David Neary wrote:
Hi,
Sorry to bust in late, and I kinda got tired before reaching the end of
the thread so this might have been raised already.
Maybe this discussion would be better started with asking ourselves a
couple of questions:
* What kind of conferences are we interested in?
* Who sh
On 9/7/05, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Besides these obvious flaws, I'd really hate to see fundamental
> > tinkering with things like this while we still don't have a basic idea
> > of what the heck GUADEC is and who it is meant to be for.
> > I think the GUADEC planners need to co
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:06:21PM +0100, Bill Haneman wrote:
> Quim Gil wrote:
> >The only conflict I see is the "E" of "European".
>
> Tilt it on its side and it's fine, "W" for world.
I don't know if this (very simple idea) has been proposed before, but
the "E" could easily be removed by chan
On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 09:58 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 22:13 +0200, David Neary wrote:
> > I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> > reasons to do this, here are 5:
> >
> > 1. There is no link to GNOME in the nam
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 22:13 +0200, David Neary wrote:
> I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> reasons to do this, here are 5:
>
> 1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
> 2. No-one knows what it means, which means the
On Tuesday at 18:23, Žygimantas Beručka wrote:
> ...and the phrase of Glynn I always remember: "Some people write 'Gnome'
> instead of 'GNOME'. It's a matter of preference, but if you do, you're
> wrong ;)"... :)
Were there really 101 (one hundred and one) things to know about
Gnome? Not more, n
On Tuesday at 16:53, Žygimantas Beručka wrote:
> If I understand correctly, the "GNOME" itself sucks. Average Joe doesn't
> know what "GNU Network Object Model Environment" is, "KDE" makes more
> sense in this case, since it stands for "K _Desktop Environment_".
GNOME does NOT mean "GNU Network O
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 01:14 -0400, Jonathan Blandford wrote:
> We've proposed:
>
> "Gnome Users And Developers _Everywhere_ Conference"
>
> In the past to avoid this issue.
>
> Thanks,
> -Jonathan
We should probably just declare that the acronym has no meaning, such as
SAT, which no longer has
Hi,
Luis Villa a écrit :
On 9/5/05, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
In both the current name and the proposed name, you have a G, that's
it. So if this is the problem, the proposed new name doesn't solve it.
I'm sold
Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The only conflict I see is the "E" of "European". I would solve the
> conflict by forgetting the meaning of the acronym, moving to "Guadec"
> and explaining somewhere the ethimology of the word, for minorities'
> delightment.
We've proposed:
"Gnome Users An
On 9/5/05, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> reasons to do this, here are 5:
>
> 1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
In both the current name and the proposed name,
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Robert Love wrote:
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:23:41 -0400
> From: Robert Love <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Tim Ney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Davyd Madeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, foundation-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: Changing the name of GUADE
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 13:46 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
> On 9/6/05, Rob Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > General Upgraded Android Designed for Efficient Calculation.
>
> Grandiose Ubiquitous Acronyms Designed to Eradicate Conflict
You are all--all of you are--killing my joke.
The joke was n
On 9/6/05, Rob Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> General Upgraded Android Designed for Efficient Calculation.
Grandiose Ubiquitous Acronyms Designed to Eradicate Conflict
...or maybe at least the flamewars, though there might be a bug in
their current implementation. ;-)
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On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 15:23 -0400, Robert Love wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 15:12 -0400, Tim Ney wrote:
>
> > How about gcc, the GNOME Community Conference?
>
> I like "GNOME Unified Architecture Discussion and Engagement Conference"
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 15:12 -0400, Tim Ney wrote:
> How about gcc, the GNOME Community Conference?
I like "GNOME Unified Architecture Discussion and Engagement Conference"
You know, for the kids.
Robert Love
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On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 02:20 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > > GConf.
> I suggested the name quoted here while speaking tongue in cheek.
How about gcc, the GNOME Community Conference?
timm
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On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 16:31 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
> > Davyd Madeley came up with GConf.
