On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't remember if we ever asked, in our general surveys, how and when
contributors discovered that they /could/ edit. But perhaps after
they've edited it's too late becauser they've already fallen in the
This is completely understandable. I recently looked at a 13-page
article in the Bullletin of the Pan American Union for 1933 on
Hipólito Unánue. Our stub article shows him as president of Peru in
1825-6. He wasn't. I had to ask myself how much time am I prepared to
use for sorting this
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote:
This hostility is being reflected in the drop at the number of the editors.I
agree with the ''automatic-message theory''. None likes automatic messages.
In my view, it should be reserved for vandals.
Newbies needs
Ray, does the article say he was not the President of the Government
Council? I found a link on that and added it to the article, but the
reference, how should I put it, does not look to me as an ultimately to
most authoritative source. I will search more, but if you have the
material
at hand
On 11/01/11 4:43 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite4Wiki )
right click and paste in the article. Easier than that can't be ;)
The newbie still has to find out from somewhere that he should
Well, no newbie will wake up and say: I want to place references in
Wikipedia articles today - they do because one of us asked them to do. And
all (maybe not all but most of) us know the software, and don't cost more
of our time ask them to use it. In fact a message explaining how to use
the
On 3 November 2011 09:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, no newbie will wake up and say: I want to place references in
Wikipedia articles today - they do because one of us asked them to do. And
all (maybe not all but most of) us know the software, and don't cost more
of our
On 10/31/11 1:31 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
For me, the most common reason why an edit click is not followed by a
save is because I end up not having the time to complete the work, or
the edit I had in mind becomes more complicated than I thought
(sometimes the latter partly explains the
I don't think simple text or link changes will really do the trick. I think
popup bubbles could be more successful.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
David Gerard, 31/10/2011 12:29:
I’ve been into Wikipedia for several years, and all my friends
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite4Wiki )
right click and paste in the article. Easier than that can't be ;)
There are a lot of tools available
02, 2011 6:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 02:08:24PM +0100, Svip wrote:
On 31 October 2011 12:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the impact of changes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Taglinediff=20130615oldid=17050524
?
Thank you for that, that was
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:14:28 +0200
From: cimonav...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org
...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine for the other 14.6 percent
On 1 November 2011 23:39, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote:
If the sources are so important to Wikipedia, this has to be easier to
newbies.
The essential problem is that the Wikipedia community is newbie-hostile.
Not actively - mostly - but passively. They view newbies as trouble
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On 1 November 2011 23:39, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote:
If the sources are so important to Wikipedia, this has to be easier to
newbies.
The essential problem is that the Wikipedia community is newbie
I’ve been into Wikipedia for several years, and all my friends know
this. I *still* find myself having to explain to them in small words
that that “edit” link really does include them fixing typos when they
see one.
So my suggestion: tiny tiny steps like this: things people can do that
have a
David Gerard, 31/10/2011 12:29:
I’ve been into Wikipedia for several years, and all my friends know
this. I *still* find myself having to explain to them in small words
that that “edit” link really does include them fixing typos when they
see one.
So my suggestion: tiny tiny steps like this:
On 31 October 2011 11:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the impact of changes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Taglinediff=20130615oldid=17050524
?
(Probably minimal, readers don't actually read our invitations to edit
anyway, usually.)
Do
David Gerard, 31/10/2011 12:59:
On 31 October 2011 11:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
What's the impact of changes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Taglinediff=20130615oldid=17050524
?
(Probably minimal, readers don't actually read our invitations to edit
anyway,
On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the
Article Feedback Tool, which contains a you know you can edit, right?
thing. Off the top of my head I think 17.4 percent of the 30-40,000 people
who use
2% of the 17, I believe (don't quote me on that), and yeah, saving an edit
is the metric. I think we could probably improve things by providing
guidance on markup or something; I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the
process goes something along the lines of oh, it says I can make the
changes
On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the
process goes something along the lines of oh, it says I can make the
changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS TEXT
MEAN
I've been editing nearly 8 years
On 31 October 2011 12:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the impact of changes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Taglinediff=20130615oldid=17050524
?
Thank you for that, that was hilarious to read through all those reversions.
hi David, what you wrote fits exactly my experience!
Today, my opinion is, that we must focus our efforts on a small portion
of Internet users. It is not that WE just do something very great,
everyone is doing something! In very different ways. Maybe even Facebook
users are doing something
On 10/31/2011 6:01 AM, foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyesscire.fac...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the
Article Feedback Tool, which contains a you know you can edit, right?
thing.
Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20:
We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a
little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an edit window and making no
changes may be more common than we think. Are there any stats on this?
Yes, it was something like 70 % of edit clicks
On 10/31/2011 10:09 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20:
We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a
little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an edit window and making no
changes may be more common than we think. Are there any stats on
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the
process goes something along the lines of oh, it says I can make the
changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
Would it be overwhelmingly hard to program a pop-up dialogue which
would first ask which type of source the editor is citing from, which
would lead to a form with labeled textboxes for the
various elements of a
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