Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Richard Stallman
Stormy, we seem to be miscommunicating. I said that people should not promote non-free software on Planet GNOME. You seem to be arguing against something different. For instance, My post on hunting comes to mind. I self censor now because I didn't like the negative comments directed at

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Lionel Dricot
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:12:16 -0500, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: GNOME is not connected with the anti-hunting movement; there's no reason it should have any position on the question. But GNOME is part Is GNOME part of any anti-proprietary software movement? I don't think so and I've

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/11/09 7:12 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Stormy, we seem to be miscommunicating. I said that people should not promote non-free software on Planet GNOME. You seem to be arguing against something different. I believe Stormy was quite clear and on point: It sounded to me as

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Lionel Dricot wrote: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:12:16 -0500, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: GNOME is not connected with the anti-hunting movement; there's no reason it should have any position on the question. But GNOME is part Is GNOME part of any anti-proprietary software movement?

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:12 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: But GNOME is part of the GNU Project, and it ought to support the free software movement. The most minimal support for the free software movement is to refrain from going directly against it; that is, to avoid presenting proprietary

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Philip Van Hoof
(repost, I didn't use the right E-mail address) On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:12 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: But GNOME is part of the GNU Project, and it ought to support the free software movement. The most minimal support for the free software movement is to refrain from going directly

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
Philip van Hoof writes I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. I'd second this. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Philip Van Hoof wrote: I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. Such a vote, whatever the outcome, would have little effect on the GNOME project. The debate during the vote could cause a lot of harm discord for the GNOME community. An outcome whereby GNOME is no

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 17:40 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi Dave! (Are you coming to FOSDEM? We need another of those IRL chats, no?) Philip Van Hoof wrote: I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. Such a vote, whatever the outcome, would have little effect on the

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/11/09 8:40 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Don't we have more concrete issues to address? We _were_ attempting to finalize a Code of Conduct which could be provided to speakers, in the hope of avoiding future instances of the sort of harmless fun we experienced during Mr.

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/11/2009 11:32 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: Philip van Hoof writes I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. I'd second this. Quick procedural note: If you really want to pursue this, according to the bylaws you need support of 5% of the membership IIRC to put

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On 12/11/2009 11:32 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: Philip van Hoof writes I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. I'd second this. Quick procedural note: If you really want to pursue this, according to the

Re: Budget and plans (2010)

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
Dave: In employee expenses, I see that Stormy is paid $8,000 per month, with a discretionary bonus of $1,500 per quarter. Last year she also received a substantial annual goal-related bonus, IIRC - I don't see this in the budget, though. Could you explain how the bonus figure for 2008-09 was

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Les Harris
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org wrote: On 12/11/09 9:32 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: Quick procedural note: If you really want to pursue this, according to the bylaws you need support of 5% of the membership IIRC to put something to vote.

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Stormy Peters
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: There is precedent for a membership petition for an election. I ran one to have the board size reduced some years ago: http://live.gnome.org/BoardSizePetition At the time I was told I needed 10% of the membership:

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could be interpreted that way, I think. We can

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Richard Stallman wrote: Stormy, we seem to be miscommunicating. I said that people should not promote non-free software on Planet GNOME. [snip] But GNOME is part of the GNU Project, and it ought to support the free software movement. The most minimal support for the free software

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello Lefty, On Fri 11 Dec 2009 16:37, Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org writes: On 12/11/09 7:12 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: The most minimal support for the free software movement is to refrain from going directly against it; that is, to avoid presenting proprietary software as

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/11/2009 01:14 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote: There is precedent for a membership petition for an election. I ran one to have the board size reduced some years ago: