On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 18:08 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 10:57 -0500, meg ford wrote:
> > Hi Bastien,
> >
> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bastien Nocera
> > wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > > On 10 May 2013 15:55
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 07:48:21PM +0200, Sebastian Keller wrote:
> One time on #gnome on freenode somebody was asking a11y specific
> questions for his quadriplegic friend and I redirected him to "#a11y on
> irc.gnome.org". When he saw that the networks name was "GIMPNet" he got
> really furious a
Richard, sorry for the misdirection. I commented on your first message
while replying to your second.
No problem, and thanks for clearing up what happened.
I am not arguing for or against the proposed change in host names.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Fr
Liam R E Quin holoweb.net> writes:
>
> would you prefer to join a community where you're made fun of on a
> routine basis, mocked, ridiculed, made to feel like shit, because you
> were born with one leg shorter than the other?
>
If you looked like "a small, physically deformed (usually hunchback
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 08:10 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose
> legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet.
>
> According to Wiktionary, the word "gimp" has many meanings, one being
> "a limping gait". That meaning, the o
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 12:49 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point
> were about the word "gimp". Why was that?
For the same reason that you distracted from the main message of my
post. I'll grant that I probably should be calling
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point
> were about the word "gimp". Why was that?
Richard, sorry for the misdirection. I commented on your first message
while replying to your second. The movie was rele
I think we need to split this thread. If people want to debate about how
the community functions then it's a worthy debate and we should have it.
Regarding the gimpnet name. I'm okay with leaving it, and we don't need to
remove it. But we will need to make sure that irc clients have
irc.gnome.o
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 12:49 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [...]
> However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point
> were about the word "gimp". Why was that?
Maybe because this is closer to the topic in discussion (which is not to
change the application name, but a DNS r
I sent a message to point out the error of associating GNOME with the
term "open source":
==
As an accessibility user, and noting that GNOME is known for being a
world leader in open source accessibility
I hope not! GNOM
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I hope not! GNOME is meant to be a leader in free software
> accessibility, and we hope people will think of it as one. If they
> think of GNOME as "open source", we need to set them straight!
Richard, I'll remember this each time I ha
Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose
legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet.
According to Wiktionary, the word "gimp" has many meanings, one being
"a limping gait". That meaning, the one I learned long ago, is not
derogatory.
I suspect that the der
As an accessibility user, and noting that GNOME is known for being a
world leader in open source accessibility
I hope not! GNOME is meant to be a leader in free software
accessibility, and we hope people will think of it as one. If they
think of GNOME as "open source", we need to set the
True, it's good to be forward-thinking; still, radical love is more
needed than radical hate.
I don't think you're advocating outright bigotry, but you're advocating
what the status quo is -- non-radical -- that is, the unchecked
allowance for privileged groups to espouse their views regardless of
On 10 May 2013 15:55, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped
> people
If it helps, I've never heard the word used this way either. However,
my understanding of the common use of the word isn't any better
(warning; possibly NSFW):
https://www.g
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 08:55 -0500, meg ford wrote:
Hi Meg,
> In general when people use the term "PC" in the US, they are talking
> about being adopting extra careful/ newly coined language. That's not
> what I'm saying. You wouldn't use the term gimp when talking to
> someone unless you wante
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Michael Hill wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
>
>> People have common sense, they know that since we are at the zoo,
>> there actually are monkeys to go see.
>
> Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose
> legi
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> People have common sense, they know that since we are at the zoo,
> there actually are monkeys to go see.
Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose
legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet. If the
origi
I'm just jumping into this conversation as I only just now spotted it.
So I'm not responding directly to any one particular post, but making a
general statement.
As an accessibility user, and noting that GNOME is known for being a
world leader in open source accessibility and has often made
access
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
> On 05/10/2013 12:27 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
>> wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2013 10:17 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:
Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little deta
On Fr, 2013-05-10 at 11:55 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote:
> I've come
> across the negative reaction more than once in the past when telling
> people to join us "on GIMPNet"
One time on #gnome on freenode somebody was asking a11y specific
questions for his quadriplegic friend and I redirected him to
On 05/10/2013 12:27 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
> wrote:
>> On 05/10/2013 10:17 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:
>>> Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little detail so
>>> seriously? I'm all for advertising irc.gnome.org in
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 01:27 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
>
>> Would you like to join a community where everything you say is
>> under strict scrutiny ? where you cannot freely express yourself
>> in your blog without being really careful
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 11:55 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 10:55 am, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> >> To many, 'gimp' is an offensive term an given our dedication to a11y
> >> it seems counter-intuitive to have this name
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 01:27 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> Would you like to join a community where everything you say is
> under strict scrutiny ? where you cannot freely express yourself
> in your blog without being really careful to make all of your comments
> "gender neutral" and political
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
wrote:
> On 05/10/2013 10:17 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:
>> Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little detail so
>> seriously? I'm all for advertising irc.gnome.org in our websites etc.
>> But there's really no need to take d
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 10:57 -0500, meg ford wrote:
> Hi Bastien,
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bastien Nocera
> wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 10 May 2013 15:55, Bastien Nocera
> wrote:
> > > I've never heard the w
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
> Since for GNOME it's out of context to anyone who doesn't know about
> the GIMP and the historical relationship with GNOME, I think it can make
> people unnecessarily uncomfortable.
