Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Hmm I am not so sure: The chip in your own card There is no chip in my ATM card,

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
does anyone else here use IceCat or LibreJS and believe that donating to the Builder campaign via Indiegogo is unethical due to its use of obfuscated Javascipt? That's not quite what I said. The act of donating is not unethical. Running that nonfree software hurts you, but no one

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
1) Which bank is used for keeping/receiving money for FSF?. I'd rather not give out that information. 2) Are you sure that any kind of nonfree software is not used for anyone in the bank? Used for anyone in the bank is not ordinary English usage and I can only guess what meaning you

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I wrote: IndieGoGo has an ethical problem: to donate requires running nonfree

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
I generally take these things step by step. Explaining the problem (with supporting Builder through Indiegogo) is the first step. Solving it (finding another way) is the next step. I expect that some of the people on this list already know the situation with Builder and could quickly propose

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Victor Toso
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:31 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: I also support putting a banner on Planet GNOME. Meg +1 (25 days left) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Magdalen Berns
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Are we considering not linking to this fundraiser because it is hosted on a website that uses non-free software? That depends what you mean by considering. Several people are arguing vigorously against that idea,

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Alberto Ruiz
I would _really_ appreciate if you guys held a discussion about things that quite frankly don't have anything to do with my original question in a different thread. Thank you. 2015-01-03 3:21 GMT+00:00 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org: Hi, On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Magdalen Berns

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
Hi, On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Hmm I am not so sure: The chip in your own card will be programmed with non-free software technically the transaction can't work unless the ATM is reading that. For the ATM to read your chip you are required you

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
Are we considering not linking to this fundraiser because it is hosted on a website that uses non-free software? That depends what you mean by considering. Several people are arguing vigorously against that idea, but nobody proposed it and nobody advocates it. The issue I've raised is not

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Alberto Ruiz
My question was if someone was against it. Some people is against any website with obfuscated javascript (a concern and a discussion worth the while from a FOSS perspective I think, but beyond practical in this context), there seems to be consensus that supporting this campaign is the right thing.

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
[I deleted my normal message to the NSA and FBI out of consideration for the people on this list who report feeling annoyed by it] If are you really concerned about people using non free software, you should take everything in consideration, no? It would be a mistake to take everything in

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-02 Thread Alexandre Franke
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Can someone tell me the URL of the Builder project's own site? Here it is: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Builder/ -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-01 Thread meg ford
I also support putting a banner on Planet GNOME. Meg On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Oh dear. On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Fabiano Fidêncio fabi...@fidencio.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Alexandre Franke

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-01 Thread Magdalen Berns
Oh dear. On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Fabiano Fidêncio fabi...@fidencio.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Fabiano Fidêncio fabi...@fidencio.org wrote: Can you be more explicit about what you

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-01 Thread Alexandre Franke
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Fabiano Fidêncio fabi...@fidencio.org wrote: Can you be more explicit about what you mean with tools used to do your/the bank transactions run nonfree software AFAIU, when you do a bank transfer, the job responsible for your transaction will be executed in the

Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO

2015-01-01 Thread Fabiano Fidêncio
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Fabiano Fidêncio fabi...@fidencio.org wrote: 4) If not, considering that your bank have some people running nonfree software, should not we close the bank account once we would