Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:34:47PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about >> > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. >

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On ma, 2009-01-05 at 12:32 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > On 1/5/09, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > > > 6. Check all the documentation stuff on live.gnome.org that needs to be > > updated. That is really important because not everybody is familiar with > > git. There should also be a short i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On 1/5/09, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > 6. Check all the documentation stuff on live.gnome.org that needs to be > updated. That is really important because not everybody is familiar with > git. There should also be a short introduction to git somewhere on the > wiki. And some announcements should

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:34:47PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about > > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. > > Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's person

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi! Am Montag, den 05.01.2009, 16:23 +0100 schrieb Mathias Hasselmann: > First of all I want to thank Behdad and the participants of the survey > for giving us numbers. > > Second I want to complain about the direction this discussion takes. > No idea why that many people become personal. This is

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

First of all I want to thank Behdad and the participants of the survey for giving us numbers. Second I want to complain about the direction this discussion takes. No idea why that many people become personal. This is really unpleasant. Third of all: What so complicated about this migration? As fa

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:00:52AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > I'd like to help with another path forward, namely native git > repositories since I believe that is what most of the community wants. > As you said, it isn't clear how it could work for non-sysadmins to > come up with clear proposal

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > 2009/1/5 Ali Sabil : > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > >> > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe > tha

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/5 Ali Sabil : > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that >> > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> That isn't a contest. It is a survey. > > Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need > to get defensive. > > >>> It >>>

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:16 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote: > > How much does it consume if it's a svn checkout? I heard (don't > know > > if it's true or not) git repo usually takes less diskspace then svn > > checkout. This page seems to support this claim: > > A complete git repo is usually smal

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that >> the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's >> crazy to officially want to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > >> not suitable as a l

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 23.58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) ha scritto: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > >> not s

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > People using JHBuild to develop one project against latest code or > simply testing the whole desktop don't need the full history for all > GNOME Desktop modules > > bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? git-clone has a --dep

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > gnome. BTW, once switched to DVCS, how much disk space I should have in order to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi, On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > Anyway, I'd rather add John Carr to the sysadmin team. I plan to make a > proposal to switch GNOME to a DVCS where Git works using Johns > suggestion. Then other sysadmins[1] can suggest whatever proposal they > want. These proposals can b

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Ali Sabil a écrit : That's not what John's proposal is about ! John wants to use the bzr format as a repository format, and add a git-serve plugin to bzr to be able to "talk" to the git clients. In other words, you will be able to access the same data using either bzr, git or hg. Well, if peopl

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's personal and like I'm assaulting you. Because I didn't. And I resent the accusa

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:30PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > > > terrible idea? > > > > You expe

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 12:04:30AM +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Hi! > > > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > > gnome. > > I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someo

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > > terrible idea? > > You expect me to reply to this??!? I expected you to reply to the other three mail

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi! > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > gnome. I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but t

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > terrible idea? You expect me to reply to this??!? -- Regards, Olav ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > > To be honest, > > I really wonder if something else would happen that I'd qualify as a > > good switch. > > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > > crazy to officially want

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > >> Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > >> the points I made (that you d

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > > crazy to officially want

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > crazy to officially want to support git, bzr and hg *at* the same time > *from* the sam

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:20 +0100, Ali Sabil wrote: > First, it only makes it much harder for users to grasp; we're > going to > end up with some projects have l.g.o pages / README files / > mailing list > messages saying "use bzr to check out this branch" an

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Robin Sonefors wrote: > On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti > wrote: > > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > > > >> It seems pretty clear to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:05 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: > > Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats > > and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format > > changed and it didn't cause any pr

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Clasen schrieb: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: >>> As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation >>> will support you, and support you well

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: > Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats > and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format > changed and it didn't cause any problem for users). I don't think > there is a problem here. I d

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is >> not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of >> gnome. > > BTW, once

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? Yes, it does. This is not an issue. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: > > As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation > > will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any > > talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move >

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 > hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be > able to gather at least

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: >> As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation >> will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any >> talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 > hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be > able to gather at least 10

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi! On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be, >> in my technical analysis, an order of magn

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: > As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation > will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any > talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move > forward. So i dont consider i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 klockan 15:10 skrev Jason D. Clinton: > I'd like to point out that--of the 15 people who regularly use git and > bzr--git still won. Two remarks. First remark: In the survey I answered that I do not really know much about git, and that I do not use it often. This has a reason, which I

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

>> Anyway, I'd rather add John Carr to the sysadmin team. I plan to make a >> proposal to switch GNOME to a DVCS where Git works using Johns >> suggestion. Then other sysadmins[1] can suggest whatever proposal they >> want. These proposals can be investigated on merit and then a one can be >> chose

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Not to be hostile, but please don't accuse me of "holding" anything up or being a vocal minority. I have never spoken out, posted, or blogged about any of the DVCS decisions. I think I said in the survey I would prefer bzr, however I didn't really care at the time (and much less since Disco

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

> Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also includes > the survey questions and answers. Find it at: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/ > This is pretty decent analysis going on here :) I'd like to r

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, John Carr wrote: > I'm not a complete idiot - if it was going to be a "degraded, > bastardized form" of Git I wouldn't waste my time on it. I suppose I > might be an evil genius stalling for "Bazaar DS9" to be written (sorry > for the very bad joke that probably on

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > That isn't a contest. It is a survey. > > Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need > to get defensive. It is not defensive. I don't like chang

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > That isn't a contest. It is a survey. Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need to get defensive. >> It >> seems to me that a lot of brain power,

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 08:10:21AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > This is pretty decent analysis going on here :) > > > > I'd like to remind people of John Carr's recent blog post too, someone > > mentioned in the survey results actually. JC has been working on bzr with > > git protocol suppo

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi! First of all, thanks a millions to Behdad and Elijah for taking up this task and congrats for managing to accomplish it so effectively. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Karl Lattimer wrote: >> I'd like to remind people of John Carr'

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Karl Lattimer wrote: >> Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also >> includes >> the survey questions and answers. Find it at: >> >> http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results

GNOME DVCS Survey Results

ome-dvcs-survey-results/ If you analyze the results, please reply to this thread and also leave a comment on my blog post linking to your analysis: http://mces.blogspot.com/2009/01/gnome-dvcs-survey.html Cheers, behdad ___ foundation-list mailing l