Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc > > > > Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or > > philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website > > regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the > > advisory board back in July? > > > > LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a > > possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing > > why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device > > strategy? > > As the GNOME person quoted, I have a little more info (but the board is > better placed than me). > I think the summary below was quite succinct. Thank you. > > LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's > activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not > consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation > value for money. We have been informing their advisory board > representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, > training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but > Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently > focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I > disagree with him. > > By chance is the desktop environment for the Motorola Atrix laptop accessory based on LiMo? The desktop seems to have a strong resemblance to a GNOME desktop. I would love to see if we could put some effort into putting an embedded DE for the Atrix secondary DE environment. If phones are powerful enough to host a secondary desktop environment then we should try to position ourselves in that space. sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Hi, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc > > Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or > philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website > regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the > advisory board back in July? > > LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a > possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing > why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device > strategy? As the GNOME person quoted, I have a little more info (but the board is better placed than me). LiMo uses GNOME technology. They continue to support the foundation's activities on a case-by-case basis, but their executive director did not consider that the advisory board position was giving the foundation value for money. We have been informing their advisory board representatives of the great stuff we have been doing around hackfests, training programmes, GNOME 3 plans, support for GTK+ on mobile, etc. but Mr. Gillis was not convinced that the foundation was sufficiently focussed on mobile to make the $20K a year worth paying. Obviously, I disagree with him. In any case, the quote I gave to the press release for LiMo 4 still holds true - we love to see people using our code, and I'd be happy to see LiMo members working more closely with the GNOME foundation in the future. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Gregory Leblanc < headmaster.albus.dumbled...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron > wrote: > >* LiMo is leaving the GNOME Advisory Board. > > Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or > philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website > regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the > advisory board back in July? > > Before I ramble on and jump to erroneous conclusions, can anyone > clarify this a bit please? Thanks, > Greg > > LiMo just made some announcement on LiMo4.. is GNOME no longer a possible strategy for them ? Like Gregory I'd be interested in hearing why they pulled out and what effect it might have on our embedded device strategy? sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > Looking on the board mailing list archives, you did send regrets to the > list on February 1st. So I think you did not attend. Thanks Brian. Fixed wiki appropriately. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og: Looking on the board mailing list archives, you did send regrets to the list on February 1st. So I think you did not attend. Brian On 02/16/11 03:07 PM, Og Maciel wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: You represent GNOME. You are a director on the Board of Directors. You represent me and everyone of the GNOME Foundation members. If my congressman/woman could not remember if they participated in important discussions, I'd be equally concerned. Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard work I have done so far. As your representative I value your concern and thank you so much for making sure I stay true to my commitment to the Foundation and community. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Stormy: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Brian Cameron mailto:brian.came...@oracle.com>> wrote: * Review past action items. * Did each person with action items send their status reports to the board list before the meeting? Has this been happening? Some of the action items have been there for a long time. Some have been on there since last July. We did do a review of action items during the December 23rd and January 6th meetings. We did close a lot of old and stale actions, as you can see: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20101223 http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20110106 That said, there are probably some that we missed and should address. I already added it to our agenda for the next meeting to do this again. * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) I think their website explains the benefits: http://sfconservancy.org/overview/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ http://sfconservancy.org/members/apply/ The main benefits seem to be that they will help your project take care of finances/fundraising, and they also provide some protection against liabilities. The above website provides more details. So far, we have just had some discussions with the folks at Conservancy about whether it makes sense for GNOME projects to be a part of Conservancy. That said, it is not yet clear if the Conservancy will accept GNOME projects. We are waiting to find out from them if it is even an option. I believe that the orca project is interested in using Conservancy to accept donations targeting the orca project. There has been some discussion amongst the board about whether it might make sense to allow people to make GNOME a11y donations via Friends of GNOME or otherwise handle this within The GNOME community. However, some people (e.g. the marketing team) has concerns that if we open the door to allowing specific GNOME subgroups or projects to receive earmarked funds that this would or could spiral out of control, or make FoG too complicated. But, even if we supported receiving a11y funds via some GNOME Foundation mechanism, I think Joanie is still interested in having orca join the Conservancy if possible since she has indicated that she is very interested in the liability protection that they offer. There has been some discussion about whether The GNOME Foundation could provide similar protections, but I believe that their liability protection is possible because of the way their organization is structured. For example, they require that all project funds be managed centrally by them. I am not sure it would be practical or possible for The GNOME Foundation to require this of all GNOME modules. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Og Maciel wrote: > > Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to > the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was > confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of > my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and > was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard > work I have done so far. > I do appreciate all the work you've done, especially the Friends of GNOME work. I apologize if I over reacted but the mail saying you don't remember so you were going to say you were there, seemed flippant to me. If I didn't remember if I was there or not, I'd mark myself absent. The point isn't to show how much work you've done but to represent GNOME. And I'd be worried I was endorsing conversations I hadn't been a part of it. And in part, I was concerned that you were making it look like it wasn't important to everyone. I do appreciate all the work the directors do. It's an important role and I respect all of you for putting the time and effort into making the GNOME Foundation and GNOME successful. I know it's a lot of work that isn't always recognized. Thank you for helping make GNOME accomplish its mission. Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > You represent GNOME. You are a director on the Board of Directors. You > represent me and everyone of the GNOME Foundation members. If my > congressman/woman could not remember if they participated in important > discussions, I'd be equally concerned. Understood. I hope you'll accept my word that I am fully committed to the work I do for the GNOME Foundation and that the fact I was confused about being present at said meeting was by no means lack of my interest or commitment. I have been to one too many meetings and was truly confused. I sure hope this lapse won't tarnish all the hard work I have done so far. As your representative I value your concern and thank you so much for making sure I stay true to my commitment to the Foundation and community. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Og Maciel wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Stormy Peters > wrote: > > Can you please take a look at the minutes and decide whether or not you > > participated? > > With all due respect too, I would not have said what I did if I hadn't > checked the minutes. In other words, it is not lack of profissionalism > from my end, but simply being confused with the many different meeting > You represent GNOME. You are a director on the Board of Directors. You represent me and everyone of the GNOME Foundation members. If my congressman/woman could not remember if they participated in important discussions, I'd be equally concerned. If you can't remember whether or not you were part of those conversations, it makes me feel that you must not have been paying attention. I suppose everyone is different and perhaps you pay a lot of attention during the moment and then forget them. But it worries me ... > is. There are times that, due to work, I have to leave a meeting > before it is 100% finished. Should we come up with a new category for > this too? Half-present? > > Actually, yes, I always noted when someone arrived late or left early in the minutes. Not to make it look like they did less work but to make it clear that they might not have participated in all the discussions so their viewpoint might not be reflected. Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > With all due respect, you should know whether you were there or not since it > looks like there was a lot of discussion. Not sure why you sent me something in private and then one here but ok... > Can you please take a look at the minutes and decide whether or not you > participated? With all due respect too, I would not have said what I did if I hadn't checked the minutes. In other words, it is not lack of profissionalism from my end, but simply being confused with the many different meeting I've had in the last month, coupled with a ton of work, email, etc. Also, a matter of being honest and not understanding what the big deal is. There are times that, due to work, I have to leave a meeting before it is 100% finished. Should we come up with a new category for this too? Half-present? Please, just move on... -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og, With all due respect, you should know whether you were there or not since it looks like there was a lot of discussion. Can you please take a look at the minutes and decide whether or not you participated? Thanks, Stormy On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Og Maciel wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Cameron > wrote: > > Can you fix the Wiki if it is in error? > > Not a matter of "if" as I could not be present and absent at the same > time. I honestly don't remember if I was present or not, so I'll edit > it to say I was. > -- > Og B. Maciel > GNOME Foundation Board of Directors > > omac...@foresightlinux.org > ogmac...@gnome.org > > GPG Keys: D5CFC202 > > http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) > http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > Can you fix the Wiki if it is in error? Not a matter of "if" as I could not be present and absent at the same time. I honestly don't remember if I was present or not, so I'll edit it to say I was. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > >* Review past action items. >* Did each person with action items send their status reports to > the board list before the meeting? > Has this been happening? Some of the action items have been there for a long time. Some have been on there since last July. I'd suggest it's time to go through them. There's probably a number of possible reasons for no action: (1) Owner does not have time. (2) Owner does not think it is important. (3) The item is no longer relevant. But I think it would help everyone to have them reflect the actual situation. Perhaps we could ask that each board member update each of their action items each board meeting with the date, so it is easy to tell at a glance whether or not it's been updated. (And perhaps would remind each owner what they are still signed up for.) > >* Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy > o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it >is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. > o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about >whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a >FreeDesktop project. > > What would be the advantage for GNOME projects to join the SFC? I thought the GNOME Foundation provided all the services that SFC does. (I'm not opposed to the idea, just would like to understand why the projects want to.) Great work with all the hackfests, GNOME Asia and release parties!!! Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
Og: On 02/16/11 02:16 PM, Og Maciel wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: Attending * Andreas Nilsson * Bastien Nocera * Brian Cameron * Emily Chen * Germán Póo-Caamaño * Og Maciel * Paul Cutler * Rosanna Yuen Regrets * Og Maciel Was I there or not? :) Can you fix the Wiki if it is in error? Thanks, Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > Attending > > * Andreas Nilsson > * Bastien Nocera > * Brian Cameron > * Emily Chen > * Germán Póo-Caamaño > * Og Maciel > * Paul Cutler > * Rosanna Yuen > > Regrets > > * Og Maciel Was I there or not? :) -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > * LiMo is leaving the GNOME Advisory Board. Any details on this? Are they leaving for financial reasons, or philosophical ones? There's still a big banner on their website regarding the partnership with Gnome. Did they not just join the advisory board back in July? Before I ramble on and jump to erroneous conclusions, can anyone clarify this a bit please? Thanks, Greg ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011
The meeting minutes for the February 1st GNOME Foundation board meeting is now published. Refer here: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20110201 Other past board meetings are archived here: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes -- text of the latest minutes follows -- Minutes for Meeting of February 1st, 2011 Next Meeting * February 15th, 2011 Attending * Andreas Nilsson * Bastien Nocera * Brian Cameron * Emily Chen * Germán Póo-Caamaño * Og Maciel * Paul Cutler * Rosanna Yuen Regrets * Og Maciel Missing Recurring Items * Review past action items. * Did each person with action items send their status reports to the board list before the meeting? * Approve and make sure that minutes of last meeting were published to foundation-announce and foundation-list. * Make sure to start up the gobby server for better note taking. * Update foundation.gnome.org website. New Items * LiMo is leaving the GNOME Advisory Board. * Advisory Board Meeting o Meeting on Tuesday, February 8th @ 11:00 a.m. EST. o GNOME Launch Party Update / bank transfer o Would like to invite Fred Muller, who drafted the call for sponsors, to attend the Advisory Board meeting. to present about GNOME.Asia and GNOME 3 Launch Parties. o Planned Agenda + Hiring Committee Update # Very high level, no need to discuss names or numbers. Focus on timing and the process moving along, when to expect more of an announcement. + LiMo Leaving the Advisory Board + Desktop Summit + GNOME 3 Launch Party + Mobile Bid Announcement + Event Box # Thank you to Canonical for providing funding. # Progress being made putting the Events Box together, preparing a banner. + Marketing Position + Upcoming Hackfests. o Topics for Future Advisory Board Meeting agenda: + FoG Update + Travel o ACTION: Paul will send an email to announce the meeting agenda to the adboard list by Friday. * Desktop Summit. o Local meeting Desktop Summit at FOSDEM on Friday at 4pm @ hotel lobby. o ACTION: Andreas will invite Dave Neary to give an update to the advisory board. o ACTION: Andreas will find out if the Desktop Summit call for Sponsors will be ready to present at the advisory board meeting. * GNOME 3 Launch Parties o Over 50 parties have registered. o http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty o ACTION: Rosanna will take care of providing funds needed for production of goodies to be sent to registered parties. * Marketing Position o ACTION: Brian will send out an email to marketing-list about a deadline for resume submission. * Orca / Software Freedom Conservancy o Discussions underway. The SFC is working to determine if it is possible for GNOME projects to join the SFC. o ACTION: Bastien will email Joanie about options about whether it makes sense for orca to consider being a FreeDesktop project. Completed Actions * None Status of action items * Andreas - Will follow up with Andrew Savory from LiMo to see if relevant information from their GTK+ study can be made more public. (will ping again). * Andreas - To ask Kat if she can reach out to the gnome...@gnome.org mailing list about finding local German volunteers to help with the Desktop Summit 2011. (will ping again) * Andreas - Will send out emails to get more contacts or suggestions for someone who may be interested in applying. * Bastien - Will try to find people who can consolidate the feedback about the Texas Instruments Zoom2 device to provide back to Texas Instruments. * Bastien - Will take over the internal review process task from Diego Urrelo (hopefully he can automate it). * Bastien - To find a way to automate the process of exporting results from internal review process and email it to the board. * Bastien - To discuss the use of badges (a-la Creative Commons, last.fm page colors, or PSN badges). * Bastien - To talk to Olav Vitters about using bugzilla to track Friends of GNOME post card sending. * Bastien - To get _a_ WebOS/Palm contact from Lennart Poettering. * Bastien - To contact the BBC to discuss about possible collaboration in working directly with GNOME. * Bastien - Will reach out to Dave Richards from the City of Largo to plan for a hackfest
