I dont think there is a problem in the community to be honest
whilst some people do have strong opinions and there are indeed factions
within gnome which can be very vocal, I dont think anyone can say gnome
has truly poisonous and destructive people.
Sure some poeple can come across as arrogant
john palmieri wrote:
The board should not mire itself in conflict resolution like this, just
like it does not make technical decitions. The boards role is to obtain
and distribute resources and make sure those resources are used in
efficent ways. That is enormous power as it is. Giving
Jamie McCracken says:
I dont think there is a problem in the community to be honest
I think that the most serious problem facing the community right now
is our budget. With the added expenses of having more employees, we
really need to figure out how to be more frugal, find new sources of
Le dimanche 31 mai 2009, à 09:42 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit :
So, I've detailed my vision, with two major changes:
- include foundation members in the daily running of the foundation by
having the majority of board business happen in the open on
foundation-list, including having the working
Hi,
john palmieri wrote:
I'm of the same mind here. There are a number of people who I don't
like to read on blogs and whatnot but I would rather us as a community
figure out productive ways of dealing with it as opposed to lording our
own views over those who don't have as much pull in the
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 13:43 +, Benjamin Otte wrote:
I have a problem here. I am not sure I have a clear idea of what type
of
interaction is causing these issues.
I don't know what triggered the discussion this time either, so this
might be totally irrelevant:
We do have a real problem
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:59:47AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
reasons why they might happen.
Ignoring the rest, I'll just share my thoughts on ability to discuss
things on mailing lists.
Let me be as clear as possible:
There are people in our community who are losing faith in the
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 12:30 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 11:04 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
[snip]
Just look at the replies from people: there's an almost unanimous
agreement that our community is doing just fine. Why are you trying to
fix anything? There is no problem. Is
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Dave Neary a écrit :
I believe that these people should have a group that they can turn to,
argue their points, and ask for that group to do something about it.
Doing something about it, doesn't necessarily mean going the police route.
Things are
Hi Dave,
2009/6/2 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org:
Hi,
john palmieri wrote:
I'm of the same mind here. There are a number of people who I don't like
to read on blogs and whatnot but I would rather us as a community figure out
productive ways of dealing with it as opposed to lording our own
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
Hi,
john palmieri wrote:
I'm of the same mind here. There are a number of people who I don't like
to read on blogs and whatnot but I would rather us as a community figure out
productive ways of dealing with it as opposed
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 05:13:44PM -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
On 06/02/2009 05:56 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
- just doing something (infrastructure) is*way* better than trying to
discuss it on d-d-l. No idea why, maybe because I explain it badly,
but I view discussing things on d-d-l as
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 11:04 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
Dave's ten steps mean that as soon as you refuse to publicly apologize
for insert something undefinable, his foundation board will kick you
and your project out of GNOME.
My ten steps were, as I pointed out, a list of measures which
Hi,
Philip Van Hoof wrote:
You publicly embarrassed an individual at item number two. And no, you
can't make your item number two look any better by trying to escape it.
snip
The person will hate you, will hate the board and will start persuading
other people to join him. And for many
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 13:06 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
snip
Here's the nut of the issue.
I want the board to protect people from being shouted down by people who
disagree with them.
You want the board to not make waves among the shouters.
I think an ombudsman wouldn't be a bad idea.
Stormy Peters stormy.peters at gmail.com writes:
I too have found the GNOME community to be extremely welcoming. I got met at
my first GUADEC in 2001 with You're a girl! from a very excited woman
manning the registration desk.But I can't ignore the fact that people are
leaving our
I'm of the same mind here. There are a number of people who I don't like to
read on blogs and whatnot but I would rather us as a community figure out
productive ways of dealing with it as opposed to lording our own views over
those who don't have as much pull in the community. Red tape and
Philip,
Sometimes people say inappropriate things in inappropriate tones on GNOME
forums, irc, mailing lists, blogs, etc. Right now, the community just lets
them. We don't enforce our Standards of Conduct.
Dave was pointing out what we do have the power to do something about it. If
we decide to
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 07:33 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
Sometimes people say inappropriate things in inappropriate tones on
GNOME forums, irc, mailing lists, blogs, etc. Right now, the community
just lets them. We don't enforce our Standards of Conduct.
Dave was pointing out what we do have
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 07:47 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
[CUT]
But I think we are still arguing over whether or not we have a
problem ... (and I really wish we were talking about Dave's original
email - what would you like to see from the Foundation because I for
one would really like to
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote:
[...]
We are trying to fix a non-existing problem.
