Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Sebastian Keller > wrote: >> >> >> >> I have seen people on #gnome on freenode asking for the official >> channels of gnome components, but those were very very few and almost >> all of them were ask

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Sebastian Keller wrote: > > > I have seen people on #gnome on freenode asking for the official > channels of gnome components, but those were very very few and almost > all of them were asking for support and not how to contribute to > development. (Assuming they t

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:36 +0200, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: > I could help with this task opening bugs for errors and/or > enhancements, or simply recommending some bugs to the students or > testing patches. Defining tasks is certainly nice, but would you also volunteer as a mentor for stude

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bryen M Yunashko
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:55 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Tristan Van Berkom : > > > Again, how do you expect to achieve this hypothetical migration ? > > > > You will post a memo and people will just happily follow the > > foundation's decree ? > > > > I think you've misunderstood how th

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bryen M Yunashko
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 16:19 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Freenode seems to be > seriously understaffed (see for example [1]). I agree and disagree. While Freenode "top-dog" staffing may be tight, the features that Freenode offers allow you to self-administrate channels thus relying very littl

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bryen M Yunashko
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 07:34 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > These would be nice to have. But I wonder if the best way to address > it > is not to up and leave GimpNet, but instead to get those features > added > to GimpNet. I have to agree here. While I did find it interesting to note, more as a

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12-10-15 06:24 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: > >> > In the past I've joined the #opers channel multiple times asking why >> > there was no intention to improve the GIMPNET network but I alwais >> > received no answer and as of today I still don't know the real reason >> > behind that decision. > O

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12-10-15 05:23 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: > I said *many* people gave their consensus about a possible move but I > didn't see a *single* mail saying we should stay on GIMPNET for the X, > Y, Z reason. Sure, many of us avoid replying "+1" to something that someone else has already said very well.

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Karen Sandler
On Mon, October 15, 2012 6:01 am, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > The announcement indeed does not mention translations. > Are we positive that the organizers specifically do not want to have > translation tasks this year? Citation? There's a page called Information for Mentors and Org Admins for GCI 2

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Tristan Van Berkom : > No, that's the point you don't seem to get. > > We are an assembly of projects, the gnome foundation is an umbrella > which is there to support us, defend our copyrights and branding > if and where possible (if not I suppose we go to the FSF), particularly > the b

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Tristan Van Berkom : > >> Again, how do you expect to achieve this hypothetical migration ? >> >> You will post a memo and people will just happily follow the >> foundation's decree ? >> >> I think you've misunderstood how things wor

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Joanmarie Diggs : > >>> Who exactly "owns" GimpNet and if asking on #opers doesn't get us the >>> answers we seek, how else can we get them? >> >> Very nice question Joanmarie, who takes decisions on behalf of the >> GIMPNET network? if GIMPNET is aliased the GNOME IRC network why they >

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
>> Who exactly "owns" GimpNet and if asking on #opers doesn't get us the >> answers we seek, how else can we get them? > > Very nice question Joanmarie, who takes decisions on behalf of the > GIMPNET network? if GIMPNET is aliased the GNOME IRC network why they > don't listen to contributor's ide

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Tristan Van Berkom : > Again, how do you expect to achieve this hypothetical migration ? > > You will post a memo and people will just happily follow the > foundation's decree ? > > I think you've misunderstood how things work in the real world. > Unless you actually pull the plug on Gi

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastian Keller
Hi, I'm one of the guys who has been doing irc support on both networks for several years now and I think I can provide some observations here: Am Montag, den 15.10.2012, 12:32 +0200 schrieb Andrea Veri: > Freenode has more than 8 users and I'm pretty much sure a lot of > new contributors wil

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Joanmarie Diggs : > On 10/15/2012 06:53 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: > > [...] > >> I explained the benefits in my original mail but here they are again: >> >> - services, that means having the ownership of your nick. No one will >> be able to spoof your identity. (plus host cloaking with hand

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
On 10/15/2012 06:53 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: [...] > I explained the benefits in my original mail but here they are again: > > - services, that means having the ownership of your nick. No one will > be able to spoof your identity. (plus host cloaking with handy (for > example) /gnome/marketing/foo

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Daniel Mustieles García
Althought I'm not the maintainer, I'd like to propose fixing and improving Gtranslator as a task for GCI. As André says, mentoring may take more time than fixing the bugs, but the project is in a critical stage, since the maintainer has announced that he is not maintaining it anymore, and nobody i

