Re: Frame versus XSL-FO
Well, it was the original poster (Ed) who brought up DITA. And Author-IT is a ($$$) product; the DITA-OT is not (and was never intended to be one), it's a reference implementation. Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
attribute illus is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the illus attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the
DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for illus. This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is
converting the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch
was because the attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define illus as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute illus is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
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Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the
following error:
Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template.
The link takes me to the is fm graphic element statement below.
My rules are:
element Graphic
{
is fm graphic element Graphic;
fm property entity value is illus;
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
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Reappearing Change Bars
Hi, all! I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either. In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don't see how that would affect this). Thanks! Kristy Kristy Nolan Manager, Flight Operations Central Publications HDQ-1CP Southwest Airlines 2702 Love Field Dr. Dallas, TX 75235 214-792-6142 *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.inline: image001.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Reappearing Change Bars
Kristy, Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change bars ) FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that could trigger a new changebar. Peter From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:01 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: Reappearing Change Bars Hi, all! I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either. In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don't see how that would affect this). Thanks! Kristy Kristy Nolan Manager, Flight Operations Central Publications HDQ-1CP Southwest Airlines 2702 Love Field Dr. Dallas, TX 75235 214-792-6142 _ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. image002.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi, all. I'm using FM 10 and RH 9 on a Windows 7 system. I see that there are at least two ways to chunk .fm content into separate .html topics when you import a FrameMaker project into RoboHelp: 1. When setting up the import of .fm files, set the pagination value to a heading level; topics begin at each new instance of that heading level. 2. Create custom markers to identify the beginning of a topic. Question: How do you indicate the end of the topic? I've found that with technique #1, because subheading levels do not follow a rigid scheme in our unstructured documents, I have to use a lot of conditional text and some additional paragraph tags to fool RoboHelp into combining several subsections that it wants to separate. I haven't tried technique #2. Does anyone use it? There has to be a way to indicate the end of each topic you mark -- can you tell me what it is? Given that you can scope out topics in the .FM file, I assume there's a lot less need for conditional text. Do you find this to be so? Are there any pitfalls to this method? Is there any other approach to chunking text that I'm missing? Thanks for all advice. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Nancy Allison wrote: 2. Create custom markers to identify the beginning of a topic. Question: How do you indicate the end of the topic? The end of a topic is the beginning of the next topic. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Dang, I think.Let's say I have a longish chapter:Chapter TitleInternal TOCHeading 1 IntroHeading 2Heading 2Heading 2Heading 1Heading 2Heading 2Heading 2Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sectionswith asterisks:Chapter TitleInternal TOC**Heading 1 Intro**Heading 2Heading 2Heading 2Heading 1Heading 2*Heading 2Heading 2Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by .In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help.I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh?Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up?Thanks.--Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
What I would do is build a new .book file with all the required bits you want to see over in RH then bring that in. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 11:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH Dang, I think. Let's say I have a longish chapter: Chapter Title Internal TOC Heading 1 Intro Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: Chapter Title Internal TOC **Heading 1 Intro **Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 *Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh? Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi, Jeff.Do you mean cut delete the content that is not wanted in online help and create a second set of parallel, cut-down .fm files? That would mean blowing up the single-sourcing model, which I would not want to do . . If you mean something else, I'm all ears.Thanks.--NancyOn 03/01/13, Jeff Coatsworthjeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com wrote:What I would do is build a new .book file with all the required bits you want to see over in RH then bring that in.From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy AllisonSent: Friday, March 01, 2013 11:19 AMTo: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RHDang, I think.Let's say I have a longish chapter:Chapter Title Internal TOCHeading 1 IntroHeading 2Heading 2Heading 2Heading 1Heading 2Heading 2Heading 2Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sectionswith asterisks:Chapter TitleInternal TOC**Heading 1 Intro**Heading 2Heading 2Heading 2Heading 1Heading 2*Heading 2Heading 2Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by .In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help.I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh?Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up?Thanks.--Nancy___You are currently subscribed to framers as ma...@verizon.net.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maker%40verizon.netSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
