Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
I highly doubt being an OPW mentor will increase the likelihood of my ending up in court. I think that is not in question here. The point is that if a big organisation who can afford to get sued is not willing to take a risk, why should an individual volunteer be *explicitly* asked to do

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-10 Thread Benjamin Berg
On So, 2014-11-09 at 23:09 -0500, Karen Sandler wrote: This is really mundane: I agreed to a more restrictive indemnification than this by simply reading CNN.com today. So has anybody who's ever used Skype, or Flash, or Facebook. (Seriously, check the ToS of Facebook or CNN, the two I

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@punkrocklawyer.com wrote: On 2014-11-10 05:45, Magdalen Berns wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@punkrocklawyer.com wrote: On 2014-11-09 20:23, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 18:48 +,

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-10 Thread Karen Sandler
On 2014-11-10 04:38, Magdalen Berns wrote: I highly doubt being an OPW mentor will increase the likelihood of my ending up in court. I think that is not in question here. The point is that if a big organisation who can afford to get sued is not willing to take a risk, why should an individual

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-10 Thread meg ford
Hi, These contracts are very standard in the US. Some examples form local nonprofits in Chicago: 1. Habitat for Humanity https://www.windycityhabitat.org/uploads/files/WCHFH_Release_Waiver.pdf 2. Pumping Station:One https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/images/Liability-waiver.pdf 3. Friends of the

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-09 Thread Benjamin Berg
Hello Magdalen, On Sa, 2014-11-08 at 14:43 +, Magdalen Berns wrote: I think it's fair to assume volunteers can't really afford to pay individual liability cover for volunteer work and perhaps that they should not be asked to pay for it either since they are making valuable regular

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-09 Thread Magdalen Berns
I do not think Jan is thinking coherently on this (and likewise I absolutely empathise with your concerns Benjamin) Civil law is not black and white and it is totally by landmark cases of which there are none to refer to in this case that we know of. Ultimately, none of us know if the wording on

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-09 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 18:48 +, Magdalen Berns wrote: The challenges the OPW organisers face is in figuring out how to encourage projects and mentors to sign up and yet also protect GNOME from a potential lawsuit in the event that things go horribly wrong as a result of something that may

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-08 Thread Magdalen Berns
Hi Benjamin, You raise an interesting point. Back when I was freelancing as an audio engineer I used to pay for this kind of cover myself and it costed around £130 a year for an individual. The work I do for my charity (Scottish based) is covered by the charity as are our disclosures (for

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-08 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi. [dropping d-d-l] On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 10:46:13PM +0100, Benjamin Berg wrote: On Sa, 2014-09-27 at 11:45 -0400, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: Yes. The legal liability is only for gross negligence, recklessness or intentional wrongdoing. This is covered on

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-11-03 Thread Benjamin Berg
Hi, On Sa, 2014-09-27 at 11:45 -0400, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: Yes. The legal liability is only for gross negligence, recklessness or intentional wrongdoing. This is covered on https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen#Contracts OK, I am very late to the thread, but I did read trough

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-09-29 Thread Germán Poo-Caamaño
...@gnome.org To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Cc: GNOME Foundation foundation-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM Subject: Re: Call for OPW project ideas On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 23:48 -0400

OPW mentor agreement (was Re: Call for OPW project ideas)

2014-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Germán Poo-Caamaño asked: Will the mentors still be required to sign a document that makes them legally liable? On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 11:45 -0400, Marina Zhurakhinskaya replied: Yes. The legal liability is only for gross negligence, recklessness or intentional wrongdoing. This is covered

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-09-29 Thread Karen Sandler
- From: Germán Poo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Cc: GNOME Foundation foundation-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM Subject: Re: Call for OPW project ideas

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-09-27 Thread Germán Poo-Caamaño
On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 23:48 -0400, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: Dear Foundation, The application process for the new round of Outreach Program for Women internships has recently started, and we are looking for people willing to mentor GNOME projects in this round. Because we only usually

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-09-27 Thread Marina Zhurakhinskaya
- Original Message - From: Germán Poo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Cc: GNOME Foundation foundation-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM Subject: Re: Call for OPW project

Re: Call for OPW project ideas

2014-09-27 Thread Marina Zhurakhinskaya
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:23:34 AM Subject: Re: Call for OPW project ideas On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 23:48 -0400, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: Dear Foundation, The application process for the new round of Outreach Program for Women internships has recently started