, I'm back on monday. I hop there
can be an _useful_ discussion, with thinking people and not people
acting on impulses.
Peter Gervai
Hungary
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Just a few sidenotes now.
2009/6/5 Mark (Markie) newsmar...@googlemail.com:
There are a few issues with this. Devs have access to logs on WMF servers,
not random external servers.
This is a good suggestion, basically you say that I should request the
foundation to provide me a server inside
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 17:26, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be a simple matter of programming to have something that
allows upload of encumbered video and audio formats and re-encode them
as Ogg Theora or Ogg Vorbis.
As a technical sidenote, it should be mentioned that recoding
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 14:54, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yeah. But until cameras or phones start recording Ogg Theora
natively, we're likely stuck with this.
As another tidbit, I have a music player (mp3 player) which records
and plays ogg (not Theora though). :-)
But you're
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 03:31, Chen Minqicnchenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, the software [1] they may use, does not block Wikipedia yet. I think
Doesn't seem to matter as it is told to be updated remotely. It may
block anything in any minute for no reason whatsoever.
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 00:54, mastimast...@gmail.com wrote:
current level of sophistication of translation tools, especialy of
languages that do not belog to the same group as english, german,
french, etc. is completely useless.
Let me disagree. Hungarian is not in the same group by far, and
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 03:15, Platonidesplatoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Although not trivial, downloading all images is in fact quite easy. You
can find scripts to do that already made. You can also ask Brion to
rsync3 them.
But do you have enough space to dedicate?
How many wikis do you want to
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 15:01, Jimmy Xuxu.jimmy@gmail.com wrote:
So that is, due to P.R. of China Copyright Law, text that published in
newspapers, periodicals, radio and TV stations and other media
reported the news of the simple fact are not copyrighted. But I cannot
find these exception
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:01, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote:
[1]. The Battle Over Who Owns Bus Arrival Times:
So why should a local squabble cause such a paranoid panic?
Cos they're living in the United States of Litigations? ;-)
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 13:26, Amir E. Aharoniamir.ahar...@gmail.com wrote:
But it's even better not to push OGG through a committee, but to make
it the de-facto standard by just using it as much as possible and
recommending Wikipedia readers to install a browser that supports it.
And like it
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote:
Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site
would be
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/;
That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote:
There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about
identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can
simply define an URI like Wikipedia:My article or perhaps cc:nn
Not very much
Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to
donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia
rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If
they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow
photographers
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 17:43, Sage Rossragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hold up! This is User:Jerry Avenaim, and he has contributed some of
his low-resolution photographs, and even a higher-resolution one of
Mark Marmon that is a Featured Picture on en-wiki.
Thanks for the info, for I
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:05, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Peter Gervai wrote:
Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time
while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by
making it public.
This may come as a shock to you but its not about
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:02, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote:
It's hard to replace an open collaborative process,
On the contrary. I believe most of us cannot concentrate working power
(human resources) to, say, 5 full-fledged knowledge recording
community. Most people tend to have a
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:48, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
The number of people available is not limited to the current number.
As well as the current number isn't stable. :-) People come and go,
sink in wikipedia or get wikistress and go away.
There are many potential
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 22:57, James Forresterja...@jdforrester.org wrote:
Oh, and someone told me to do this, but unfortunately I'm not allowed
to say who instructed me so to do.
Must've been The Voices.
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...still, I have to acknowledge that money is the root of Evil, and
it's getting harder and harder as these dollar bills start to pile up
where do they go and why...
...the reports get more and more vague, the report items get more and
more broad, and at the end we start to see hundreds of those
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:36, Marcus Buckm...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
necessary steps in six weeks. Tisza/hu.wp have done what they needed to
do: File a bug at Bugzilla. If the coordination would work properly that
should suffice to get the job done. It didn't. He searched to directly
contact
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is fair to say that no language belongs to a country, it
belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 08:59, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
When you say that _is_ the _moldovan_ language... how does Cyrillic
writing make it not Moldovan anymore?
On the contarary: latin script make it not Moldovan language anymore.
It's like saying old english (non latin script)
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 09:08, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
If your language is called Romanian,
As a sidenote I observe a strong tension between The Romanian People
and others related to the country but separated from it, or got
involved its history. Often I see violent desire to
Mark,
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely
historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for
schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria.
I acknowledge that, but what do
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 07:04, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the previous consensus was that this project was to be moved
to a different domain - although outright deletion has been suggested
by quite a few people I can't see where that was ever agreed to.