On 01/03/2013 11:18 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: Dang, I think. Let's say I have a longish chapter: Chapter Title Internal TOC Heading 1 Intro Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: Chapter Title Internal TOC **Heading 1 Intro **Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 *Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. You could accomplish this by putting your starred heading sections into separate files imported as text insets. For the RH source, create a new book containing new files containing only the insets. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:54:04 -0600 (CST), Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Is there any other approach to chunking text that I'm missing? Yes, use a product that really works with Frame as it is, like Mif2Go... and avoid all the pain you describe, and that would be required for all the responses so far, in one fell swoop. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Re: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Very interesting, thank you! Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help.You could accomplish this by putting your starred heading sections into separate files imported as text insets. For the RH source, create a new book containing new files containing only the insets.HTH,-- Stuart RogersTechnical CommunicatorPhoenix Geophysics Limited3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Ah, I see what you're saying, Jeff.The entire list of headings, beginning with Chapter Title, is one .fm file. The Heading 1 and Heading 2s are relatively short sections within the .fm file and would create a lengthy book file if they were saved as individual .fm files and entered separately in the .bk file.--NancyOn 03/01/13, Jeff Coatsworthjeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com wrote:Maybe I misunderstood - are these chunks all within 1 .fm file or 1 .book? I was assuming that they were separate .fm files and could be recombined in a new .book structure for the purposes of conversion. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Re: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi, Jeremy.With regard to selecting only some text from a lengthy .fm file to turn into .html files, how does mif2go offer better control? I assume I would still need to indicate heading level at which to split the .fm files, and conditional text to mask unwanted text.Does mif2go make either of those actions unnecessary?Thanks.On 03/01/13, Jeremy H. Griffithjer...@omsys.com wrote:On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:54:04 -0600 (CST), Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:Is there any other approach to chunking text that I'm missing?Yes, use a product that really works with Frame as it is,like Mif2Go... and avoid all the pain you describe, andthat would be required for all the responses so far, in one fell swoop. ;-)-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.jer...@omsys.com http://mif2go.com/___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Reappearing Change Bars
No, we don't have change bars on automatic.KristyKristy NolanCentral Pubs - Flight OpsOn Mar 1, 2013, at 8:21 AM, "Peter Hirons" pe...@galley.ie wrote: image002.jpgKristy,Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change bars )FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that could trigger a new changebar.PeterFrom: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy NolanSent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:01 PMTo: FrameUsers ListSubject: Reappearing Change BarsHi, all!I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn’t always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don’t see how that would affect this).Thanks!KristyKristy NolanManager, Flight OperationsCentral Publications HDQ-1CPSouthwest Airlines2702 Love Field Dr.Dallas, TX 75235214-792-6142*** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ***This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Nancy, consider creating markers for all headings, regardless of whether you plan to use them or not. Let RoboHelp break them into topics. Then in your RoboHelp TOC and browse sequences, just include the topics that you want. Yes, the unwanted ones will go along for the ride when the file is generated, but users won't know they are there because neither the TOC nor the browse sequence uses them. Carol At 11:00 AM 3/1/2013, you wrote: From: Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:18:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: 1566519.1789592.1362154725119.JavaMail.root@vznit170134 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH Message: 25 Dang, I think. Let's say I have a longish chapter: Chapter Title Internal TOC Heading 1 Intro Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: Chapter Title Internal TOC **Heading 1 Intro **Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 *Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh? Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Carol, are you speaking of custom Markers that RH could then look for?I like the idea of just removing unwanted topics, sounds very painless!--NancyOn 03/01/13, Carol J. Elkinscelk...@awrittenword.com wrote:Nancy, consider creating markers for all headings, regardless of whether you plan to use them or not. Let RoboHelp break them into topics. Then in your RoboHelp TOC and browse sequences, just include the topics that you want. Yes, the unwanted ones will go along for the ride when the file is generated, but users won't know they are there because neither the TOC nor the browse sequence uses them.Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM-to-RH users' list?
