Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Dear Andre: Thanks andre do us a big favor. ^__^ thanks you We just update the https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit and start spread it out -- mail invitaion for Call for Paper to mail-list. Thanks to help us make things go forward. ^^ Best regards Max On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Brian Cameron píše v Po 20. 02. 2012 v 11:38 -0600: Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 June 9-15, 2012 Hong Kong Maybe I'm just impatient or don't follow the right places, but: I don't see any activity on https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-asia-list/ since October 2011. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit just links to CallForHost and Bids. That's both outdated now that we go for Hongkong. Call for Papers was mentioned in https://mail.gnome.org/archives/asia-summit-list/2012-March/msg2.html but I didn't see a call on planet.gnome.org or on the foundation-list. Last post on marketing-l...@gnome.org with Asia in subject line was in May 2011 so it seems that the marketing team is not involved? Last post in https://www.facebook.com/groups/23768529182/ also just mentions its existance: GNOME.Asia 2012 will be in Hong Kong on June 9-15. http://2012.gnome.asia/rfp/ seems to be online though - I just assume that simply nobody knows about it. If it hadn't come to my mind that I'm interested in giving some talks I wouldn't have found out that the submission deadline is in 17 days. Does anybody do some basic marketing for GNOME.Asia 2012? It doesn't feel like currently. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- _/_/ openSUSE Ambassador - Taiwan _/_/ _/_/ mail: sakanamax_at_gmail.com _/_/ _/_/ twitter: sakanamax _/_/ _/_/ nickname: sakana _/_/ -- ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Brian Cameron píše v Po 20. 02. 2012 v 11:38 -0600: Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 June 9-15, 2012 Hong Kong Maybe I'm just impatient or don't follow the right places, but: I don't see any activity on https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-asia-list/ since October 2011. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit just links to CallForHost and Bids. That's both outdated now that we go for Hongkong. Call for Papers was mentioned in https://mail.gnome.org/archives/asia-summit-list/2012-March/msg2.html but I didn't see a call on planet.gnome.org or on the foundation-list. Last post on marketing-l...@gnome.org with Asia in subject line was in May 2011 so it seems that the marketing team is not involved? Last post in https://www.facebook.com/groups/23768529182/ also just mentions its existance: GNOME.Asia 2012 will be in Hong Kong on June 9-15. http://2012.gnome.asia/rfp/ seems to be online though - I just assume that simply nobody knows about it. If it hadn't come to my mind that I'm interested in giving some talks I wouldn't have found out that the submission deadline is in 17 days. Does anybody do some basic marketing for GNOME.Asia 2012? It doesn't feel like currently. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 11:41 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 June 9-15, 2012 Hong Kong Does anybody plan to update https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit soonish? Or http://www.gnome.asia/ linking directly to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit/CallForHost ? andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Work is proceeding towards updating the brand new website for 2012 Asia summit and links will be updated soon as well as the call for sponsors and call for speakers. On 28 February 2012 20:52, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 11:41 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 June 9-15, 2012 Hong Kong ? Or http://www.gnome.asia/ linking directly to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2012Summit/CallForHost ? andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list Cheers -- Chandni Verma www.chandniverma.blogspot.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
The US also require visitors to give their fingerprints. This actually lead some of our contributors to avoid events like the Boston Summit. Bravo for them -- everyone should refuse! Notwithstanding that, a meeting in the US is useful because there are many GNOME developers in the US; they can attend without crossing any frontier. However, it could be good to have some sort of video link with a site in Europe so that people there can work with the US developers without having to cross a frontier. But I think GNOME Asia is really meant to be international, right? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
On 22 February 2012 16:09, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: The US also require visitors to give their fingerprints. This actually lead some of our contributors to avoid events like the Boston Summit. Bravo for them -- everyone should refuse! Notwithstanding that, a meeting in the US is useful because there are many GNOME developers in the US; they can attend without crossing any frontier. However, it could be good to have some sort of video link with a site in Europe so that people there can work with the US developers without having to cross a frontier. But I think GNOME Asia is really meant to be international, right? Exactly, and not just GNOME Asia, but any of the GNOME events for the common cause of spreading GNOME awareness to humans be they in India, Asia or any other part of the world which unfortunately many countries' bureaucrats fail to understand. From one paragraph of the reasons specified by the German Embassy at New Delhi for refusing issuance of visa to one of the speakers at Desktop Summit 2011, it is evident that they do not consider any of the community events as an international obligation despite of providing an invitation letter for participation from the registered organization, KDE e.V. : [German-English translation using Google Translate] Since the willingness to return after all could not be found, the visa lack fulfillment of the grant requirement of Article 21, Section 1 of the Visa Code under Article 23 paragraph 4 letter c), 32 paragraph 1 letter b) of the Code on Visas was refused. Under Article 23 paragraph 4 letter b), 25 paragraph 1 Visa Code allows a Member State nationals who may not meet the specific requirements of the Schengen Article 5 para 1 Borders Code, the entry into its territory on humanitarian grounds, on grounds of nationalinterest or permit because of international obligations. Derarti-ge reasons were neither argued nor are they seen. Even if the entry conditions of Article 5 § 1 Schengen Borders Code would be answered in the affirmative and the other conditions for granting visas Code 21, Section 1 A. The speaker refused visa above was me, but it could have been anybody. The GNOME foundation faced and bore loss for two visa rejections for the event last year. It would be great to have more efforts towards making GNOME events more clearly visible as international obligations since they are organized for the benefit of the world as a whole. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Chandni Verma www.chandniverma.blogspot.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
On 02/22/2012 08:48 PM, Chandni Verma wrote: unfortunately many countries' bureaucrats fail to understand. Just to mitigate that comment: a few years back I was informed about the number of visa issued in another Asian country to citizens of that country (not India - I think it can be applied a lot of countries in this region) to France and how many people came back: visa isssued: 70,000 number of people who came back: 35,000 That means that 35,000 people had disappeared. They were living in France or Europe illegally and could have become forced workers (from hard manual labor, to sewing in underground illegal shops, or having been tricked by the sex industry or worse) or just had been 'abducted' and God knows what. So with that in mind those bureaucrats are actually trying to protect people from being abused or ending up in terrible living conditions with very little hope to ever seeing their family and friends again. When you fill a visa application you need to put the best effort possible to convince those bureaucrats you will come back no matter what, and can take care of yourself (and will not look for employment while in the country of destination). I've heard of a few rejections while doing Gnome.Asia from Asian people traveling to another Asian country and in all cases it was an obvious mistake on their part in the way they filled the application form (such as but not limited to: requesting double entry visa to attend a 1-time event, requesting a business visa for a 1 week event, etc). We have tried to assist people during their application but they often do not listen. I hope this perspective will make you see the 'other side' of the visa story. All the best. Fred ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
I hope this perspective will make you see the 'other side' of the visa story. All the best. You are right. Fred __**_ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/foundation-listhttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Chandni ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
There are several countries in Asia which require their visitors to give fingerprints. These include South Korea, Japan, and Malaysia. Indonesia may be starting to do this too. I hope we will avoid those countries. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Richard, Le mardi 21 février 2012, à 07:10 -0500, Richard Stallman a écrit : There are several countries in Asia which require their visitors to give fingerprints. These include South Korea, Japan, and Malaysia. Indonesia may be starting to do this too. I hope we will avoid those countries. The US also require visitors to give their fingerprints. This actually lead some of our contributors to avoid events like the Boston Summit. Still, I think it's important that we do events in as many countries as possible (even in those with such a policy), since it's the best way to reach out to the local people and help create a vibrant community there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
