Without seeing the responses to the referendum, I am betting you have in the comments a huge amount of _committed_ You are on crack; I will never stand for this. comments, a wide field of wishy washies giving

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikinews fork: updates

2011-09-13 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Sounds like a solid reason to fork and looks like the start of a promising project -- I hope you guys have the best of luck. Dan To be clear, OpenGlobe was not created due to a dispute with the Foundation. The main reason for forking was the perceived hostility and rudeness among Wikinews

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The point of rational discussion that I find interesting is his demi-glace reduction in the very last email he sent. I'm working with gmail, so quoting it is annoying. Throw in a side of potatos, and I'm officially hungry. Statistics is yummy!

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Does your feminism excludes necessity for sexual education? No, but, I can send you some pictures on Commons that have been speedy keeps of strippers with their legs spread wide because they are educational and

Re: [Foundation-l] Learning about cultural diversity from US diplomacy

2011-09-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Yeah whatever was the final ruling on that, as to whether wikileaks cables can be cited? Dan Rosenthal On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: So, to understand the circumstances around building

Re: [Foundation-l] Learning about cultural diversity from US diplomacy

2011-09-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
We consider WL to be a reliable source? [1] http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/01/06BELGRADE41.html (goes off to read) Leaked cables are primary sources, some of which pose problems because they may contain non-public personal identifying information. Generally the information in

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Dan Rosenthal
for a professional to manage it. Was this announced some place? Dan Rosenthal On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM, CasteloBranco michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote: For your information The Brazilian community is offering WMF a letter of agreement, which was collaboratively written. After

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Ah, ok this is a recent thing then. Dan Rosenthal On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, CasteloBranco michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Dan It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the Brazil Catalyst section). [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement Roles: my suggestion of Language Contact Persons

2011-08-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The subject matter chapters thing sounds quite a bit like en.wp's Wikiprojects. Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2011-08-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Andre Engels wrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Did the idea of the second trial get any momentum in the end of the day? As a en.wp

Re: [Foundation-l] Question: Guidelines with regard to topics suitable for Geonotices

2011-07-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: It would be helpful if someone from the Foundation could confirm whether guidelines that might result from such discussions would be considered binding in the future for WMF and

Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge

2011-07-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Why can't you do both? Provide the original text in the original language in the citation, followed by a translation. Any bickering over the quality of the translation can be dealt with through consensus on the talk page, while the original is still there for those who want the original to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions

2011-07-11 Thread Dan Rosenthal
/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions

2011-07-11 Thread Dan Rosenthal
) for some sort of deletion, contact an admin/steward/oversighter as exists on your particular wiki. -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions

2011-07-11 Thread Dan Rosenthal
...@wikimedia.org Ah, somehow I forgot this (which is doubly stupid since I recall talking to Jon about it at some point last year!) Sorry about the confusion. -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome Tilman Bayer to the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-07-08 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Awesome! Congrats HaeB! Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:52 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: HaeB, Congratulations!!! You've done superb work with the signpost and we'll (signpost folks) greatly miss you. Cheers, Katie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Jay

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hi Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons for having appointed members is to get an outsiders perspective. This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM, George Herbert wrote: How do I manage the political factions on ANI or an Arbcom case on english language Wikipedia to deal with this policy / behavior problem is something that very few *insiders* can do well... That's not the board's job though, and misses

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The general observation that we should be easier for everyone to edit is reasonable, and that doing that and more outreach would help the rest of the world contribute more effectively. (I did in fact see this in my previous email, but forgot to erase the line about you missing my point, as

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: It seems to me like you're characterizing Matt-joining-the-board as problematic, while at the same time saying Matt himself is a good board member. That seems contradictory to me. I'm not sure it is. I think what Joseph is saying is that Matt

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Michael Snow wrote: To be frank, I also disagree that changing the timing would have improved things in any practical sense. It doesn't really obscure the connection much, if that's even what we would want to do. And for people who were worrying about the