I dont know about the rest of you but for me this is a
touchy emotional subject, its really painful, and we all
did go through it before, it died with this Code of
Dave Neary wrote:
I have said that the foundation has a role to enable people to attend
conferences. In the special case of GUADEC, we are very generous in
that role. But I think we've been too generous - just because we are
enabling someone to attend a conference doesn't mean we should pay
On 31/05/2009, at 11:28 AM, Glynn Foster wrote:
On 31/05/2009, at 6:53 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Waugh#Criticism
I'm rather stunned by this entry. I don't believe Jeff deserves this
treatment, nor do I think it's a healthy thing to encourage (a
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 07:33:07AM -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
Sometimes people say inappropriate things in inappropriate tones on GNOME
forums, irc, mailing lists, blogs, etc. Right now, the community just lets
them. We don't enforce our Standards of Conduct.
That is somewhat overstated:
1. I
So my freedom of speech comment was not well written.
I do think anyone has the right to say what they want, but if they want to
be heard they have to think about their tone. (I was trying to explain why
someone might want to moderate their tone even if they think it's ok.) I
don't think
2009/5/30 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com:
So my freedom of speech comment was not well written.
I do think anyone has the right to say what they want, but if they want to
be heard they have to think about their tone. (I was trying to explain why
someone might want to moderate their
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Tristan Van Berkom t...@gnome.org wrote:
Im taking it that the majority of this discomfort is coming from the
planet website
as opposed to the official mailing lists or the mailing lists of
important projects.
Well nobody is coming out and saying if it is
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
That's exactly correct. Another term for it is 'volunteer'. :) You're
certainly welcome to volunteer to improve it yourself, of course.
It's far beneath her abilities, but can't you delegate the
minutes-taking to our paid employee?
--
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 18:25 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
I think that the foundation should be more involved in conflict
resolution and policing the tone of the community.
I have talked to too many people who don't read pgo, or have turned off
individual blogs, don't use IRC any more, or avoid
Philip Van Hoof wrote:
snip aggressive rant
If someone is behaving in a way which is negatively affecting a
significant portion of the GNOME community,
Then that significant portion of the GNOME community should be grown up
enough to understand that the behaviour of an individual doesn't
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
That's exactly correct. Another term for it is 'volunteer'. :) You're
certainly welcome to volunteer to improve it yourself, of course.
It's far beneath her
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 16:46 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
Philip Van Hoof wrote:
snip aggressive rant
As every opinion of me is looked as being aggressive, it's no longer
possible for me to have this discussion in a constructive kind of way.
--
Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer
So I'm hearing Dave say we need more policing and Philip saying everything
is ok. What do others think?
Does the community think everything is ok? Or if not, do they want to self
police or delegate taking action to the board? (Or both.)
Philip, I agree that your blog is yours, but supposedly you
2009/5/29 Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:45 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
So I'm hearing Dave say we need more policing and Philip saying
everything is ok. What do others think?
That's basically indeed what I'm saying:
Let's just do normal. There's nothing
2009/5/29 Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org:
The problem would be that this was possible. However, let me quote you
the bottom of planet.gnome.org:
Quote:
- Planet GNOME is a window into the world, work and lives of GNOME
- hackers and contributors.
-
- Blog entries aggregated on this
Note: this is a personal response. I may disclose information only available
to the board, but in no way any line in this message represents board's opinion.
On 05/28/2009 12:25 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
So - this is perhaps not the best time to start this discussion, but
then again maybe it's
In this case, how about bringing a foundation member in and have them do
minutes?
sri
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
That's exactly correct. Another term for it is 'volunteer'. :) You're
2009/5/29 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com:
So I'm hearing Dave say we need more policing and Philip saying everything
is ok. What do others think?
Well, if anyone wants some perspective, its not like we havent been
through all this before:
/me puts board hat on
Sometimes a little nudge is all we need :).
The story behind the minutes is that when Luis ran for board and was elected
and named himself secretary, the rest of us were thinking hurray, we have a
dedicated person taking notes and publishing them. But I think we all
Hi all,
So - this is perhaps not the best time to start this discussion, but
then again maybe it's absolutely the best time. This is a call to
foundation members who are happy, unhappy or disaffected to say what
they think the foundation should be doing that it isn't, shouldn't be
doing that
OK, I'll bite. I was going to run for the board but I haven't been
particularly active due to work and school combo. (although I must object
that mailing list participation as indicator of how fit you are as a board
member, talk is cheap)
My comments inline:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:25 AM,
I would like to see greater financial and administrative transparency. I
...
I want to see seven board members actively communicating, and I want to
...
front, don't fight in public, and publish/announce/... - in short,
broadcast to the membership what they're working on.
My only complaint
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
m...@avtechpulse.com wrote:
I would like to see greater financial and administrative transparency. I
...
I want to see seven board members actively communicating, and I want to
...
front, don't fight in public, and
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