Stats briefing:
51
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 08:29, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
It certainly should, ideally, be the same Wikipedia - in my opinion
the ideal situation would have a converter on ro.wp. However, I don't
think most Romanian Wikipedians would approve of this (as I mentioned
earlier in the
By the way Hungary supports accented domains for some years now and
the experience shows that they are not used at all. Penetration is so
low that I couldn't even tell you one to test.
(We have, for example http://wikipédia.hu/, but it's rather a test
than a real usage.)
Apart from that
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 08:02, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
The Hungarian Wikipedia is written in the Latin script
I'm kind of guessed that. :-]
so the experience cannot be compared.
It is not the same, but indeed they can be compared. Straight denial
doesn't always
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia.
How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:00, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm more raising the issue that what could be child pornography remains
available to wmf volunteers with 'oversight' op.s on commons - I don't think
HHOKyou wanna get the only fun from poor oversights, naughty
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:01, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
I can second the WikiReader! But yes: we do not charge for access to
our content. Both the sites and the database dumps are usable without
any charges, and have been since inception. If people want to do things
with that
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 18:42, Cetateanu Moldovanu
cetatean...@gmail.com yelled at Brion...
You shoot yourself in the foot with style.
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On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 18:37, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I hope it gets implemented as soon as possible
because once it does maybe people can see its failure and start thinking
about some real solutions.
Are you aware of the fact that it's been used in non-English
wikipedias for
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:36, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you aware of the fact that it's been used in non-English
wikipedias for years? And it's been quite a successful feature.
Years is a bit of an exaggeration. German Wikipedia was first and
that was May 6, 2008.
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 04:26, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're misconstruing who is doing what here. The Foundation is not
the person required to send the counter notice, nor do they have the
freedom or the obligation to involve themselves in a copyright dispute
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 03:03, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
That would require a Sanger/Wales collaboration.
Hah! That'd be the day! ;-)
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On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:37, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
The only catch is that by filing the counter-notice you are putting your
money where your mouth is and legally asserting that you have the right
to post the work (so make sure that this is correct or you may end up in
a
occasion? Aren't they willing?
Peter Gervai writes:
Or we can reasonably expect them to ask for real legal advice from (or
paid by) the WMF and _then_ accept the _known_ risk to file a
counter-notice.
What happens if they follow the legal advice from WMF and then face
liability anyway
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 17:25, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote many things.
My sidenote is that if you believe in what you say then you imply
Wikipedia, Wikimedia and everything we have with 'wiki' string in it,
and every method we use which described as 'wiki-way of web
publishing'
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:30, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
A few of us noticed this several days back. If you check some
of the blacklists, lists.wikimedia.org seems to have some people's
naughty list. Don't know if that's whats causing it or not though.
It usually does, but right
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion
that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke
throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss of feeling of
self-worth. I don't think
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 21:31, Rich Holton richhol...@gmail.com wrote:
Please, someone confirm for me that he was not put on moderation because of
his views, but rather because of his behavior!
Definitely for his language. There are people with simlarly radical
views unmoderated. :-)
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On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 08:17, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote:
As Andrew pointed out, this discussion has spiraled entirely outside the
scope of this list. Discussions on the effects of copyright law with regard
to Wikimedia and its projects are welcome. General discussions on
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
It would take a major effort to get individual wiki communities to
And by that you mean communities on enwp? :-)
People bite everywhere, and the reasons are the same as well, as you
properly pointed out. Enpw is the largest so
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:55, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I also don't understand who would want a printed copy of a Wikipedia
article.
Me neither, but if some people want it, why not.
Like:
- to show non-internet people that that wikipedia thing is not
another
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:06, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
So the real issue here shouldn't be whether any other book binder is
comparable, but rather whether any other book binder *wants* to be listed.
Right on spot. Does any? Are there any others?
I'm for listing them all.
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html
It is not a bad article. Basically tells the company to establish
their presence, to join the general work on Wikipedia, and start a
short article and let the
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:35, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
(Any cases I've missed there?)
The madmen. Or is that overlaying both? :)
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2011/1/5 Виктория mstisla...@gmail.com:
You can compare Flagged Revvs to Soviet Union, after all, Jaron Lanier is
etc.
I guess that the original poster has a point: we use external services
which may or may not be trivial to change or update.
It is not important which country, group or whatever
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 18:44, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
My point Fred, is there is no such animal. So calling something a private
website is redundant, since all websites are private, there are no public
websites. Certainly there are websites owned by governments, but they are
not public in
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:46, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Re the idea of informing BLP subjects that we have a biography on them.