>
> This isn't an improve and not enough of an improvement to merit the
> change. If you had said "Gnome Con" which should need no further
> explanation I might have been able to take your comment serious
Pr, 2005 09 05 22:13 +0200, David Neary rašė:
> 1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
It is. As we all know, G in 'GUADEC' stands for GNOME, and C is for
conference.
> 2. No-one knows what it means, which means the first question people ask
> isn't "when is it?" or
Žygimantas Beručka wrote:
An, 2005 09 06 14:06 +0100, Bill Haneman rašė:
The only conflict I see is the "E" of "European".
Tilt it on its side and it's fine, "W" for world.
Oh, this is a real gem. Could anyone comment on this? This touches the
*real* reason ("4. Do we really
An, 2005 09 06 14:06 +0100, Bill Haneman rašė:
> >The only conflict I see is the "E" of "European".
>
> Tilt it on its side and it's fine, "W" for world.
Oh, this is a real gem. Could anyone comment on this? This touches the
*real* reason ("4. Do we really want to limit it to Europe?") why we
wo
An, 2005 09 06 09:57 -0600, Elijah Newren rašė:
> > I like GConf for that reason, and because it's got Conf in it, and it's
> > a better abbreviation for 'the GNOME Conference' than GNOMECon or
> > GNOME-Con(which has too many capitals) and GnomeCon violates the
> > religious doctrine on GNOME cap
(A little off-topic...)
On 9/6/05, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And lets face it, the only reason we find GConf a good option is because
> > of the inside joke with the name. For anyone not a core member of the
> > community that is lost.
>
> I like GConf for that reason, and because
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Alan Horkan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, David Neary wrote:
>
> > Davyd Madeley came up with GConf.
>
> This isn't an improve and not enough of an improvement to merit the
> change. If you had said "Gnome Con" which should need no further
> explanation I might have been able
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, David Neary wrote:
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:13:25 +0200
> From: David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Foundation-List
> Cc: Guadec planning mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Changing the name of GUADEC
>
>
> I would like to
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 17:53 +0300, Žygimantas Beručka wrote:
> Every other word out there sucks if one doesn't know its meaning,
> whether it's Linux, Windows, Aqua, KDE or IBM itself. Try to convince
> IBM to change its name into something similar to IntBussMach (the case
> with "fooConf"). They
An, 2005 09 06 14:04 +0200, Dave Neary rašė:
> The main idea to change the name is because it's yet another meaningless
> acronym which sucks. It's not a good name. The only reason to keep it is
> because we've been using it for 6 years.
Every other word out there sucks if one doesn't know its m
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:03 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> I would try to go for simple "Gnome Conference" or maybe "Gnome Conf".
> I think that "GConf" is just being too cute.
Agreed GConf isn't a good idea any more than OAF or BONOBO would be.
A name change of a conference usually is done for
Hello,
> I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> reasons to do this, here are 5:
Brilliant idea.
Its one of the worst names marketing wise, it means nothing to people.
I would try to go for simple "Gnome Conference" or maybe "Gnome Conf"
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 14:08 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller a écrit :
> > So the solution is that we dump the name that a lot of people in the free
> > software world
> > knows by now and instead switch to a new name...
> > Building up name recognition and
Quim Gil wrote:
The only conflict I see is the "E" of "European".
Tilt it on its side and it's fine, "W" for world.
I like GUADEC too, I think we risk losing some recognition/mindshare by
changing. And once you hear the name, you never forget it.
Bill
I would solve the
conflict by for
> So the solution is that we dump the name that a lot of people in the free
> software world
> knows
I'm the last donkey here but I think GNOME insiders should realize the
big investment done already with the brand GUADEC.
I knew "GUADEC" was the name of "the event where GNOME developers meet"
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:08:04PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> There is no name recognition. GUADEC has no brand value. Changing it
> will help sponsorship, not hurt it. No-one outside the geek community
> likes the meaningless acronym tho,ng. It's *so* 1990s, already.
