Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Steve Rickaby]

Ah, I get it now: you want to set up hyperlinks to arbitrary destinations that 
themselves contain user-defined text that is not an echo of any text at the 
destination target. [Like I said, I should have kept out of it.]

If Said doesn't come up with anything (which I doubt), I'll rake through my 
archives, but my suspicion is that Lin is correct: you need to use a script or 
something. I'm sure Rick could knock something up for you.
 
Unless Steve at siliconprairie has a plug-in that could help with this?

-- 
Steve
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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

-Original Message-
I said:
> As a completely separate BTW, if you put an underscore before and after the 
> word in emails (see -->), _some_ email systems will underline that word in 
> the email. The '*' makes it show in bold.

Oops, I am wrong. The underscore _italizes_ the word in email, not underline it.

Z
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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Okay, I found the PDF, but on this system, I don't have FrameMaker running, so 
I am not sure what I did (was eleven years ago ... and we went to an on-line 
version afterwards!). I _think_ it was cross-references in FrameMaker ...

Bertrand, I can send the PDF to you to show the result if you want (not to the 
list, since it will drop attachments) - if this is what you want to do, please 
let me know and I will look for that FM book on another system.

In this PDF, I did not underline the words, but the cursor changes in Acrobat 
(to show that clicking on the word will take you elsewhere within the 
document). Underlining would have been easy enough to add as well though.

Z

As a completely separate BTW, if you put an underscore before and after the 
word in emails (see -->), _some_ email systems will underline that word in the 
email. The '*' makes it show in bold.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:52 PM
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. ; 'Shmuel Wolfson' 
Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

Hmmm, I seem to recall doing this in FrameMaker ... I will see if I can find 
that document and remember how I did it.

Used it in a glossary doc, so I may be able to send it along since it is not 
proprietary information.

Z

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Bertrand Meyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:13 AM
To: 'Shmuel Wolfson' ; 'An email list for people using 
Adobe FrameMaker software.' 
Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

No. Let me explain. This is the text of a language standard (the previous 
version is an ISO standard, International Standards Organization). It is 
written very rigorously. (It is the result of many years of laborious effort by 
many people.) See 
https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-367.htm. Some 
words have their ordinary meanings and others have meanings introduced with a 
rigorous definition in the standard itself. In the previous version, such words 
are underlined. For example, a sentence such as

This particular beast might be a *cat* or it might be a *dog* or it 
might be an *unclassified* beast. 

(I have the impression that the remailer removes underlining so I am using 
asterisks, as in *underlined_word*, instead.) The example sentence uses 
underlining to expressthat the underlined notions, "cat", "dog" and 
"unclassified", have a formal definition somewhere in the text.

Quite understandably, people have started to ask that all such underlined 
elements should be links to the corresponding definitions. (Otherwise, the 
reader has to run searches all the time.)

This kind of thing is needed for any normative text of that kind, which 
includes precise definitions.

In FrameMaker terms, all the definitions are in paragraphs of one specific type 
(format in FrameMaker terminology), so the obvious thing to do from the 
writer's perspective would be to be able to select the target from a list of 
paragraphs of that type, as with cross-references. But cross-references don't 
work since they impose a format based on the target, not the source.

-- BM

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:55
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

Can't you just write "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems (page 
xx)"?

On 27-Oct-20 12:27 PM, Bertrand Meyer wrote:
> Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets 
> being paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources:
> I don't want them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the 
> FrameMaker sense, whose displayed text is deduced from the target 
> (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to be arbitrary text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- BM
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
> To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe 
> FrameMaker software. 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
>
>> Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a 
>> cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use 
>> a reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking 
>> text, as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", 
>> where the underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the
>> underline) is my own text but a link to some chosen place.
>>
>> Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a 
>> gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is 
>> horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The 

Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hmmm, I seem to recall doing this in FrameMaker ... I will see if I can find 
that document and remember how I did it.

Used it in a glossary doc, so I may be able to send it along since it is not 
proprietary information.

Z

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Bertrand Meyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:13 AM
To: 'Shmuel Wolfson' ; 'An email list for people using 
Adobe FrameMaker software.' 
Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

No. Let me explain. This is the text of a language standard (the previous 
version is an ISO standard, International Standards Organization). It is 
written very rigorously. (It is the result of many years of laborious effort by 
many people.) See 
https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-367.htm. Some 
words have their ordinary meanings and others have meanings introduced with a 
rigorous definition in the standard itself. In the previous version, such words 
are underlined. For example, a sentence such as

This particular beast might be a *cat* or it might be a *dog* or it 
might be an *unclassified* beast. 

(I have the impression that the remailer removes underlining so I am using 
asterisks, as in *underlined_word*, instead.) The example sentence uses 
underlining to expressthat the underlined notions, "cat", "dog" and 
"unclassified", have a formal definition somewhere in the text.