There's a specific FM to RH Google group, tcs-us...@googlegroups.com and there's the Adobe forums... http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp/robohelp_framemaker I have quite a bit of info at mattrsullivan.com as well. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, all. I am painfully picking my way toward success with the FM-to-RH conversion process; I can see that Im going to have a series of questions as I keep stubbing my toes against one problem or another. Is there a better list for me to post questions to? I realize HATT may be my best bet, and I'm going to check it out. Is there any other list that is better suited to the FM/RH lovefest? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi Nancy, Here's how we do this - we have two heading styles for all our major headings. Level 1 starts a new page in RH, and Level1nopage looks exactly the same but does not have the Pagination option selected in the RH mapping. Similarly, we have Level2 and Level2nopage, and so on. Our Level 4 doesn't need to start a new page in RH, so we don't have dual styles for it. This sounds complicated, but it's really easy. You just go through your FM files and apply the nopage equivalent to the sections that shouldn't start a new page. I hope this helps! Alexandra Duffy Lead Technical Writer Nemetschek Vectorworks, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi, Alexandra. I think this is what Robert Lauriston has been saying, also.Both the formats you use are picked up in your FrameMaker TOC for your PDF output, (assuming you are single-sourcing to PDF also), correct?This sounds like a great solution. Very elegant.--NancyOn 03/01/13, Alexandra Duffyadu...@vectorworks.net wrote:Hi Nancy,Here’s how we do this – we have two heading styles for all our major headings. Level 1 starts a new page in RH, and Level1nopage looks exactly the same but does not have the Pagination option selected in the RH mapping. Similarly, we have Level2 and Level2nopage, and so on. Our Level 4 doesn’t need to start a new page in RH, so we don’t have dual styles for it.This sounds complicated, but it’s really easy. You just go through your FM files and apply the “nopage” equivalent to the sections that shouldn’t start a new page.I hope this helps!Alexandra DuffyLead Technical WriterNemetschek Vectorworks, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?
You have to understand that even what UI experience they had with the Mac they threw away when they orphaned the Mac OS on FrameMaker. It's been solid windows since Version 8. They took the Microsoft design philosophy to heart and are busy fixing things that aren't broken. Including the UI. The interface on all the other products, even those that support the Mac OS are slavishly devoted to Microsoft design efforts. Scott Karen Robbins wrote: I don't think Adobe's UI work has anything to do with Macs. In fact, it seems to be the antithesis of Mac UI design! :-) Recent/current versions of FM's UI (and those of other Adobe products) apparently do not make comprehensible use of usability research! The complaints I read on this list frequently point to how the bad UI interferes with and requires extra steps to workflow. For the complex projects of Adobe's target FM users, one would think that exceptionally efficient and intuitive workflow would be demanded and required. From a user's standpoint, consistency at the expense of usability is, at best, ineffective. As long as we keep using this (and all) Adobe products--and do so without creative and instructional criticism, their UIs will continue to be designed ineffectively. Only when users speak up with voices and dollars [insert your local currency here] is there a chance for the UI to improve. --Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hi Lisa,
I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
attribute "illus" is fm property entity;
}
This will work if the "illus" attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the
DTD.
In your EDD remove the attribute definition for "illus". This will not be
needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is
converting the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type mismatch
was because the attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.
If the DTD does not define "illus" as ENTITY, then use this rule instead:
attribute "illus" is fm property file;
That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.
Ian
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Technical Director
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Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581
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Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict
Hello All,
I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.
I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the
following error:
"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by the
read/write rules is different from that defined by the template."
The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.
My rules are:
element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element "Graphic";
fm property entity value is "illus";
}
And I have the following defined in my EDD:
Element (Graphic): Graphic
Attribute list
Name: illus Integer Required
Initial graphic element format
In all contexts.
Insert imported graphic file.
Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst
<http://www.oneil.com> O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.