So let's change GNOME fir
Hi,
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller a écrit :
So the solution is that we dump the name that a lot of people in the free software world
knows by now and instead switch to a new name...
> Building up name recognition and brand takes a lot of time.
Let's kill this excuse dead straight away. G
Hi,
Vincent Untz a écrit :
Let's try another question: who are the new people we want to see? People
who know GNOME? People who don't know GNOME? If they don't know GNOME,
GnomeCon/GConf is not clearer than GUADEC. If they know GNOME, there
are some chances they will learn about GUADEC being a
On Tue, September 6, 2005 12:09, Murray Cumming wrote:
>> I think it will, because it'll be clear that it's a conference. It'll be
>> easier for the press to write, too.
>
> Yes, GnomeCon, or such like, would be more straightforward.
Let's try another question: who are the new people we want to se
Hi,
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 13:07 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> Yeah :)
>
> The call of papers is useless any earlier than December or January,
> because most people aren't thinking about May or June until then anyway.
>
> The website doesn't need to be done until then either.
>
> We do need to sta
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 11:47 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Vincent Untz a écrit :
> > We could keep GUADEC and when advertising it, have a note about it's
> > meaning. For example, on posters, you would write a big GUADEC and add
> > a subtitle. The logo is important too. I mean, when people s
Hi,
Glynn Foster a écrit :
And by the time you've finished discussing this, I could have had the
call for papers out, call for sponsors, and had the skeleton of a web
page written.
http://2006.guadec.org/
404, just peachy ;)
Haven't we learned anything in *6* years of conference organizing??
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 12:09 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
> > I think it will, because it'll be clear that it's a conference. It'll be
> > easier for the press to write, too.
>
> Yes, GnomeCon, or such like, would be more straightforward.
And by the time you've finished discussing this, I could ha
> I think it will, because it'll be clear that it's a conference. It'll be
> easier for the press to write, too.
Yes, GnomeCon, or such like, would be more straightforward.
Murray Cumming
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.murrayc.com
www.openismus.com
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te:
I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
reasons to do this, here are 5:
Another, actually most important reason:
— 3rd was GUAD3C
— 4th was GU4DEC
— 5th was GVADEC
— 6th was 6UADEC
And what would 7th be?
I suggest something with at least "T" and
Hi,
Vincent Untz a écrit :
We could keep GUADEC and when advertising it, have a note about it's
meaning. For example, on posters, you would write a big GUADEC and add
a subtitle. The logo is important too. I mean, when people see GUADEC,
they also see other things in the context: they don't jus
On Tue, September 6, 2005 10:51, Dave Neary wrote:
> Vincent Untz a écrit :
>> To answer Dave: I like GUADEC (more than GConf, to be honest). But look
>> at various other conferences: is their name easily "understandable"?
>> I don't think it's more understandable than GUADEC, but once you know
>>
Hi,
Vincent Untz a écrit :
To answer Dave: I like GUADEC (more than GConf, to be honest). But look
at various other conferences: is their name easily "understandable"?
I don't think it's more understandable than GUADEC, but once you know
what it means, you remember it.
OSCon
DefCon
Linux Expo
On Tue, September 6, 2005 08:36, Danilo Å egan wrote:
> If we were KDE, I'd vote for replacing aKademy with "Konference" so,
> it should be Gnomference for us ;-)
I like it: it sounds like GNOME France ;-)
To answer Dave: I like GUADEC (more than GConf, to be honest). But look
at various other co
Yesterday at 22:13, David Neary wrote:
> I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> reasons to do this, here are 5:
Another, actually most important reason:
— 3rd was GUAD3C
— 4th was GU4DEC
— 5th was GVADEC
— 6th was 6UADEC
And what would 7th be?
I s
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 22:13 +0200, David Neary wrote:
> I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
> reasons to do this, here are 5:
>
> 1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
GUADEC = GNOME Users and Developers European Conferen
I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many
reasons to do this, here are 5:
1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference
2. No-one knows what it means, which means the first question people ask
isn't "when is it?" or "whe
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