Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Ray Saintonge
Noein wrote: Oh Kubla Khan! Jorge Luis Borges was fond of the palace's story and the poem. Thank you for your hard work. Given Borges's English ancestry among the erudites of the Haslam family it would not surprise me to find Coleridge walking in that door. Ray

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Ray Saintonge
geni wrote: On 22 June 2010 01:25, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jeffrey Peters wrote: Both rewrites/expansions can be found on Simple Wikipedia, a project that is noble and deserves more involvement by the community as a whole:

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Dear List, My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit. I am writing to you today to announce the donation of two fully written pages on two important poems of the

[Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Teofilo
News from the front. A very bad and unfair unbalance of power was established in favor of English on Wikimedia Commons in 2005-2006, requiring people from the world to work for the benefit of the English language community. In that ocean of unfairness, there was a small island where you could

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread wiki-list
teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: I have discovered a few days ago that someone, probably in good faith and unaware of this language policy, created [[:Category:Animals by common named groups]] which is a container for English-named biological taxa, at the end of 2008. There is a major problem

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you think that Commons is bad in supporting other languages, try to find pictures of a horse on the internet in other languages like Estonian, Nepalese ... It is not the same at all as when you are looking for images in English. Commons has the advantage that many Wikipedias refer to a

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread AGK
On 22 June 2010 01:05, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently working on my dissertation (dealing with Romantic poetry) and in addition Masters in Classical Lit [snip] Both rewrites/expansions can be found on

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2010 14:06, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: There is a major problem with latin names in a number of taxa. It seems that if tehre are 5 consecutive wet days in Summer a couple of researchers put their heads together and concoct new names, move things about, split, or combine

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Jeffrey Peters
Dear Ray Saintonge, Not one bit of those articles constitutes original research. It is 100% cited to highly reliable third party sources. They are exact summaries of thousands of pages of source material. Furthermore, Simple English is about the use of simple language to convey encyclopedic

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread wiki-list
dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2010 14:06, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: There is a major problem with latin names in a number of taxa. It seems that if tehre are 5 consecutive wet days in Summer a couple of researchers put their heads together and concoct new names, move

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Jeffrey Peters
Dear AGK, I think it is safe to say that I have always been an outsider at Wikipedia. Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, AGK wiki...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2010 01:05, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: My name is Jeffrey

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2010 15:20, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The common name in any language has more stability as far as the lay person is concerned. the lay person shouldn't have to first find the latin name of an organism when looking it up:

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

2010-06-22 Thread Jeffrey Peters
Dear Ray Saintonge, Not one bit of those articles constitutes original research. It is 100% cited to highly reliable third party sources. They are exact summaries of thousands of pages of source material. Furthermore, Simple English is about the use of simple language to convey encyclopedic

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 June 2010 15:45, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2010 15:20,  wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The common name in any language has more stability as far as the lay person is concerned. the lay person shouldn't have to first find the latin name of an organism when

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread David Goodman
I'd think he category can be renamed as common names (English) and similar ones be made for the other languages. It'd not jut s matter of redirection--there are many instances where some languages do, and some do not, have a common name. I think there are also cases where in one language a common

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: When you think that Commons is bad in supporting other languages, try to find pictures of a horse on the internet in other languages like Estonian, Nepalese ... It is not the same at all as when you are looking

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread geni
On 22 June 2010 17:32, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: When you think that Commons is bad in supporting other languages, try to find pictures of a horse on the internet in other languages like Estonian,

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Bence Damokos
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: When you think that Commons is bad in supporting other languages, try to find pictures of a horse on the internet in other languages like

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:42 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: In practice pulling up the wikipedia article on horse in your language will cover most cases. There is a fairly good argument to be made that wikipedia is

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Bence Damokos
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.comwrote: I would consider this state as a poor reflection on Commons' accessibility. Especially as Google image search (imho, the likeliest avenue of searching for images) gives 130 000 pictures of horses on Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Aphaia
I know a horse, but yesterday it took for me five minutes to remember sparrows were the bird's name I would have liked to mention. . It helps to make this discussion helpful to some extent that native English speakers remind it is sometimes not so easy as you the native expect foreign learners.

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Don't most Internet users know enough English to be able to search for pictures of a horse in English? (According to Wikipedia (

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Mark Williamson
In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name for a horse, but what are

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Bence Damokos
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Don't most Internet users know enough English to be able to search for pictures

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread wiki-list
Mark Williamson wrote: In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Mark Williamson
If we consider that current English native speakers mostly already have internet and those without internet are likelier than not to be non-English speakers I would be careful to advocate the unilateral use of English. As would I, though I don't think you mean what you said. Why not? To

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-22 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote:  While I appreciate the efforts to encourage wider partici- pation, IMHO we should make sure that we keep the quality of our products and our human resources in mind. No edits at all may be better than one edit in

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-22 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I like (and support) most of all the following wording ... there's a lot to be said for being motivated enough to do it that you learn the systems without any help, becoming a part of the community the way most of us did. But just relying on those mechanisms does restrict our editor base a

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread John Doe
Since I'm a fairly active programmer, I have some code sitting around. If I can get some support on commons with regards to templates (something that gives me nightmares) I could probably get a translation matrix program up and running within 24-48 hours. I would just need to figure out a good

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread John Doe
the basic translation matrix is in place, here is how you say horse in as many languages as you can: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%CE%94/Sandboxoldid=40748125 John On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm a fairly active

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-22 Thread Milos Rancic
I've started page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_encourage_participation Feel free to add your ideas. If the page with the same idea exists elsewhere -- let's say at Strategy Wiki -- please merge pages and let the list know. ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Samuel Klein
Very nice. I'd like to see such translation tools used to enhance the tags used to identify an image, so that all internet searches can find images by those tags. SJ On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:51 PM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: the basic translation matrix is in place, here is

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh, this function is very interesting. If it were coupled with a function to get synonyms and metonyms (ie, equidae, mount) as a proposal to enlarge or explore a concept, then a semantic map would be created to navigate Commons in all languages. Maybe

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/22/2010 08:07 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: I would consider this state as a poor reflection on Commons' accessibility. Especially as Google image search (imho, the likeliest avenue of searching for images) gives 130 000 pictures of horses on Commons if searched in English, zero if searched