Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:26, Samuel Klein wrote: > On 2/2/12, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> We're getting very off topic, but you are right that there is a problem >> with dormant chapters. I know nothing about the Russian chapter, but I do >> know how difficult it was to to get the first Wikimedia UK

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On 2/2/12, Thomas Dalton wrote: > We're getting very off topic, but you are right that there is a problem > with dormant chapters. I know nothing about the Russian chapter, but I do > know how difficult it was to to get the first Wikimedia UK out of the way. > > Perhaps the WMF board should ask C

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Theo10011, 02/02/2012 00:36: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Risker wrote: The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise and skill-set. The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they r

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Béria Lima
MZ if you understand the process enough to create another page, I don't think you need my help. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a co

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread MZMcBride
Béria Lima wrote: > On 1 February 2012 21:56, MZMcBride wrote: >> Béria Lima wrote: >>> Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to >>> elect the Chapter seats. Say that "nobody knows" is a bit offensive. >> >> SEVERAL pages on Meta-Wiki? It's a wonder they haven't bee

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Risker wrote: > > The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise > and skill-set.  The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to > fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they > require. > > The chapter

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 February 2012 14:13, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > Not that I disagree, but I think this invites us to think what actual role > the chapters have. Indeed, my impression (which might be wrong since I have > never performed any statistical analysis) is that the majority of the > chapter board me

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> I think it makes sense to get board members selected by the community > and board members selected by chapters because the focus is different. > I'd love to see members selected by the community being active editors, > involved on a regular basis on the project with editorial and soft > devel

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 February 2012 12:57, Florence Devouard wrote: > I do not know if Phoebe would have been community elected or not. She did > not try. I can only guess that if she were not chosen this year by chapters, > she could very well be community elected in the future because she is > obviously very in

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/3/12 11:15 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: As in... Michael Snow ? Who is a fabulous guy, ran in community election, and was turned down ? Florence Domas? I do not think we respect him less because of that. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> As in... Michael Snow ? > > Who is a fabulous guy, ran in community election, and was turned down ? > > Florence > > Domas? I do not think we respect him less because of that. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-03 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/2/12 12:26 AM, Risker wrote: On 1 February 2012 18:17, Theo10011 wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker wrote: In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no basis in fact to say that

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Stuart West wrote: > > The hope was to attract/identify Board candidates who could add a lot > of value to the movement but who, for one reason or another, would > NOT typically be candidates in election.  That might be because they > aren't well-known in the editin

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > Last time, the chapters decided to keep the process very confidential > in order to allow free and frank discussion of the candidates. Jeebus, if that was the goal, it signally failed. I never saw so much equivocation, pussy-footing and p

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 2, 2012 8:22 AM, "Yaroslav M. Blanter" wrote: > Would you please also comment on Russia which has a chapter consisting of > I believe seven (or nine?) members, which does not accept new members and > maintains an invitation-only mailing list (which is open not only to > chapter members, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> My conclusion was that for even relatively big languages like Catalan it is > impossible to get representation in community elections unless you start > writing in English Wikipedia. > Well, if I remember correctly, at some point we elected an Italian board member in the community elections. (

[Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Joan Goma
Hi Bence I did my own non official statistics about voters and candidates by language. Here you are: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gom%C3%A0/Elections_2011 en-wiki presented 39% of the candidates, casted 30% of the votes and obtained 66% of the members. de-wiki presented 18% of the candid

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-02 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> *It is difficult to get involved in chapters when, like me, you live in >> Africa, and the only approved chapter for the entire continent is 8,000 >> kilometres away.* >> > > Create one in your country! :D That is basicaly what we are doing in > IberoCoop - help groups from all over Latin World

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Cyrano. Let's go by parts. *(...) How should the candidate be chosen? > * By chapter consensus, that if not reach by a certain date, will became a vote in which each chapter get to choose which candidate they like. More details in: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/201