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Reappearing Change Bars
Hi, all! I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either. In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don't see how that would affect this). Thanks! Kristy Kristy Nolan Manager, Flight Operations Central Publications HDQ-1CP Southwest Airlines 2702 Love Field Dr. Dallas, TX 75235 214-792-6142 *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/c9e203bf/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/c9e203bf/attachment.jpg>
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Kristy, Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change bars ) FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that could trigger a new changebar. Peter From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:01 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: Reappearing Change Bars Hi, all! I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either. In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don't see how that would affect this). Thanks! Kristy Kristy Nolan Manager, Flight Operations Central Publications HDQ-1CP Southwest Airlines 2702 Love Field Dr. Dallas, TX 75235 214-792-6142 _ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/464c1a18/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/464c1a18/attachment.jpe>
Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
Hi, all. I'm using FM 10 and RH 9 on a Windows 7 system. I see that there are at least two ways to chunk .fm content into separate .html topics when you import a FrameMaker project into RoboHelp: 1. When setting up the import of .fm files, set the pagination value to a heading level; topics begin at each new instance of that heading level. 2. Create custom markers to identify the beginning of a topic. Question: How do you indicate the end of the topic? I've found that with technique #1, because subheading levels do not follow a rigid scheme in our unstructured documents, I have to use a lot of conditional text and some additional paragraph tags to fool RoboHelp into combining several subsections that it wants to separate. I haven't tried technique #2. Does anyone use it? There has to be a way to indicate the end of each topic you mark -- can you tell me what it is? Given that you can scope out topics in the .FM file, I assume there's a lot less need for conditional text. Do you find this to be so? Are there any pitfalls to this method? Is there any other approach to chunking text that I'm missing? Thanks for all advice. --Nancy
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Nancy Allison wrote: > 2. Create custom markers to identify the beginning of a topic. Question: How > do you indicate the end of the topic? The end of a topic is the beginning of the next topic. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
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What I would do is build a new .book file with all the required bits you want to see over in RH & then bring that in. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 11:19 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH Dang, I think. Let's say I have a longish chapter: Chapter Title Internal TOC Heading 1 Intro Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: Chapter Title Internal TOC **Heading 1 Intro **Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 *Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh? Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up? Thanks. --Nancy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/0116b15c/attachment.html>
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Maybe I misunderstood - are these chunks all within 1 .fm file or 1 .book? I was assuming that they were separate .fm files and could be recombined in a new .book structure for the purposes of conversion. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:06 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH Hi, Jeff. Do you mean cut delete the content that is not wanted in online help and create a second set of parallel, cut-down .fm files? That would mean blowing up the single-sourcing model, which I would not want to do . . If you mean something else, I'm all ears. Thanks. --Nancy On 03/01/13, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: What I would do is build a new .book file with all the required bits you want to see over in RH & then bring that in. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 11:19 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH Dang, I think. Let's say I have a longish chapter: Chapter Title Internal TOC Heading 1 Intro Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: Chapter Title Internal TOC **Heading 1 Intro **Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 2 Heading 1 Heading 2 *Heading 2 Heading 2 Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the two sections preceded by . In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html topic that way, but that is not to be, eh? Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom markers to get the effects I want. Does that sum it up? Thanks. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as maker at verizon.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/maker%40verizon.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/ccfbc83b/attachment.html>
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On 01/03/2013 11:18 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: > Dang, I think. > Let's say I have a longish chapter: > Chapter Title > Internal TOC > Heading 1 Intro > Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Heading 1 > Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to > transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: > Chapter Title > Internal TOC > **Heading 1 Intro > **Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Heading 1 > Heading 2 > *Heading 2 > Heading 2 > Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded by > ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same with the > two sections preceded by . > In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger chapter > and only convert that carved-out info into online help. You could accomplish this by putting your starred heading sections into separate files imported as text insets. For the RH source, create a new book containing new files containing only the insets. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:54:04 -0600 (CST), Nancy Allison > wrote: >Is there any other approach to chunking text that I'm missing? Yes, use a product that really works with Frame as it is, like Mif2Go... and avoid all the pain you describe, and that would be required for all the responses so far, in one fell swoop. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
