Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
They never issued updates for releases for which support has expired. The question is whether they're continuing to issue updates for FM 2015 now that FM 2017 is out. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > This page gives some information about when the last

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Craig Ede
This page gives some information about when the last updates for various versions of FrameMaker were released: http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=Windows Look like FM8 was last updated 7/15/2009 and that it was an update to fix a problem caused by Win XP SP3. But that's

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Robert Lauriston
Any company that wants to sell installed software to large organizations can't limit support (which includes major bug fixes and security updates) to the current release. Adobe used to do that for FrameMaker. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > And what if

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Craig Ede
And what if the bug fix to an earlier version introduced a new bug? As I said a couple of messages ago, I highly doubt that any fix would be applied to earlier versions of FrameMaker. I'm not sure that any company does that. Craig From: Framers

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Peter Gold
You're welcome, Pat. I got a big laugh from it the first time I saw it back in the '90s. IIRC, Janice Gelb originally posted it. As I think more on it, I'm pretty sure that she claimed to have translated it. Whatever, she deserves the credit! On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Pat Christenson <

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Lin Sims
If you're talking about the Esc shortcuts, I hadn't heard that they'd been deprecated. They're certainly still documented in the Keyboard Shortcuts appendix (up through FrameMaker 2015). I don't know if I'd expect Adobe to fix earlier versions, but it would be nice if it could be fixed for at

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Fred Ridder
I would be very surprised to see any bug fixes for older versions of FrameMaker. What would be the business case for Adobe expending resources that produce absolutely no revenue? If the bug related to a security issue or file corruption that caused users t lose work, that would be one thing.

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Craig Ede
Let's see what happens with bug-fixes to the older versions. Craig From: Framers on behalf of Ken Poshedly Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:46 AM To: fr...@daube.ch; An email

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Pat Christenson
Peter, thanks for making me laugh. I'd never heard about the lorem ipsum translation. Pat -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=morningstar@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 5:18 PM To: An email list for

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Lin Sims
Do you want information for the Esc+ shortcuts, also? That's a more frequent problem. On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Stefan Gentz wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > thanks for filing in this as a bug. > > @all: Could you please put in your System Configuration (exact Windows > version /

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Ken Poshedly
Many, many thanks Rick! If an update or bug-fix is released, it will hopefully apply downward to at least FM10 (which I run at home) and FM11 (which I run at my office) because I know for sure that my company will NEVER update to a newer version because it costs money. (Plus, I myself prefer to

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Stefan Gentz
Hi Klaus, thanks for filing in this as a bug. @all: Could you please put in your System Configuration (exact Windows version / 32/64 bit) and other software (name, version) that you are using that forces this behavior to occur in the bug report, that Klaus has created:

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Rickaby
This is going OT but it's interesting to see how much deep and embedded bitterness bullets and numbering in Word have engendered. FWIW, when I faced this issue in anger many, many years ago I hired an MVP I knew to sort it all out. She assured me that Word's underlying numbering 'engine' was

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-03 Thread Klaus Daube
On 2 May 2017 at 14:36, Ken Poshedly wrote: > Folks, > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be > done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again > this