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 February 2012 01:53, cyrano wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, I haven't read the 50 mails yet, but how should the > candidate be chosen? By community vote? By chapter's members ? (do you > need registering ?). Will the WMF chose among them? Sorry if I missed > the relevant docs, I'm new to this

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread cyrano
Excuse my ignorance, I haven't read the 50 mails yet, but how should the candidate be chosen? By community vote? By chapter's members ? (do you need registering ?). Will the WMF chose among them? Sorry if I missed the relevant docs, I'm new to this. Also, can I present myself as a candidate? Can

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:42 AM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov < alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/2/1 Béria Lima > > > that is a bit OT but... > > > > Not at all, it is a statement of fact. The continent of Africa is scarcely > represented in terms of Chapters, despite being the world's

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 2 February 2012 00:06, Cristian Consonni > wrote: > > Anyway, from the results of the least chapter and community seats > > election my opinion is that the former are *wyyy* more > > en.wiki-centered than the first. > > Really? How do

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
2012/2/1 Béria Lima > that is a bit OT but... > Not at all, it is a statement of fact. The continent of Africa is scarcely represented in terms of Chapters, despite being the world's largest geographically and second most populous geographically. > > *It is difficult to get involved in chapters

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
See 1st message in this thread MZ. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. * On 1 Fe

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 February 2012 00:06, Cristian Consonni wrote: > Anyway, from the results of the least chapter and community seats > election my opinion is that the former are *wyyy* more > en.wiki-centered than the first. Really? How do you work that out? The current occupants of the chapter seats are o

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Cristian Consonni
2012/2/2 Oliver Keyes : > Oh, agreed. But what I'm interested in is not "should be", but whether the > rhetoric in internal chapter elections is usually dominated by, or even > includes, mention of the wider governance issues. > > I think chapters have a crucial role to play in movement governance,

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 February 2012 23:44, Béria Lima wrote: > Wikimedia Portugal held votes between their members to 2008 and 2010 > elections. I know WMFR, WMUK and WMAR do the same, and the list can go on... Really? If I had known WMPT had breached confidentiality like that at the time, I would have voided you

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread MZMcBride
Béria Lima wrote: > Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to > elect the Chapter seats. Say that "nobody knows" is a bit offensive. SEVERAL pages on Meta-Wiki? It's a wonder they haven't been memorized by all members of the Wikimedia community. It's fair to say that

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Oh, agreed. But what I'm interested in is not "should be", but whether the > rhetoric in internal chapter elections is usually dominated by, or even > includes, mention of the wider governance issues. > > I think chapters have a crucial role t

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
And how will that work this year if, as I am understanding it, virtually all the information about the candidates will be hidden? On 1 February 2012 23:44, Béria Lima wrote: > Wikimedia Portugal held votes between their members to 2008 and 2010 > elections. I know WMFR, WMUK and WMAR do the same

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
Oh, agreed. But what I'm interested in is not "should be", but whether the rhetoric in internal chapter elections is usually dominated by, or even includes, mention of the wider governance issues. I think chapters have a crucial role to play in movement governance, and that trustees of each chapte

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Wikimedia Portugal held votes between their members to 2008 and 2010 elections. I know WMFR, WMUK and WMAR do the same, and the list can go on... _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding the > process in private, it's in no way open to thousands of members - it's open > to representatives of thousands of members who were not, I would wager, > selected because of

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
You're misunderstanding; I'm saying the Board of Trustees nominations happening on the chapters wiki is open merely to the representatives of chapters, not to the thousands of members apparently taking part. Please do list those chapters who have an internal vote of the membership before voting on

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding the > process in private, it's in no way open to thousands of members - it's open > to representatives of thousands of members who were not, I would wager, > selected because of

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Risker wrote: > > The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise > and skill-set. The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to > fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they > require. > Do you know

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to elect the Chapter seats. Say that "nobody knows" is a bit offensive. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório d

