Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service
I agree 100% here, just because we're supposed to have an ideology of free software doesn't mean we should be against using non-free software. The central point of the free software movement is that non-free software tramples the users' freedom. We must not ever treat non-free software as a solution, because that would contradict and undermine our principles. The Expectnation service may not be an example of releasing non-free software, so this issue may not apply to it. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service
On Jan 2, 2008 12:09 AM, Paul Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the expectnation v. free software debate, I think we should have a preference for free software I previously wrote about expectnation non being free software, well that's not right and I have to apologize. The software that runs Expectnation have just one user, the company tha runs the site, which also have full rights on that sotware. If the statment above is correct means that the company (the only one that has a copy of the software) also _has_ the four freedoms, this means that _it is_ free software in a trivial way. Sorry about the noise of my previous message. cheers -- Gian Mario Tagliaretti ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service
On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 16:43 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 17:24 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:09 +0200, Baris Cicek wrote: And whatever we do we need to do it quickly You are not going to put together a completely new system in time, using Drupal or anything else. That's not your fault and you shouldn't be punished for it. You probably do have time to try Expectnation and to configure it as you need. If you choose to waste time twiddling with ideologically-sound systems then the masses will blame you (rather than the zealots who persuaded you) for it later. I agree 100% here, just because we're supposed to have an ideology of free software doesn't mean we should be against using non-free software. Hell, dreamweaver is an awesome product! This logic extends further that if we are able to help Expectnation become open source (as a previous post suggested), then the way to do that is to embrace it now... Especially as it has features which are invaluable to GUADEC being a success in 2008! K, Ok, we need to separate out a couple of arguments to be precise here. I'm not against using non-free software if it fills a need that can not be filled by free software. However to look at this and say just use Expectnation without having a debate on the board is wrong. Murry's been playing the emotion card a bit too much lately (I object to being called a zealot) and others are ready to ditch free software solutions without taking a bit to really look at the requirements and seeing what matches up (no system so far has been able to streamline the issues of moving money into and out of Turkey for instance). BTW completely new system stretches the truth a bit. As others have posted Drupal does have conference plugins. Whether they are adequate is something to be seen. That being said, there is a requirement for the Foundation as the face of one of the biggest free software organizations to encourage the use of free software and foster its growth. A hint of perhaps someday, something might open up the sources does not enter into the equation. That punishes the people who have worked on solutions which are already free software. So, let the board do its work and weigh the pros and cons of each option. We might in the end go with Expectnation or we might go with Drupal or some other system someone brings to our attention. If someone has something constructive to add to our evaluation then please do. Leave all the name calling and rush to judgment out of it though. -- John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service
On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 17:24 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:09 +0200, Baris Cicek wrote: And whatever we do we need to do it quickly You are not going to put together a completely new system in time, using Drupal or anything else. That's not your fault and you shouldn't be punished for it. You probably do have time to try Expectnation and to configure it as you need. If you choose to waste time twiddling with ideologically-sound systems then the masses will blame you (rather than the zealots who persuaded you) for it later. I agree 100% here, just because we're supposed to have an ideology of free software doesn't mean we should be against using non-free software. Hell, dreamweaver is an awesome product! This logic extends further that if we are able to help Expectnation become open source (as a previous post suggested), then the way to do that is to embrace it now... Especially as it has features which are invaluable to GUADEC being a success in 2008! K, ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service
I agree 100% here, just because we're supposed to have an ideology of free software doesn't mean we should be against using non-free software. Hell, dreamweaver is an awesome product! This logic extends further that if we are able to help Expectnation become open source (as a previous post suggested), then the way to do that is to embrace it now... Especially as it has features which are invaluable to GUADEC being a success in 2008! If you rely on proprietary then you need to account for all the bad things it brings as well as the convenience in this case. What happens if Expectnation goes out of business before guadec 2008 ? What is the backup plan ? I'm not saying Expectnation isn't the right choice but that you have to do the rest of the work that goes with a proprietary choice. Alan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