Most LPs would read such email as a request for editing, which is
basically removing negative parts (regardless of its sourcing) and
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:37, Анатолій Гончаров
ah...@wikimediaukraine.org.ua wrote:
My bot was invited: user AHbot
Does he (she?) have an opinion? :)
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:56, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
use case for a project like Knol, which was advertised as Wikipedia
killer once, but didn't grow much.
Minor note: as far as I know, *no-one* from Knol/Google ever claimed
it had anything to do with WIkipedia. The entire
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:24, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
In such cases, as an Israeli saying goes, i am right, but i am not
clever. It hurts that person and it hurts the project, because that
person may otherwise be a very valuable contributor and such things
often
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:13, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
What was it that lasted only a minute, Chris?
Vandalism, probably. I've read an article that vandalism lasts about a minute!
Impossible. I'm sure one minute has passed but I still see vandalism
occasionally. :-)
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:15, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/6/17 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:24, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I am not sure it is a valuable contributor who do not accept the base
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:03, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
The web itself is passé
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-facebook-vs-the-rest-of-the-web-2011-6
Actually, we missed the boat, but that ship sailed long ago.
That is funny, I like statistics. Like, how can
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 17:43, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the
well wikipedia is about to create value for long term - social
networks are about to create worthless things for the moment.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:12, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/27/2011 01:07 PM, emijrp wrote:
If you create a way to sync images partially (let's say, the base
letters inside of the directory structure), a couple of dozens of
Wikimedians could create a couple of dozens of
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 08:26, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
2. Million Books Project http://www.ulib.org/
LOTS of copyrighted and dubious content, by random checking.
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 13:04, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
The Million Book Project is a bit better, but they often don't include
sufficient metadata and I've seen many works with a year of
publication that is post 1950 yet pre-1923 is used as the public
domain justification.
Or
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:46, Thomas Morton
morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
This a serious and urgent problem; and the foundation need to look into it
quickly.
In no circumstances should Wikipedia users be receiving copies of other
people's identity documents - it is a privacy nightmare!
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 19:18, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
The next question becomesand what does this trusted person do with the
information? If it is destroyed promptly, then there's really not much
point; if it is retained, I'd like to see how this meets local and EU
privacy
Well I guess that people get blocked by good reasons and along with
policies, and they would stay blocked. No need to send anything to
anyone, they stay blocked, everything's normal.
If someone want to have an extreme exception and want to show a good
reason to be extremely exeptionaly handled
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 22:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 July 2011 21:28, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
We're not saying it's illegal.
He just said that. I did not reply to your statements. :-)
We're saying it's grossly unfit for
Wikimedia and laughs at the privacy
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 23:10, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm thinking more of whether or not it is retained, and precisely how it is
retained. Is it kept in a locked box somewhere? Sitting on someone's desk?
Accessible to other individuals?
Which is clearly the good way to ask the
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:38, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
A comprehensive fork would probably need ad revenue more than the WMF
unless it has deep pockets to get it going.
I don't think this is a requirement. Wikipedia have to support
enormous amount of traffic while a fork don't
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:08, Tobias Oelgarte
tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
introduce the feature.
I believe it is a fair assumption that we have
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:23, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it is a fair assumption that we have voted for developing
the feature,
Citation needed.
Well I am the universally official source for my own beliefs.
But then you state that WMF will make it compulsory for all
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:31, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 September 2011 10:27, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:23, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it is a fair assumption that we have voted for developing
the feature
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 04:05, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
as I did. We both spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always
up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small
proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for
everyone.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 06:35, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone please correct the following errors in the English
Wikipedia's blackout notice?
Just a foreigner sidenote: we got the notice about SOPA and PIPA which
does not start by defining, or even linking to what SOPA and
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 03:35, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
By far the majority of people who come up and buck the system or
challenge established knowledge in this manner are, in fact, kooks or
people with an agenda. This started - as others have pointed out -
with a few
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 09:32, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
Jokes aside :) the problem here is exemplary of what Wikipedia *doesn't* do
well, which is to find ways to assess the legitimacy of not-yet-legitimised
knowledge - whether the 'truth' is new analysis backed up by serious
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:52, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
The UK Parliament's Joint Committee on Privacy and Injunctions is due to
release its report shortly.
Evidence submitted to it over the past months is now available online on
the UK Parliament's website, at
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