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
that is a bit OT but... *It is difficult to get involved in chapters when, like me, you live in > Africa, and the only approved chapter for the entire continent is 8,000 > kilometres away.* > Create one in your country! :D That is basicaly what we are doing in IberoCoop - help groups from all ove

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Joan Goma
Yo are right but those figures tell us that chapters are in a very strong position if they where able to mobilize their 4000 affiliates in the community board elections. I wonder how many of the 3400 participants in the community elections were also affiliated to some chapter. * * > *John Vanden

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Risker
On 1 February 2012 18:17, Theo10011 wrote: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker wrote: > > > In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, > > Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no > > basis in fact to say that those appointed by the

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding the process in private, it's in no way open to thousands of members - it's open to representatives of thousands of members who were not, I would wager, selected because of their opinions on wider movement governance. (personal opinio

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker wrote: > In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, > Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no > basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more > effective or helpful in meetin

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Risker
On 1 February 2012 17:38, Stuart West wrote: > On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Risker wrote: > > > it gives the impression that the current three > > elected members of the board are somehow considered not representative of > > the movement It > > concerns me a lot that the 97% of active Wikimed

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
> > Having seats appointed by movement organizations like the chapters offers > a chance to involve of another subset of our community: those who are > interested enough in governance issues to get involved in the leadership / > decision-making of movement organizations. That's also an important s

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
(personal opinion); no, 39 chapter people voted. Hands up everyone who voted for their chapter's trustees because they trusted their judgment in appointing members of the WMF Board? The rhetoric is most certainly not like that in the UK. Trustee elections tend to be scoped as "and this is what [ca

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 February 2012 22:38, John Vandenberg wrote: > In the 2011 community board election, less than 3400 "users" voted.[1] > > In the 2012 chapter board election, 39 chapters consisting of more > than 4000 identified people will be voting.[2] Those 4000 people won't be voting, though. The chapter

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 February 2012 22:36, Risker wrote: > In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, > Thomas?  The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no > basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more > effective or helpful in meeting the B

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Risker wrote: > On 1 February 2012 16:44, Stuart West wrote: > >> I'll give my personal view on the question, and invite others on the board >> to jump in.  I think the difference between the specific expertise seats >> and the appointed seats is subtle but importa

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Stuart West
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Risker wrote: > it gives the impression that the current three > elected members of the board are somehow considered not representative of > the movement It > concerns me a lot that the 97% of active Wikimedians who are not chapter > members seem to not be consider

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Risker
On 1 February 2012 17:22, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 1 February 2012 22:17, Risker wrote: > > This is well and good, but it gives the impression that the current three > > elected members of the board are somehow considered not representative of > > the movement, and that the opaque selection and

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 February 2012 22:17, Risker wrote: > This is well and good, but it gives the impression that the current three > elected members of the board are somehow considered not representative of > the movement, and that the opaque selection and appointment process for the > "chapter" seats is somehow

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Risker
On 1 February 2012 16:44, Stuart West wrote: > I'll give my personal view on the question, and invite others on the board > to jump in. I think the difference between the specific expertise seats > and the appointed seats is subtle but important. > > My sense is that the WMF Board specific exper

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Stuart West
I'll give my personal view on the question, and invite others on the board to jump in. I think the difference between the specific expertise seats and the appointed seats is subtle but important. My sense is that the WMF Board specific expertise seats are more focused on board operations and g

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stuart West wrote: > The hope was to attract/identify Board candidates who could add a lot of > value to the movement but who, for one reason or another, would NOT typically > be candidates in election.  That might be because they aren't well-known in > the edit

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Morton
> > *if not all chapters participate, or if the "discussion" is dominated by a > > few chapters, or if by some measure the Board determines that the > selection > > forwarded by the moderators does not sufficiently represent the Chapters, > > is there any thought to refusing to certify under these