This actually makes an excellent argument for irc.gnome.org
Hi Bastien,
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 10 May 2013 15:55, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > > I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped
> > > people
> >
> > If it helps, I've never h
On Fri, May 10, 2013 10:55 am, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> To many, 'gimp' is an offensive term an given our dedication to a11y
>> it seems counter-intuitive to have this name in our infrastructure.
>
> I've never heard the word "gimp" used
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 16:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 10 May 2013 15:55, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped
> > people
>
> If it helps, I've never heard the word used this way either. However,
> my understanding of the common use
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped
> people (which I guess is what you're getting at[1]). What made you think
> that there was a connection between those 2 uses of the word?
I was aware of the connotation,
On 05/10/2013 10:17 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:
> Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little detail so
> seriously? I'm all for advertising irc.gnome.org in our websites etc.
> But there's really no need to take down DNS entries and whatnot.
It's sort of odd for a member of a sof
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> To many, 'gimp' is an offensive term an given our dedication to a11y
> it seems counter-intuitive to have this name in our infrastructure.
I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped
people (which I guess is what
Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little detail so
seriously? I'm all for advertising irc.gnome.org in our websites etc.
But there's really no need to take down DNS entries and whatnot.
On 10 May 2013 15:55, meg ford wrote:
> I'm saying that it's an I18n issue. I recently read that
This once was a discussion about technical things: IRC and DNS.
Part of it turned into "names of some stuff can be offensive in some
languages", and the usual arguments apply that are known already from
https://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue .
As I don't expect any new findings or arguments,
Hi Philip,
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 08:55 -0500, meg ford wrote:
>
> Hi Meg,
>
>
>
>
> > In general when people use the term "PC" in the US, they are talking
> > about being adopting extra careful/ newly coined language. That's not
> > what
Hi Philip,
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 17:06 -0500, meg ford wrote:
>
> Hey Meg,
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Philip Van Hoof
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> >
> > > We are
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 17:06 -0500, meg ford wrote:
Hey Meg,
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Philip Van Hoof
> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
> > We are looking into changing our irc server name from
> irc.gimpnet.org
>
On Wed, May 8, 2013 3:53 pm, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> Yet another PCPOS in GNOME. When will this stop? Is there an end? Any?
I refer you to GNOME's Code of Conduct:
https://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/
Be respectful and considerate, patient and generous. Please take this into
consideration in f
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 13:28 -0500, meg ford wrote:
> As a native English speaker I can verify that the term it is indeed a
> problem. The GIMP, however, is widely used by people I know who don't even
> know what Free Software is. Changing its name could have pretty negative
> consequences for thei
Hey,
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
> > We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org
> > to irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
>
> Why?
>
> > Essentially, it's become problematic
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org
> to irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
Why?
> Essentially, it's become problematic to have 'gimp' in the name of our
> server. To many, 'gimp' is an offensiv
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Guilherme de Siqueira Pastore <
gpast...@gnome.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 05:37:52PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> > The IRCD ran by the GIMPNET team has all the configuration files pointing
> > to their specific subdomains, that obviously won't change by
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 05:37:52PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> The IRCD ran by the GIMPNET team has all the configuration files pointing
> to their specific subdomains, that obviously won't change by just moving
> the CNAME to an A record. But that's actually expected since we don't run
> an IRCD s
The IRCD ran by the GIMPNET team has all the configuration files pointing
to their specific subdomains, that obviously won't change by just moving
the CNAME to an A record. But that's actually expected since we don't run
an IRCD server "in house" on the GNOME Infrastructure. (and that could be
the
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:43:45PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> The current DNS entry is setup as a CNAME, that means connecting to
> irc.gnome.org will redirect your client to irc.gimp.org. The idea here is
> to switch the DNS entry for irc.gnome.org to be an A record pointing to the
> irc.gimp.org
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Andrea Veri wrote:
> That said, any of the irc.*.gimp.* entries will remain as it is (really
> there's no need to update / delete the relevant entry for the solely reason
> that GIMPNET doesn't host only GNOME channels, we can't define GIMPNET as the
> *Official*
2013/5/8 Sriram Ramkrishna
The proposal is to make irc.gnome.org be an DNS A record and we will
> continue to honor irc.gimpnet.org as a CNAME for one year in which case
> we will then remove it altogether.
>
A little clarification about this, the GNOME Sysadmin team doesn't have
access to the D
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
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> On 05/08/2013 01:53 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> >> We are looking into changing our irc server name from
> >> irc.gi
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On 05/08/2013 01:53 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> We are looking into changing our irc server name from
>> irc.gimpnet.org to irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
>
> I think you mea
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On 05/08/2013 01:53 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
100% agreed; "gimp" is a slur and it's embarrassing to mention it when
helping new people get into GNOME.
Yes, we should also change the network name and welcome message.
- --
Sumana Harihareswar
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:53 -0700, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> Although, GIMP is an acronym I was not aware that connotation of gimp
> (as a non-English speaker I am not aware of many words either).
It's offensive enough that I can't easily talk about it in a work
context, which is unfortunate as
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org to
> irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
I think it's a good idea and support it.
Liam
--
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Pi
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 10:02 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org to
> irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
I think you mean irc.gimp.org or irc.gimp.net.
> Essentially, it's become problematic to have 'gimp' in the name of our
We are looking into changing our irc server name from irc.gimpnet.org to
irc.gnome.org and looking for feedback.
Essentially, it's become problematic to have 'gimp' in the name of our
server. To many, 'gimp' is an offensive term an given our dedication to
a11y it seems counter-intuitive to have t
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