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Scott MacDonald wrote: Imagine if poetlister now engages in identity theft and deception at Wikiversity. How precisely does one engage in identity theft in a project that does not require the submission of identifying information? -Dan

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I see, I was reading the statement to imply that he/she was somehow using Wikimedia projects as a method of acquiring personally identifiable information, not as a distribution method. -Dan On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dan Rosenthal

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:50 PM, George Herbert wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.loks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Scott MacDonald wrote: Imagine if poetlister now engages

Re: [Foundation-l] Farsi wikipedia now has 150000 articles

2011-05-22 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 22, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Mardetanha wrote: Dear all fellow wikipedian and wikimedians I am so pleased to announce some minutes ago Farsi wikipedia has reached 15 articles. Mardetanha Congratulations! -Dan ___ foundation-l mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Commons as an art gallery?

2011-05-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I feel like this image from the same author: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Futanari.png might be crossing the lines. Given Niabot's user page loudly railing against Commons being censored, I'd say the issue is less art and more lets see who we can shock and/or piss off. -Dan On May

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

2011-04-15 Thread Dan Rosenthal
It might be easier if you look at it as a numerical scale where native speaker is a quality level at or near the top, and someone who speaks none of or only a handful of words in the language is at the bottom. From Jay's clarification: Perhaps a more clear way to write this sentence would have

Re: [Foundation-l] In reply to Virgilio's comments

2011-04-10 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:28 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: 4 What it would be like to grant amnesty to all that are currently banned and/or blocked. It is just fine, providing we continue to only grant amnesty to those who accept the terms of

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

2011-04-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
, and towards members of this list both on and off list. This is no army barracks, farm stables, or brawl among drunkards on the town fairgrounds. As Dan Rosenthal might wish to present evidence that no harm was intended or done, by making public his message, I authorize that he so does. I have

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution

2011-04-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think you're missing the humor in the choice of word misspelled. If you're going to criticize Fred's intelligence, you should take care to ensure that you spell intellectual correctly. Otherwise, it puts quite a damper on your argument. If I was getting heart surgery, I would want my surgeon

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution

2011-04-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Virgilio: Your userpage claims you speak American English at an en-4 near-native level. Want to try again? -Dan On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:47 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: When I misspelled the word intellectual I wasn't referring to certain people whose language skills revolve around

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution

2011-04-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: intelectual *cough* -Dan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Possible tsunami for Japan

2011-03-13 Thread Dan Rosenthal
NHK is apparently reporting 9 ft. tsunami heading for Shinchicho, Fukushima Prefecture, from what I'm reading in the stewards channel. If you are in the potential target area, please be safe. -Dan (crossposting to multiple lists) ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-08 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 8 March 2011 13:24, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: On 3/5/11 7:48 AM, MZMcBride wrote: While most donations come from people outside the Wikimedia (editing) community, the people within the community often feel that the very small

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I sincerely doubt that poverty is anyones attraction to wikipedia. -- Dan Rosenthal Sent from my iPhone. My apologies for any brevity. On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:30 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 06:48, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: church.of.emacs.ml

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening

2011-03-01 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Did autocomplete change your sentence Fred? I don't follow and it doesn't seem to relate to MZMcBride's new question about naming. -- Dan Rosenthal Sent from my iPhone. My apologies for any brevity. On Mar 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Is there something

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Nathan wrote: At some point WMF employees might just stop posting here altogether, to escape the unfounded criticism. This +1. I can think of what, three or four instances in the past couple of weeks, in which WMF employees were excessively criticized for their

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Dan Rosenthal wrote: On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Nathan wrote: At some point WMF employees might just stop posting here altogether, to escape the unfounded criticism. This +1. I can think of what, three or four instances in the past couple

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Feb 17, 2011, at 1:29 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Dan Rosenthal wrote: I'm not referring to a single incident. I'm referring to a broader trend; there have been recent incidents on other mailing lists as well, including ones where staff subscriptions are more prevalent than foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Pronoein wrote: Le 17/02/2011 02:07, Dan Rosenthal a écrit : I'm not referring to a single incident. I'm referring to a broader trend; there have been recent incidents on other mailing lists as well, including ones where staff subscriptions are more prevalent