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Frame versus XSL-FO
Hi Ed... Yes .. the cost is definitely related to the complexity. If you have FO developers in-house, that will help a lot. The key is that you need a solid understanding of XSLT, plus you need to fully understand page layout concepts, and on top of that the FO language itself is huge and complex. If you want to learn FO, I highly recommend finding a way to take Ken Holman's class "Practical Formatting Using XSL-FO" (see http://www.cranesoftwrights.com/). This will give you a good solid base from which to start. A lot of XSLT developers think that they can also do FO development. That's where you run into trouble. There's a lot more involved. However .. regardless of your ability to create and maintain FO stylesheets, you can never achieve the same level of formatting with FO that you get from FM. You can get close, and if close is good enough (along with other benefits of FO), then FO can be a good solution. Cheers, ...scott On 2/27/13 12:12 PM, Ed Nodland wrote: > These are good inputs. > > The "site:" for searching was new to me. Thanks > > I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11. I hope > Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on. > > I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being > more difficult then basic XSLT. We program many XSLTs, some are > complex that merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded > data in tables, tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, > etc. XSLT becomes a powerful programming language for text processing > if it is written recursively like the old LISP language. I agree this > can be daunting, but maybe I could eat FO for breakfast. I'll have to > looking to it further when due dates don't get in my way. > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard > mailto:richard.combs at polycom.com>> wrote: > > Harro de Jong wrote: > > > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com > <http://frameusers.com> to search > > older topics > > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something > out of the 90's. > > Am I > > > missing some capability somewhere? > > > > > > I use the search at > > < > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html> > > I use Google: site:frameusers.com > <http://frameusers.com> > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as sp10 at leximation.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/8ee22ed0/attachment.html>
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Nancy, consider creating markers for all headings, regardless of whether you plan to use them or not. Let RoboHelp break them into topics. Then in your RoboHelp TOC and browse sequences, just include the topics that you want. Yes, the unwanted ones will go along for the ride when the file is generated, but users won't know they are there because neither the TOC nor the browse sequence uses them. Carol At 11:00 AM 3/1/2013, you wrote: >From: Nancy Allison >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:18:45 -0600 (CST) >Message-ID: <1566519.1789592.1362154725119.JavaMail.root at vznit170134> >Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 >Subject: Re: RE: Chunking FM files into Topics for RH >Message: 25 > >Dang, I think. > >Let's say I have a longish chapter: > >Chapter Title >Internal TOC >Heading 1 Intro >Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Heading 1 >Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Let's say that, of all of that content, the only content I want to >transform into .html topic files are the sections with asterisks: > >Chapter Title >Internal TOC >**Heading 1 Intro >**Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Heading 2 >Heading 1 >Heading 2 >*Heading 2 >Heading 2 > Let's further say that I want to combine the two sections preceded > by ** into one .html topic file, and I also want to do the same > with the two sections preceded by . > >In other words, I want to carve information out of the larger >chapter and only convert that carved-out info into online help. > >I was hoping I could insert a marker called, say, Customer Help >Marker Start at the beginning of each chunk and a marker called >Custom Help Marker End at the end, thus identifying each new .html >topic that way, but that is not to be, eh? > >Instead, I need to use a combination of conditional text and custom >markers to get the effects I want. > >Does that sum it up? > >Thanks. > >--Nancy
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FM-to-RH users' list?
There's a specific FM to RH Google group, TCS-Users at googlegroups.com and there's the Adobe forums... http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp/robohelp_framemaker I have quite a bit of info at mattrsullivan.com as well. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: > Hi, all. > > I am painfully picking my way toward success with the FM-to-RH conversion > process; I can see that I"m going to have a series of questions as I keep > stubbing my toes against one problem or another. > > Is there a better list for me to post questions to? I realize HATT may be my > best bet, and I'm going to check it out. > > Is there any other list that is better suited to the FM/RH lovefest? > > Thanks. > > --Nancy > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as matt at mattrsullivan.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/5b7fd118/attachment.html>
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Hi Nancy, Here's how we do this - we have two heading styles for all our major headings. Level 1 starts a new page in RH, and Level1nopage looks exactly the same but does not have the Pagination option selected in the RH mapping. Similarly, we have Level2 and Level2nopage, and so on. Our Level 4 doesn't need to start a new page in RH, so we don't have dual styles for it. This sounds complicated, but it's really easy. You just go through your FM files and apply the "nopage" equivalent to the sections that shouldn't start a new page. I hope this helps! Alexandra Duffy Lead Technical Writer Nemetschek Vectorworks, Inc. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/f73d85bc/attachment.html>
