Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Martyn Russell wrote: On 22/02/10 19:27, Dave Neary wrote: Have we lost the mobile battle? It certainly appears that GTK+ has lost the mobile battle, I don't think that's so true. Just because Nokia decided to buy Trolltech because it could be bought, doesn't mean the rest of the world

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Richard Stallman wrote: What's important to GNOME is the vision and the philosophy of open access, The philosophy of GNOME is that the user should have freedom. If we talk in terms of open or access then we omit what is most important. Software freedom is a means to furthering

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2010/2/23 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi, Martyn Russell wrote: On 22/02/10 19:27, Dave Neary wrote: Have we lost the mobile battle? It certainly appears that GTK+ has lost the mobile battle, I don't think that's so true. Just because Nokia decided to buy Trolltech because it could be

Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, February 27th

2010-02-23 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: When: Saturday, February 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation We understand that this time might not suit everybody, but we tried to

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Martyn Russell
On 23/02/10 12:36, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2010/2/23 Dave Nearydne...@gnome.org: I'd like to point out something though. As promising as the situation was, I don't think they seriously invested in the toolkit itself AFACT, during all this years RedHat (through mclasen and alexl) and individual

FOSDEM Report

2010-02-23 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, The GNOME presence at FOSDEM this year was quite good, and I believe things went (surprisingly ;-)) smoothly: + we had a good booth, thanks to the event box, t-shirts, stickers, and most importantly thanks to the amazing volunteers. + the devroom went quite well, with a good attendance

Re: FOSDEM Report

2010-02-23 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 23 février 2010, à 15:23 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : As a reminder: the original money for all this came from the Foundation (in 2008, if I'm not mistaken), and since this bootstrap step, we're able to sponsor the GNOME presence at FOSDEM with the money we get from t-shirts. The

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Stormy Peters
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Andrew Savory andrew.sav...@limofoundation.org wrote: Perhaps we should reach out to the mobile and embedded community and ask them to contribute e.g. how to get GTK running on a smartphone? Getting a few of those guys over to GUADEC might stimulate some

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Actually, I think that the Red Hat maintainers of the toolkit had an interest in stability (for ISVs) and that stifled development. As such developing anything in GTK+ takes a lot longer than it should and that's why it is always hard to get into development there or to fix something.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 13:20 +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 09:37:46PM +, Martyn Russell wrote: seems gtk+'s object model overhead (for example, object method invocation) is too high, especially visible on mobile platforms... it should be possible to optimize

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Claudio Saavedra
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 17:02 +0100, Philip Van Hoof escribió: On 23/02/10 12:36, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I often hear complaints about how the RedHat guys turn down patches from other contributors (mostly from members of companies competing with them), Well if that's the case, then

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 18:38 +0200, Claudio Saavedra wrote: El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 17:02 +0100, Philip Van Hoof escribió: Hey Claudio, On 23/02/10 12:36, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I often hear complaints about how the RedHat guys turn down patches from other contributors (mostly from

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-23 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 16:53 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi Martyn, Don't be confused: most of this reply isn't directed at you personally. On 23/02/10 16:09, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Le mar. 23 févr. 2010 à 14:12:47 (+), Martyn Russell a écrit: Actually, I think that the Red Hat