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Feb 17, 2011, at 1:49 AM, Pronoein wrote: Le 17/02/2011 03:41, Dan Rosenthal a écrit : Your solution is that it is easier to blame the staff, rather than point out that the criticism lacks any foundation? And then you say assume good faith? That does not make much sense to me. Good

Re: [Foundation-l] IRC general meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
No matter what time you're dealing with you're going to have bad timing somewhere. Move it forward a few hours, and you lose Europe. Move it backwards and you lose the WMF and west coast US (and not likely to get much east coast involvement that early). -Dan On Feb 6, 2011, at 11:12 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] inquiry about paid prject support by WMF

2011-01-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Yeah, I was confused about the page as well, so I got in touch with the research team. They're going to build out their page a bit better first, it'll explain more what they mean. -Dan On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:58 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: All mention that this is supported by the have been

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

2010-12-31 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Banners have been turned off for logged-in users on en.wp (and maybe other projects?) for quite some time now, since well before Christmas holiday break for most people. -Dan On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Brian J Mingus wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Re: [Wikizh-l] About WM priv ate policy

2010-12-24 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Addressing the other half of this issue, is creating a page = to editing, I'd argue that page creation is a subset of editing with a fundamental difference. Creating a page has different requirements (such as meeting mandatory inclusion requirements, like notability, or local project rules)

Re: [Foundation-l] Korean Wikipedians charged with criminal defamation: a potential threat of censorship

2010-12-22 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The Colorado law has been significantly weakened in the past year. See Mink v. Knox, No. 08-1250 (10th Cir. July 19, 2010), slip. op. at 26. -Dan On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: An example of an actual prosecution: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=20937

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
before I started working for the WMF. -Dan Rosenthal On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Dan Rosenthal, 17/12/2010 01:01: If you have a legal question, best to send it to legal...@wikimedia.org. It will be routed much faster and is much preferable. Please stop

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
get a new full time council, the alias will be repointed to them. So le...@wikimedia.org will always be a good and safe bet. -Jon On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 07:28, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: That email is incorrect. The direct email is legal...@wikimedia.org. As far

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
if something major has changed without telling us, someone's got some explaining to do. -Dan On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Dan Rosenthal, 17/12/2010 01:01: If you have a legal question, best to send it to legal...@wikimedia.org. It will be routed much faster

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Pedro- Correct, it's just set up wrong on OTRS. Right now Legal@ is not even an OTRS email address. If it were, we could then structure it so the languages were subqueues. But that'd require legal@ becoming an OTRS email address. Huib - The staff (myself and Jon) are saying two different,

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Kibble, you never cease to amaze. Much 3. That's a great summary. -Dan On Dec 18, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Please stop it: this is incorrect and perhaps you should at least double check if someone

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
That email is incorrect. The direct email is legal...@wikimedia.org. As far as I know, simply le...@wikimedia.org forwards to bo...@wikimedia.org or some other email address; either way, not where it needs to go. -Dan On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: Hello, As far as I

Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

2010-12-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
That might work, but it is the least ideal way of getting in touch. If you have a legal question, best to send it to legal...@wikimedia.org. It will be routed much faster and is much preferable. -Dan On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:29 PM, K. Peachey wrote: WMF Legal has a email assigned to it, so you

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Appeals for individual editors strikes the right chord

2010-12-05 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Alec Conroy wrote: I just wanted to write in to compliment all those who are behind the banners on the site right now-- Personal Appeals from individual editors with inspiring visions about how Wikimedia can help change the world for the better. This, to me,

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-28 Thread Dan Rosenthal
We should all be asking Is there really a problem here that would justify creating a major exception to our privacy policies? -- because I haven't seen one. Did anyone notice how some of the earlier posts were suggesting that it was OK because people can anonymize themselves with a proxy or