Quite understandably, people have started to ask that all such underlined 
elements should be links to the corresponding definitions. (Otherwise, the 
reader has to run searches all the time.)

This kind of thing is needed for any normative text of that kind, which 
includes precise definitions.

In FrameMaker terms, all the definitions are in paragraphs of one specific type 
(format in FrameMaker terminology), so the obvious thing to do from the 
writer's perspective would be to be able to select the target from a list of 
paragraphs of that type, as with cross-references. But cross-references don't 
work since they impose a format based on the target, not the source.

-- BM

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From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:55
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

Can't you just write "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems (page 
xx)"?

On 27-Oct-20 12:27 PM, Bertrand Meyer wrote:
> Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets 
> being paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources:
> I don't want them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the 
> FrameMaker sense, whose displayed text is deduced from the target 
> (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to be arbitrary text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- BM
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
> To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe 
> FrameMaker software. 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
>
>> Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a 
>> cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use 
>> a reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking 
>> text, as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", 
>> where the underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the
>> underline) is my own text but a link to some chosen place.
>>
>> Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a 
>> gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is 
>> horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The newlink is 
>> not conceptually necessary since all the targets are paragraphs so I 
>> should be able simply to choose from a paragraph list as with
> cross-references.
>
>  From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I 
> never needed to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you 
> are stymied by FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to 
> named styles, i.e. at the paragraph level, rather than to specific 
> runs of text such as a sentence. If there's a way to do this that 
> doesn't involve a double-link process, I'd be interested to hear of 
> it, even though I seldom use FrameMaker these days.
>
> --
> Baker Steve, aka Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP AMBHI Tel : +44 1 736
> 810575 Five times World Bread Awards winner:
> 2015 Silver, 2016 Silver, 2017 Bronze*2, 2019 Silver For more about 
> Real Bread, see 
> For more about me, see 
> For superficial waffle, see 
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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Lin Sims]

As Winfried said, there's no way to do this in FrameMaker, although someone
like Rick might be able to script it for you.

The closest you can get without a script is, I think, to use the Glossary
Term / Glossary Definition markers described by Matt Sullivan (
https://techcommtools.com/by-request-framemaker-glossary-and-glossaryterm-markers/),
but it's still going to be a manual process.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 8:18 AM Bertrand Meyer 
wrote:

> No. Let me explain. This is the text of a language standard (the previous
> version is an ISO standard, International Standards Organization). It is
> written very rigorously. (It is the result of many years of laborious
> effort by many people.) See
> https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-367.htm.
> Some words have their ordinary meanings and others have meanings introduced
> with a rigorous definition in the standard itself. In the previous version,
> such words are underlined. For example, a sentence such as
>
> This particular beast might be a *cat* or it might be a *dog* or
> it might be an *unclassified* beast.
>
> (I have the impression that the remailer removes underlining so I am using
> asterisks, as in *underlined_word*, instead.) The example sentence uses
> underlining to expressthat the underlined notions, "cat", "dog" and
> "unclassified", have a formal definition somewhere in the text.
>
> Quite understandably, people have started to ask that all such underlined
> elements should be links to the corresponding definitions. (Otherwise, the
> reader has to run searches all the time.)
>
> This kind of thing is needed for any normative text of that kind, which
> includes precise definitions.
>
> In FrameMaker terms, all the definitions are in paragraphs of one specific
> type (format in FrameMaker terminology), so the obvious thing to do from
> the writer's perspective would be to be able to select the target from a
> list of paragraphs of that type, as with cross-references. But
> cross-references don't work since they impose a format based on the target,
> not the source.
>
> -- BM
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:55
> To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe
> FrameMaker software. 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
>
> Can't you just write "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems
> (page xx)"?
>
> On 27-Oct-20 12:27 PM, Bertrand Meyer wrote:
> > Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets
> > being paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources:
> > I don't want them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the
> > FrameMaker sense, whose displayed text is deduced from the target
> > (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to be arbitrary text.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -- BM
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
> > To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe
> > FrameMaker software. 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
> >
> >> Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a
> >> cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use
> >> a reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking
> >> text, as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems",
> >> where the underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the
> >> underline) is my own text but a link to some chosen place.
> >>
> >> Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a
> >> gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is
> >> horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The newlink is
> >> not conceptually necessary since all the targets are paragraphs so I
> >> should be able simply to choose from a paragraph list as with
> > cross-references.
> >
> >  From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I
> > never needed to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you
> > are stymied by FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to
> > named styles, i.e. at the paragraph level, rather than to specific
> > runs of text such as a sentence. If there's a way to do this that
> > doesn't involve a double-link process, I'd be interested to hear of
> > it, even though I seldom use FrameMaker these days.
> >
> > --
> > Baker Steve, aka Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP AMBHI Tel : +44 1 736
> > 810575 Five times World Bread Awards winner:
> > 2015 Silver, 2016 Silver, 2017 Bronze*2, 2019 Silver For more about
> > Real Bread, see 
> > For more about me, see 
> > For superficial waffle, see 
> >
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> > This message is from the 

Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Bertrand Meyer]

No. Let me explain. This is the text of a language standard (the previous 
version is an ISO standard, International Standards Organization). It is 
written very rigorously. (It is the result of many years of laborious effort by 
many people.) See 
https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-367.htm. Some 
words have their ordinary meanings and others have meanings introduced with a 
rigorous definition in the standard itself. In the previous version, such words 
are underlined. For example, a sentence such as

This particular beast might be a *cat* or it might be a *dog* or it 
might be an *unclassified* beast. 