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On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 12:08:25 -0600 (CST), Nancy Allison wrote: > Hi, Jeremy. With regard to selecting only some >text from a lengthy .fm file to turn into .html >files, how does mif2go offer better control? By making that selection very simple, and providing a way to apply it automatically to many files without repeating it for them. >I assume I would still need to indicate heading >level at which to split the .fm files, Yes; the telepathic interface isn't ready yet. ;-) But there are many ways to specify where to split, and the simplest is by format, as in: [HTMLStyles] HeadTitle=Split Title Contents Heading1=Split Title Contents Heading2=Split Title Contents Heading3=Split Title Contents The User's Guide, par. 18.2.1, "Designating split points", lays out all the methods. You can do some in the ini file with a simple text editor, and the rest in Frame. No other UI. >and conditional text to mask unwanted text. That's the usual method whn single-sourcing. You can choose which conditional text to show either by automatically importing a template that affects *only* the conversion, not your source files, or with Mif2Go settings, as in par. 5.4.1, "Applying condition Show/Hide settings". Way simpler than the RH GUI. >Does mif2go make either of those actions unnecessary? No, of course not; it just makes them a lot easier to do, automatically, very quickly, while producing extremely clean HTML. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
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> Hi, Alexandra. I think this is what Robert Lauriston has been saying, also. Aha, I am on the digest version, so I haven?t seen that yet. That?s why I?m usually a ?lurker? because someone answers first anyway! > Both the formats you use are picked up in your FrameMaker TOC for your PDF > output, (assuming you are single-sourcing to PDF also), correct? Yes, we set up our TOC to pick up the dual formats. Have a nice weekend! Alexandra -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/c38773da/attachment.html>
FrameMaker CMS: OpenText Integration
Hello Framers, Has anyone done any FrameMaker integration with OpenText content management system? Or more generally, has anyone done any custom CMS integration with FrameMaker 10 or 11? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com
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I create two identical styles, e.g. Heading 2 and Heading 2 Break (or Nobreak, depending on which is the most common), and define them differently in RoboHelp. Using markers is extra work and could cause problems if you have to switch to another tool.
Chunking FM files into Topics for RH
I can say from experience that my method is quick, easy, and gives you full control. On Mar 1, 2013 8:26 AM, "Robert Lauriston" wrote: > I create two identical styles, e.g. Heading 2 and Heading 2 Break (or > Nobreak, depending on which is the most common), and define them > differently in RoboHelp. > > Using markers is extra work and could cause problems if you have to > switch to another tool. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/b165113b/attachment.html>
Reappearing Change Bars
One thought is that the change bars option might be on for a character tag, and then that tag is used as part of some of your xrefs. Grant > On March 1, 2013 at 7:00 AM Kristy Nolan wrote: > > > Hi, all! > > > > I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either. > > > > In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references > that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent > revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross > references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process > because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from > the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn?t always > appear in the FrameMaker file. > > I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? > > > > The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point > (although I don?t see how that would affect this). > > > > Thanks! > > Kristy > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/0a618e85/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/0a618e85/attachment.jpg>
Frame versus XSL-FO
On 2/27/2013 2:12 PM, Ed Nodland wrote: > I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being > more difficult then basic XSLT. We program many XSLTs, some are complex > that merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in > tables, tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc. > XSLT becomes a powerful programming language for text processing if it > is written recursively like the old LISP language. I agree this can be > daunting, but maybe I could eat FO for breakfast. I'll have to looking > to it further when due dates don't get in my way. DISCLAIMER: I work for WebWorks. I believe there are 3 challenges to XSL-FO in general. Folks should be able to have success with it, but for three things: 1. XSL-FO is complex. It has more options and flags than you can shake a stick at. Now, there is a reason for all that complexity. It gives you the ability to format at the level you would find in FrameMaker or TeX/LaTeX for printing. That's if you have a solid XSL-FO processor. Commercial products are quite good and Apache is moving their FOP processor forward in the 1.1 version. 2. Lack of a UI to configure basic options. Well, this is what our product ePublisher provides for Frame, Word, and DITA sourced content. Much easier to make adjustments there rather than digging down into XSL-FO markup and XSL to make a routine change. 3. Lack of maintainable starting points. The DITA-OT provided an initial PDF option in the 1.2-1.4 releases. It was not well designed for extension. This was improved in the DITA-OT 1.5 and later release. Even so, there are challenges to maintaining different publishing profiles. ePublisher provides a baseline conversion and a proven method to help customer upgrade between releases and maintain minimal code changes (if code changes are necessary). Further, ePublisher provides starting points for page templates which can be customized to make it easier to get what you want without XSL. Folks are working on these problems. Progress is being made. Yet do keep in mind that XSL-FO is a very ambitious specification. Ben Allums allums at webworks.com 512-381-8885
SOLVED: Cannot find the file named...
