Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-29 Thread Julien Puydt
john palmieri a écrit : On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: The way forward seems clear to me - the membership committee decides what counting method will be used, announces it, and we count the election according to that means. There doesn't need to be a

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-29 Thread Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 15:38 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Dave Neary wrote: A small correction to explain exactly how random transfers work: In count 1, Vincent has 60 votes, they're shoved into a stack. The top 33 votes from the stack get redistributed in count 2. So the phrase vote

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-29 Thread Luis Villa
Neither california law nor our own various legal documents have anything substantive to say on the issue. Luis (not a lawyer; this is not legal advice) On Jun 29, 2009 4:03 AM, Andy Tai a...@atai.org wrote: Is it legal according to California law that the membership committee can decide the

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-29 Thread john palmieri
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Julien Puydt jpu...@gnome.org wrote: john palmieri a écrit : On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: The way forward seems clear to me - the membership committee decides what counting method will be used, announces it, and we

GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-28 Thread Tobias Mueller
Dear Foundation Members :) The GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee is pleased to announce preliminary results for the Board of Directors. The preliminary results announced on 2009-06-24 are not going to be validated whatsoever. Instead, these preliminary results will be validated

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-27 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: I disagree, afaik we just directly re-used the code received from maemo.org through you (iirc). Which in your March elections used this same system: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-March/002139.html There are 2 things here: the election

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: I too think the election committee should just decide. (From board discussions, I'm pretty confident they wanted to do it however Maemo does it, but at this point I think the election committee should decide.) I'd replace decide with clarify here - it's clear there

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, A small correction to explain exactly how random transfers work: Filippo Argiolas wrote: - with Random Transfer, 20 ballots are picked randomly (assuming those 60 votes are already random you can just pick last 20 received, first 20, or more complex randomizing methods). The thing is that

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Dave Neary wrote: A small correction to explain exactly how random transfers work: Well, actually, I just found out from the OpenSTV guys, that how Filippo said is how they work. In count 1, Vincent has 60 votes, they're shoved into a stack. The top 33 votes from the stack get

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 19:22 +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote: 2009/6/26 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi, Dave Neary wrote: A small correction to explain exactly how random transfers work: Well, actually, I just found out from the OpenSTV guys, that how Filippo said is how they work.

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread john palmieri
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: I too think the election committee should just decide. (From board discussions, I'm pretty confident they wanted to do it however Maemo does it, but at this point I think the election committee

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-26 Thread Bruno Boaventura
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:11 AM, Dave Nearydne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi Tobias, Tobias Mueller wrote: These results can be challenged by sending an e-mail to electi...@gnome.org. The challenges have to be sent before Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 23:59 UTC. Please note that these results should not

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Michael Meeks
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 10:11 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: You just announced the results based on first-past-the-post, when the elections were to be run using preferential voting, with single transferable vote and fractional surplus transfer. Ah ! the famous 'Meek' method (no relation);

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread john palmieri
Is it really fair if people can't agree on how it works? Seems to go against the GNOME principle of simplicity by adding more choices to fix some of the issues of voting. I'm all for making things more fair but I'm not sure the complexity actually fixes things or hides the issues under a layer

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, john palmieri wrote: Is it really fair if people can't agree on how it works? Seems to go against the GNOME principle of simplicity by adding more choices to fix some of the issues of voting. I'm all for making things more fair but I'm not sure the complexity actually fixes things or

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Stormy Peters
I too think the election committee should just decide. (From board discussions, I'm pretty confident they wanted to do it however Maemo does it, but at this point I think the election committee should decide.) Stormy On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: On

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Dan Winship
On 06/25/2009 12:30 PM, john palmieri wrote: If it is a disagreement on how votes should be counted then the vote is flawed and I propose we have a runoff between the candidates who were on one list but not the other. I'm not terribly familiar with STV and its variations, but it seems to me

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Is it just not a good year to have elections? :) behdad On 06/25/2009 12:30 PM, john palmieri wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, The way forward seems clear to me - the membership committee decides what

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Filippo Argiolas
2009/6/25 john palmieri john.j5.palmi...@gmail.com: Is it really fair if people can't agree on how it works?  Seems to go against the GNOME principle of simplicity by adding more choices to fix some of the issues of voting.  I'm all for making things more fair but I'm not sure the complexity

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread john palmieri
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: On 06/25/2009 12:30 PM, john palmieri wrote: If it is a disagreement on how votes should be counted then the vote is flawed and I propose we have a runoff between the candidates who were on one list but not the other.

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-24 Thread Frederic Peters
Tobias Mueller wrote: If the results are not challenged, then the elected directors will be: Behdad Esfahbod Brian Cameron Diego Escalante Urrelo Germán Póo-Caamaño Jorge Castro Lucas Rocha Vincent Untz Some figures about the votes: there were

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Pascal Terjan wrote: Let's imagine that 8 people vote 1/ Candidate A 2/ Candidate B, and 2 people vote 1/ Candidate B Then A will have 8 votes and B will have 10 votes but 8 people will prefer A while only 2 will prefer B so A should be elected even if he has less votes No - A will have

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Tobias, Tobias Mueller wrote: These results can be challenged by sending an e-mail to electi...@gnome.org. The challenges have to be sent before Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 23:59 UTC. Please note that these results should not be considered final until any such challenges have been resolved.

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-24 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Le mercredi 24 juin 2009, à 10:11 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit : The table on this results page shows the results with random transfer STV. When this was discussed over at Maemo, it was proposed agreed that we should use the more accurate fractional transfer STV, since running random

GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-23 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hey everyone :) The GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee is pleased to announce the preliminary results for the Board of Directors. We strongly encourage everyone to look at the detailed results to verify their ballot. You can also run the software used to count the results to

Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-23 Thread Jonathan Blandford
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 03:11 +0200, Tobias Mueller wrote: Candidates in order of votes received, with affiliations: Vincent Untz (60 votes) - Novell, Inc. Behdad Esfahbod(56 votes) - Red Hat Germán Póo-Caamaño (20 votes) - None Brian