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
I am highly perplexed why we have a *public call for candidates* when the rest of the process remains so private. Alex 2012/2/1 Chessie > Finding people not well known to editors: great. > Finding people shy of 'grueling' public election process: ok... > > How does either lead to hiding candi

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Chessie
Finding people not well known to editors: great. Finding people shy of 'grueling' public election process: ok... How does either lead to hiding candidate names? not doing background checks?  Not publishing what kinds of questions are asked? As others said, this feels very strange. On 2/1/12,

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Stuart West
On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Nathan wrote: > My question is - if the 38 chapters represent only a small portion of the > whole of Wikimedia...is it really appropriate for Chapters to continue to > have a role in filling Board seats? I think this is a valuable discussion to have, and it ties in n

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Nathan, Is REALLY frustrating when you spend days making a text with a lot of links to relevant documents and people simply ignore and ask you again the same thing that is already there. I have enough things to do, answer things that has already a document to answer isn't one of them. But let answ

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > > *Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board > > might refuse to certify the results? * > > I do really LOVE when you people ask questions that has already been > answered by a document, but let's quote again

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Like I said Stuart, we didn't changed the process. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
> > *The board members are to be selected by completely unstructured > discussion, with consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems > to allow for the discussion to reach its conclusion in person, with no > permanent records, at the Chapters Meeting. If the discussion reaches no > co

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
> > *Was it a conscious decision by the chapters to change that approach? I > was under the impression that you had decided to stick with the same > process we used last time.* > We didn't change the process, Thomas. Last time the Call for Candidates was also public and in meta, and the timeline a

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Stuart West
On Feb 1, 2012, at 4:12 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Last time, the chapters decided to keep the process very confidential > in order to allow free and frank discussion of the candidates. It was > felt that it would be good to have confidential discussions, in > contrast to the public ones that are

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Béria Lima
Hello, I will (try to) answer everyone - so I will send several mails in a row... please stick with me during the process. *Excellent; I am pleased to see that the chapters are becoming more > transparent in this respect. However, if the plan is to mirror the > discussion on Meta, why not just ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
I'm interested in answers to the procedural questions, too. It's seems like a quixotic process, as laid out on the meta page. The board members are to be selected by completely unstructured discussion, with consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems to allow for the discussion to r

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 February 2012 03:43, Béria Lima wrote: >> * Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia >> community to see?  * > > > The real names, obviously not. The usernames may be published - IF the > candidate has no problem with that. Last time, the chapters decided to kee

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 04:28, Risker wrote: > Thanks for letting us all know about this, Beria. > > So...a few questions. > > Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open > place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? > > Will the names of the candidates

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Heh, indeed. Whether the candidates are public outside the chapters or > not, if you are not ok with your real name being plastered all over > the place (fame! infamy! occasional random emails!) then being on the > board is probably not for you. > > -- phoebe > I would even say that for the c

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Risker wrote: > Thanks for your prompt responses, Beria.  I have a few follow-ups. > > On 31 January 2012 22:43, Béria Lima wrote: >> > >> > * Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia >> > community to see?  * >> >> >> The real names

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-01-31 Thread Risker
Thanks for your prompt responses, Beria. I have a few follow-ups. On 31 January 2012 22:43, Béria Lima wrote: > Hi Risker. let's go by question. > > *Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open > > place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? > > * >

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-01-31 Thread Béria Lima
Hi Risker. let's go by question. *Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open > place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? > * Everthing that is in Chapters wiki is replicated in meta. All the links in the Call for Candidates (CfC) are from meta. Eve

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-01-31 Thread Risker
Thanks for letting us all know about this, Beria. So...a few questions. Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia community to see? W

[Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-01-31 Thread Béria Lima
The Wikimedia chapters are seeking to appoint two candidates to sit on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for two years, starting 1 July 2012. The two new members of the board will help to decide the future direction of the world’s leading non-profit website. Wikimedia project are constru

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-01-31 Thread Béria Lima
Cross posting _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. * On 31 January 2012 22:05, Bé