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Frederic Peters
Andrea Veri wrote: > In the past I've joined the #opers channel multiple times asking why > there was no intention to improve the GIMPNET network but I alwais > received no answer and as of today I still don't know the real reason > behind that decision. On the opposite I've always had a fast and

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : >> hi; >> >> On 15 October 2012 11:32, Andrea Veri wrote: >>> 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : >>> have we had any indication that being on irc.gnome.org is in any way, shape, or form preventing people from c

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : > hi; > > On 15 October 2012 11:32, Andrea Veri wrote: >> 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : >> >>> have we had any indication that being on irc.gnome.org is in any way, >>> shape, or form preventing people from contributing to GNOME - and that >>> moving to freenode would o

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : > hi; > > On 15 October 2012 11:23, Andrea Veri wrote: >> 2012/10/15 Bastien Nocera : >>> On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 15:45 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: I see many people have expressed their consensus in this, thus I'll defer the decision to the Board. Thanks to anyo

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On 15 October 2012 11:32, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : > >> have we had any indication that being on irc.gnome.org is in any way, >> shape, or form preventing people from contributing to GNOME - and that >> moving to freenode would open the floodgates to new contributors?

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Bastien Nocera : >> On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 15:45 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: >>> I see many people have expressed their consensus in this, thus I'll >>> defer the decision to the Board. Thanks to anyone sending a mail about >>> this con

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On 15 October 2012 11:23, Andrea Veri wrote: > 2012/10/15 Bastien Nocera : >> On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 15:45 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: >>> I see many people have expressed their consensus in this, thus I'll >>> defer the decision to the Board. Thanks to anyone sending a mail about >>> this conce

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi : > have we had any indication that being on irc.gnome.org is in any way, > shape, or form preventing people from contributing to GNOME - and that > moving to freenode would open the floodgates to new contributors? Freenode has more than 8 users and I'm pretty much

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andrea Veri
2012/10/15 Bastien Nocera : > On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 15:45 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: >> I see many people have expressed their consensus in this, thus I'll >> defer the decision to the Board. Thanks to anyone sending a mail about >> this concern. > > 3 people agreeing with you isn't consensus. I sa

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On 15 October 2012 10:23, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:14 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:11 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: >> > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:07 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> > > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 11:33 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 18:48 +0300, Rūdolfs Mazurs wrote: >> Sv, 2012-10-14 16:49 +0200, Andre Klapper rakstīja: >> > Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor >> > and provide tasks? >> >> I got the impression, that

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:34 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:24 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: > >> Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces > >> a valid POT file for Damned Lies? > >> > >> h

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Chris Leonard
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:24 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: >> Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces >> a valid POT file for Damned Lies? >> >> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45321 >> >> This problem has

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:24 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: > Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces > a valid POT file for Damned Lies? > > https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45321 > > This problem has gone unattended for two years and it makes Epiphany > (and Su

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Chris Leonard
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Sun, October 14, 2012 10:49 am, Andre Klapper wrote: >> Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year >> (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). >> >> Is the GNOME community interested in participating? >> >> Would you (deve

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:14 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:11 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:07 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 11:33 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > > > > Might be more interesting to do a survey. > > > >

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:11 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:07 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 11:33 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > > > Might be more interesting to do a survey. > > > > This is the day surveys replace nazis as a way to end Internet >

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 15:45 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > I see many people have expressed their consensus in this, thus I'll > defer the decision to the Board. Thanks to anyone sending a mail about > this concern. 3 people agreeing with you isn't consensus.

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 11:07 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 11:33 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > > Might be more interesting to do a survey. > > This is the day surveys replace nazis as a way to end Internet > conversations. I don't see that coming if the survey was limited

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 17:55 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > join #gstreamer, or #freedesktop or #pulseaudio or #nm and check for > yourself, indeed ALL was an exageration, but it's not hard to figure > out that a huge majority of us have a freenode network tab on our IRC > client That's where all the

Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 11:33 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 18:24 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > > Yeah, the suffix #gnome-$(channel_name) should help with that and many > > other large projects are living on Freenode since several years and > > they are able to administer the r

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Karen Sandler
On Sun, October 14, 2012 10:49 am, Andre Klapper wrote: > Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year > (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). > > Is the GNOME community interested in participating? > > Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and > prov

Re: Google Code-In 2012?

2012-10-15 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! >> I got the impression, that there will be no translation tasks this year. > > Thanks for the heads-up, you are totally right. > That's a pity. I think translation tasks have been to difficult to check in the past and people abused Google Translate so I can kind of understand that they remo