Ah, Windows 7 It's always Windows, innit? In this case, it's the much-maligned User Access Control settings. 1) Navigate to Control Panel > System and Security > Action Center. 2) Click "Change User Access Control settings". 3) Set the slider to Never Notify and click OK. Double-click your BOOK file on your network share and watch it open in FM8.0p277. I have *no* idea how my UAC got tweaked--probably because of driver installations to communicate over a USB Serial Port. HTH; David Artman
Frame versus XSL-FO
Well, it sounds like the jury is in, and it does not look good for FO On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: > Hi Ed... > > Yes .. the cost is definitely related to the complexity. If you have FO > developers in-house, that will help a lot. The key is that you need a solid > understanding of XSLT, plus you need to fully understand page layout > concepts, and on top of that the FO language itself is huge and complex. If > you want to learn FO, I highly recommend finding a way to take Ken Holman's > class "Practical Formatting Using XSL-FO" (see > http://www.cranesoftwrights.com/). This will give you a good solid base > from which to start. > > A lot of XSLT developers think that they can also do FO development. > That's where you run into trouble. There's a lot more involved. > > However .. regardless of your ability to create and maintain FO > stylesheets, you can never achieve the same level of formatting with FO > that you get from FM. You can get close, and if close is good enough (along > with other benefits of FO), then FO can be a good solution. > > Cheers, > > ...scott > > > On 2/27/13 12:12 PM, Ed Nodland wrote: > > These are good inputs. > > The "site:" for searching was new to me. Thanks > > I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11. I hope > Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on. > > I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being > more difficult then basic XSLT. We program many XSLTs, some are complex > that merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables, > tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc. XSLT becomes a > powerful programming language for text processing if it is written > recursively like the old LISP language. I agree this can be daunting, but > maybe I could eat FO for breakfast. I'll have to looking to it further > when due dates don't get in my way. > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard < > richard.combs at polycom.com> wrote: > >> Harro de Jong wrote: >> >> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to >> search >> > older topics >> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of >> the 90's. >> > Am I >> > > missing some capability somewhere? >> > >> > >> > I use the search at >> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html> >> >> I use Google: site:frameusers.com >> >> Richard G. Combs >> Senior Technical Writer >> Polycom, Inc. >> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom >> 303-223-5111 >> -- >> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom >> 303-903-6372 >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as sp10 at leximation.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscribe at > lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/eb535867/attachment.html>
Reappearing Change Bars
It is possible that one of your users has added changebars manually (as an override). In that case you will have to remove them by applying the default font for the paragraph to the text in question. BTW: I have seen this happen when users are not aware of the automatic nature of change bars and they want to make sure it happens. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/d0629a81/attachment.html>
why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?
You have to understand that even what UI experience they had with the Mac they threw away when they orphaned the Mac OS on FrameMaker. It's been solid windows since Version 8. They took the Microsoft design philosophy to heart and are busy fixing things that aren't broken. Including the UI. The interface on all the other products, even those that support the Mac OS are slavishly devoted to Microsoft design efforts. Scott Karen Robbins wrote: > I don't think Adobe's UI work has anything to do with Macs. In fact, it > seems to be the antithesis of Mac UI design! :-) > > Recent/current versions of FM's UI (and those of other Adobe products) > apparently do not make comprehensible use of usability research! The > complaints I read on this list frequently point to how the bad UI > interferes with and requires extra steps to workflow. For the complex > projects of Adobe's target FM users, one would think that exceptionally > efficient and intuitive workflow would be demanded and required. From a > user's standpoint, consistency at the expense of usability is, at best, > ineffective. > > As long as we keep using this (and all) Adobe products--and do so > without creative and instructional criticism, their UIs will continue to > be designed ineffectively. Only when users speak up with voices and > dollars [insert your local currency here] is there a chance for the UI > to improve. > > --Karen > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as quills at airmail.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Frame versus XSL-FO
Well, it was the original poster (Ed) who brought up DITA. And Author-IT is a ($$$) product; the DITA-OT is not (and was never intended to be one), it's a reference implementation. Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130301/e17e482c/attachment.html>
