L505 wrote:
MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under Delphi. Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran. Pretty
impressive really.
And the exe's/elf's it
L505 wrote:
MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under Delphi. Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran. Pretty
impressive really.
And the exe's/elf's it generates
Micha Nelissen schreef:
L505 wrote:
MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under
Delphi. Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the
IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran.
Pretty
impressive really.
And the
Vincent Snijders wrote:
It can see the advantages and they should not be diminished:
- having different compilers to confirm or exclude a compiler bug.
Debugging FPC by using Lazarus is stupid and overkill IMHO ;-).
- The cycle, code, compile, run, debug, code is quicker on Delphi, (if
you
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 10.33, Micha Nelissen wrote:
Martin Schreiber wrote:
mseide without DB support:ziped
Are you afraid to draw conclusions?
FPC db units do not compile with Delphi/Kylix, in MSEgui I use FPC db units -
MSEide with db support can only be compiled with
Smaller than FPC ? That shouldn't differ too much, I think.
Delphi's optimizer is superior to FPC currently. Delphi has another 10 - 15
years and paid developers on top of FPC, so this can be expected, I guess.
And the compiler is just sooo fast.
Delphi 2005 gives 1.48MB for the mside.exe
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Matt Emson wrote:
Smaller than FPC ? That shouldn't differ too much, I think.
Delphi's optimizer is superior to FPC currently. Delphi has another 10 - 15
years and paid developers on top of FPC, so this can be expected, I guess.
And the compiler is just sooo fast.
The
Micha Nelissen schreef:
Smaller than FPC ? That shouldn't differ too much, I think.
I don't really see why ability to compile with Delphi is so big an
advantage (distinct) ?
It can see the advantages and they should not be diminished:
- having different compilers to confirm or
Compile time with Delphi/Kylix is much faster.
Again, how much ? Win32 is probably a lot slower, but nevertheless you
should give some reproduceable figures.
As discussed in another thread, with FPC 2.x, we put a lot of effort into a
maintainable and portable compiler because of rare time.
Smaller than FPC ? That shouldn't differ too much, I think.
From public.mseide-msegui.talk (news.dxmachine.com):
Some more exe sizes on linux, MSEide+MSEgui V0.8a, FPC V2.0.3:
mseide without DB support:ziped
Kylix 3 1.6 MB 672 KB
FPC with
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Marco van de Voort wrote:
Micha Nelissen schreef:
Smaller than FPC ? That shouldn't differ too much, I think.
I don't really see why ability to compile with Delphi is so big an
advantage (distinct) ?
It can see the advantages and they should not be diminished:
-
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 11.55, Marco van de Voort wrote:
This could be caused by Kylix being able to some
more advanced types of smartlinking due to own linker. (e.g. vtable
optimization)
And I suspect RTTI info.
If your binaries use libc, recompiling FPC with dFPC_USE_LIBC might bring
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I have
read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
Speaking of bigger applications, I don't see much difference between 6 or 30 Mb
executables...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, ??? wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I have
read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
Speaking of bigger applications, I don't see much
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, ??? wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I
have read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
Speaking of bigger applications, I don't see much
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Marco van de Voort wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, ??? wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I have
read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
Speaking
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Marco van de Voort wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, ??? wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I
have read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
L505 wrote:
MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under Delphi.
Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran.
Pretty
impressive really.
And the exe's/elf's it
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:42:05 +0100
Matt Emson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
debugger, fine. However do not blame your dislike of the Delphi debugger on
your personal debugging preferences. I've been using Delphi commercially
since 1998, or there abouts, and the debugger is perfectly acceptable. The
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, L505 wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, ??? wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important, there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I
have
read, it's currently compilable by FPC.
KOL
Matt Emson wrote:
No, it's because it's technology of the 90s and no significant further
development of the compiler has been done. No 64 bit support so far, the
optimizer is only reasonable good for a pentium (just compare other
commercial
compilers with Delphi).
If it ain't broke, don't
L505 wrote:
I think this is poor marketing for FPC: telling people that size/bloat is not
an issue.
Then what good is FPC for us? FPC is a compiled language! The whole point of
a compiled
language, is to have SOME advantage over an interpreted language. What is
this advantage,
if not
L505 wrote:
I think this is poor marketing for FPC: telling people that size/bloat is
not an
issue.
Then what good is FPC for us? FPC is a compiled language! The whole point
of a
compiled
language, is to have SOME advantage over an interpreted language. What is
this
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, L505 wrote:
Very nice compact stringlist in there to use...
Standard Classes stringlist adds about 60K-70K to your exe/elf while
CompactUtils
PStrList only adds maybe 1-5KB.
Please compare what is comparable:
The Classes unit contains more than just the
L505 wrote:
L505 wrote:
I think this is poor marketing for FPC: telling people that size/bloat is
not an
issue.
Then what good is FPC for us? FPC is a compiled language! The whole point
of a
compiled
language, is to have SOME advantage over an interpreted language. What is
this
L505 wrote:
Very nice compact stringlist in there to use...
Standard Classes stringlist adds about 60K-70K to your exe/elf while
CompactUtils
PStrList only adds maybe 1-5KB.
Please compare what is comparable:
The Classes unit contains more than just the TStringlist and TList.
It contains
debugger, fine. However do not blame your dislike of the Delphi debugger
on
your personal debugging preferences. I've been using Delphi commercially
since 1998, or there abouts, and the debugger is perfectly acceptable.
The
So can you confirm that looking at variables that are up the stack
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Well, compared with other commercial compilers it is broken ;)
Heh, well when I can do what I am currently able to do in Delphi in an FPC
based IDE, we'll talk again, yes? ;-)
___
fpc-pascal maillist -
Matt Emson wrote:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Well, compared with other commercial compilers it is broken ;)
Heh, well when I can do what I am currently able to do in Delphi in an FPC
based IDE, we'll talk again, yes? ;-)
This won't never happen, you miss one important point: the main
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, I wrote:
I do neither use Lazarus, nor MSEide, but if executable size is really
important,
L there is something called KOL (I didn't use it either). As I have read, it's
currently
L compilable by FPC.
It's in russian, this is my first source of information about KOL
Because of
the superior functionality valgrind offers, I've installed vmware at my
pc at work and compile sometimes my programs with gcc (usually developed
with MSVC) to find memory leaks, dangling pointers etc.
Hmmm... so GCC produces the exact same output as MSVC now? I don't think so.
All
MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under Delphi. Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran. Pretty
impressive really.
M
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MSEgui has a distinct advantage over Lazarus. It compiles under Delphi. Just
tried it. Fiddled with one or two lines in the code, but I got the IDE to
compile and run and then built a small hello world app that also ran. Pretty
impressive really.
And the exe's/elf's it generates are
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