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Noein wrote: Thank you everybody for explaining your views. Most of the US inhabitants who answered me seem to be living and believing in a hierarchical and competitive world where the highest ranked ones- who are praised as gods - take from the lowest ones - who

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Noein, you keep saying that the community does or does not believe a certain way. To my knowledge there have been no studies of socioeconomic perspectives and policies of community members to support your argument. If there are and I'm mistaken, I'd love to know as that would be very

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-19 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Noein wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/11/2010 11:42, Fred Bauder wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Does Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

2010-08-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
To be fair, the DNI is a relative a friend of mine and I am pretty sure he does not personally publish much of anything on the website. But the point is probably well taken. -Dan On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: It's a bit of a Keystone Kops joke for the

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Cary, Hopefully, your successor will be even a fraction of you, in every way. Dan Rosenthal On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Thank you for all you have done, and the very best of wish for all your future endeavours. KTC -- Experience is a good

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Please stop with the aggressive threats against other users. It's a) not helpful, b) incredibly inappropriate, and c) not your decision anyway. -Dan On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Jeffrey Peters wrote: David Gerard, This list is not for your political advocacy. Now, stop trolling.

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Wikipedia...

2010-06-17 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Isn't the quote backwards? The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. It could never work in theory? -Dan On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in theory. It could never work in practice. I've seen that quote

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia

2010-06-09 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think the immediate question would be this: Ignoring the question of trademark infringement for the moment, what way would the Persian Wikipedia WANT to do it? Is there a standard that is used for non-trademarked things when there is no Persian word in existence to describe the title? For

Re: [Foundation-l] Amidst all the chaos...

2010-05-21 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Here here. There is a tactical map of 18th century Boston by Lt. Page of the British Army on commons that I really am just blown away by. I believe it is a featured picture, if anyone is interested. Also I saw a brilliant photo of a homeless person in Philidelphia that could have been put on a

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 74, Issue 28

2010-05-08 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Adam, You've made your point. I and other list readers don't need my email box stuffed full with dozens of new posts from the same person saying substantively the same thing, with different subjects. If anyone had confusion about where you stand on this issue, it was clarified long ago.

Re: [Foundation-l] Threading

2010-05-08 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 8, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: If someone will tell me how to get messages to thread if you're in digest mode - I've been making honest efforts to try and get threading - I will happily use whatever

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The obvious example that comes to mind is the 3D virtual world physics as a tool for disseminating knowledge. For instance, I was looking up various model Porsche race cars the other day on Wikipedia. No amount of text can truly describe the intangible differences in control between driving a

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: On 7 May 2010 03:17, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The obvious example that comes to mind is the 3D virtual world physics as a tool for disseminating knowledge. For instance, I was looking up various model Porsche race cars the other day

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 7, 2010, at 12:21 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: 3D objects could already be supported as .blend files although we don't at this point. -- geni

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia iPhone app goes v2.0

2010-05-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On May 2, 2010, at 1:49 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: Yea it is :) The source to which seems to be located here:

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread Dan Rosenthal
(This is meant as a reply to GerardM, not WJhonson) Pure data such as longitude and latitude, in the US, is treated significantly differently from the act of creation and determination of a map, particularly one that involves inherent pictorial or photographic nature. It is true that maps are

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I'm not familiar with the particular project/maps/geodata in question, but a blanket statement that claiming copyright on a map is absurdity is itself wrong. -Dan If I'm not mistaken, the thread is not about the copyrightability of maps themselves, but the copyrightability of

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Why should we reuse our own unfree logo and not others unfree logos. We aim to creat a free encyclopedia that can be freely reused. What is rational about taking a scenario to the extreme? We want to use a bare minimum of unfree content, wherever possible. That is not the same as NO unfree

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
How is it logical for the Wikimedia Foundation, by way of volunteers supporting the Wikimedia Foundation, be disallowed from having their own logo on their own website? In what universe is this logical? The problem with use of copyrighted/trademarked logos is the concern that the owner of

