Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 07/04/2010 03:40 AM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote: 1. Decision-making processes for development. Many of the large open source projects have core teams consisting of both paid and volunteer developers, and they typically have a decision-making process that is independent of any single

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Martin Maurer martinmaure...@gmail.com wrote: May I ask for an official Yes or No answer from the Foundation, please? I don't think it's reasonable to demand a yes or no answer to a vague hypothetical question. The answer might depend on the community's stated

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread William Pietri
On 07/04/2010 11:06 AM, David Gerard wrote: So I hereby admit to being wrong both in what I asked and how I asked it, and beg your forgiveness. And I bet you don't see people do that much on the Internet ;-) No, which makes it especially worth appreciating, on three levels. First, is

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2010 21:20, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: No, which makes it especially worth appreciating, on three levels. First, is says something good about the person. Second, it can really move a discussion along. And third, it serves as an example for future discussions, like

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-03 Thread William Pietri
On 07/03/2010 04:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: Well. not really. He's asking the same question Greg Maxwell and I asked last month about the language list defaulting to open rather than closed: If a wiki voted for it, would that override the usability team's dictates? That was a straight yes or

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2010 02:03, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 07/03/2010 04:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: Well. not really. He's asking the same question Greg Maxwell and I asked last month about the language list defaulting to open rather than closed: If a wiki voted for it, would that

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-03 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2010 02:03, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 07/03/2010 04:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: Well. not really. He's asking the same question Greg Maxwell and I asked last month about the language list

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-03 Thread William Pietri
On 07/03/2010 06:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: That's phrased in terms of dominance. It's in effect asking who's the bigger monkey. I think that's a conversation worth avoiding where possible. The dominance element was brought in, as you well know, by Trevor Parscal's preremptory

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-02 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/6/28 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: In this case, I would recommend a process of negotiation. Detail your concerns in Bugzilla, and give the developers time to respond to them. This is good advice. I want to add that there's something very unusual about the work that's been done

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please read what Tim wrote; he suggested for you to take time and not decide in a hurry to move away from vector. Effort will be concentrated on further development of vector and support for other skins will consequently be an afterthought. Expensive at that. When you choose to stick to

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Williamson
Gerard, I'm not sure such a condescending tone helps anybody. Also, I'm not sure you've understood the intent of Martin's post. I'm under the impression he'd only like to put off implementation of Vector in his community until some problems get worked out, not permanently. Besides, I think the

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-30 Thread Chad
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Effort will be concentrated on further development of vector and support for other skins will consequently be an afterthought. Expensive at that. {{fact}}? I know quite a bit of effort goes into maintaining

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-30 Thread Martin Maurer
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Please read what Tim wrote; he suggested for you to take time and not decide in a hurry to move away from vector. Yes, I read what Tim wrote, but I beg to differ on that suggestion and would like to explain

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-29 Thread Birgitte SB
--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Martin Maurer martinmaure...@gmail.com wrote: From: Martin Maurer martinmaure...@gmail.com Subject: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin? To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:11 PM Hello, I

[Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-28 Thread Martin Maurer
Hello, I posted this yesterday at wikitech-l and was told to ask this question here at foundation-l. I'm a member of the German language Wikipedia community and have a question that no-one could give me a definite answer to so far. I hope someone here can answer it, or point me to where I should

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-06-28 Thread Tim Starling
On 29/06/10 09:11, Martin Maurer wrote: The question is, what level of self-determination do the 260 language versions of Wikipedia have as to the design of their user interfaces (skins)? Can individual wikis choose independently modifications of their skins, and which of the available skins