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Assuming that other people care about ones own form of mailing choice is crap also, as far as this list is concerned. Let people do as they choose. Nobody forces you to read their posts. On Mar 30, 2010 7:45 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Top posting is not what *creates* the crap. Copying the

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
no, there's no obligation to interject ourselves, but more importantly I think we DO have an obligation to respect the existing legal system as well as protect the entire project from litigation. Dan Rosenthal On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: But Dan your reply allows any

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
with the keys because of the oversights, to see how they were posted and where, so we are in the dark there. On 2010-03-03, at 4:38 AM, Chad wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 04:26, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Rosenthal
as they can't remove content after it has been published. Since the WMF got the notice, it is their responsibility to file a counternotice or not. On 2010-03-03, at 7:40 AM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: Doesn't matter how they were posted. If they were, and there is a valid notice, the action

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-02 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think you're misconstruing who is doing what here. The Foundation is not the person required to send the counter notice, nor do they have the freedom or the obligation to involve themselves in a copyright dispute between TI and another user. It's not their determination to make whether the

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-10 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I'm not an expert in the particular arena, but it would seem that the onus of any requirement on individual accounts lies on the account holder; it would be patently unreasonable to expect a website or service provider to have any method of enforcing that. For instance, AOL has not the

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
In addition to Brad's very good points, I'd like to point out, if it hasn't been already, that any discussion on this topic also inevitably generates external criticism of Why does XXX editor protect pedophiles? (or even substitute Wikipedia for XXX editor). Nothing good can come of this

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Neo-Nazis are frequently banned for disruptive editing as are many other aggressive POV pushers. All IP addresses owned or operated by the Church of Scientology and its

Re: [Foundation-l] Follow up: Fan History joining the WMF family

2009-11-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I'd toss in there lack of realistic expectations from your project, especially as far as being financially compensated is concerned. This alone can account for much of the other things you view as breakdowns. -Dan On Nov 29, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Laura Hale wrote: I'm going to post a

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board April 2009

2009-08-11 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I want to echo Thomas's remarks. It is certainly a fine line to balance, and I am glad that the donor's concerns are on your mind. I also want to reiterate my support for an endowment. I'm not going to preach at anyone here (least of all you and Veronique) the benefits of having one, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT

2009-08-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Chad wrote: Then ask him/her about it off list. This has nothing to do with foundation-l. -Chad On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM, mizusumashimizusuma...@coda.ocn.ne.jp wrote: Hello, Huib. O.K. I promise to stop this if Jade would declare her/his edit

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I find it somewhat ridiculous that someone would not know about the key dates. I've had them on my calendar for at least a month, if not more. -Dan On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: It appears that perhaps centralnotice might be working again once you've confirmed

Re: [Foundation-l] NIH and Wikimedia Foundation collaborate to improve online health information

2009-07-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I will be there to assist, for one. -Dan On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Hello Frank, This sounds very cool. Which Wikipedians will be there? Is it open to anyone at the NIH? Is there a public agenda? SJ On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Frank Schulenburg

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-22 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The statute supports that as well, providing a private right of action and civil remedy. It's not entirely that cut and dry (there are certain restrictions that must be met) but yeah, it appears that in some cases TOS violations can be illegal. -Dan On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Mark Wagner

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies

2009-06-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Installing Google Analytics, even for our own purposes, is a bad idea. For one, it creates a link to google that is not necessarily what we want; it would be a big target for people to try and hack, and it presents tempting security risks on Google's end. Not to mention, as far as I know

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies

2009-06-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:27 PM, John at Darkstar wrote: Not to mention, as far as I know the program is proprietary. This is an example of whats the real problem here; its not the security issues but the users political issues. I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I'm just

Re: [Foundation-l] Goodbye

2009-05-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Michael, You and I have had our disagreements, especially over the mailing list, but nobody can argue with the quality and amount of work you've done for the Foundation. My best wishes to you at university. -Dan On May 26, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Michael Bimmler wrote: Dear all, I would like

Re: [Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots

2009-04-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
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Re: [Foundation-l] Pictures of Bangkok riots

2009-04-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
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