(I have the impression that the remailer removes underlining so I am using 
asterisks, as in *underlined_word*, instead.) The example sentence uses 
underlining to expressthat the underlined notions, "cat", "dog" and 
"unclassified", have a formal definition somewhere in the text.

Quite understandably, people have started to ask that all such underlined 
elements should be links to the corresponding definitions. (Otherwise, the 
reader has to run searches all the time.)

This kind of thing is needed for any normative text of that kind, which 
includes precise definitions.

In FrameMaker terms, all the definitions are in paragraphs of one specific type 
(format in FrameMaker terminology), so the obvious thing to do from the 
writer's perspective would be to be able to select the target from a list of 
paragraphs of that type, as with cross-references. But cross-references don't 
work since they impose a format based on the target, not the source.

-- BM

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:55
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

Can't you just write "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems (page 
xx)"?

On 27-Oct-20 12:27 PM, Bertrand Meyer wrote:
> Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets 
> being paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources: 
> I don't want them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the 
> FrameMaker sense, whose displayed text is deduced from the target 
> (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to be arbitrary text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- BM
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
> To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe 
> FrameMaker software. 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
>
>> Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a 
>> cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use 
>> a reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking 
>> text, as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", 
>> where the underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the 
>> underline) is my own text but a link to some chosen place.
>>
>> Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a 
>> gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is 
>> horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The newlink is 
>> not conceptually necessary since all the targets are paragraphs so I 
>> should be able simply to choose from a paragraph list as with
> cross-references.
>
>  From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I 
> never needed to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you 
> are stymied by FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to 
> named styles, i.e. at the paragraph level, rather than to specific 
> runs of text such as a sentence. If there's a way to do this that 
> doesn't involve a double-link process, I'd be interested to hear of 
> it, even though I seldom use FrameMaker these days.
>
> --
> Baker Steve, aka Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP AMBHI Tel : +44 1 736 
> 810575 Five times World Bread Awards winner:
> 2015 Silver, 2016 Silver, 2017 Bronze*2, 2019 Silver For more about 
> Real Bread, see 
> For more about me, see 
> For superficial waffle, see 
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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Can't you just write "this is explained in the discussion of cat 
problems (page xx)"?


On 27-Oct-20 12:27 PM, Bertrand Meyer wrote:

Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets being
paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources: I don't want
them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the FrameMaker sense, whose
displayed text is deduced from the target (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to
be arbitrary text.

Thanks,

-- BM

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe
FrameMaker software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs


Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a
cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use a
reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking text,
as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", where the
underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the underline) is
my own text but a link to some chosen place.

Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a
gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is
horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The newlink is
not conceptually necessary since all the targets are paragraphs so I
should be able simply to choose from a paragraph list as with

cross-references.

 From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I never
needed to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you are stymied
by FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to named styles,
i.e. at the paragraph level, rather than to specific runs of text such as a
sentence. If there's a way to do this that doesn't involve a double-link
process, I'd be interested to hear of it, even though I seldom use
FrameMaker these days.

--
Baker Steve, aka Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP AMBHI Tel : +44 1 736 810575
Five times World Bread Awards winner:
2015 Silver, 2016 Silver, 2017 Bronze*2, 2019 Silver For more about Real
Bread, see 
For more about me, see 
For superficial waffle, see 

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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Bertrand Meyer]

Actually my problem is not exactly this. I am happy with link targets being
paragraphs. (They already are.) My problem is the link sources: I don't want
them to be in a "cross-reference format" in the FrameMaker sense, whose
displayed text is deduced from the target (e.g. "section 4.5"); they have to
be arbitrary text.

Thanks,

-- BM

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:03
To: bertrand.me...@inf.ethz.ch; An email list for people using Adobe
FrameMaker software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

>Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a 
>cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use a 
>reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking text, 
>as in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", where the 
>underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the underline) is 
>my own text but a link to some chosen place.
>
>Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a 
>gotolink at the source and a newlink at the target, which is 
>horrendously tedious if one has thousands such cases. The newlink is 
>not conceptually necessary since all the targets are paragraphs so I 
>should be able simply to choose from a paragraph list as with
cross-references.

>From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I never
needed to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you are stymied
by FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to named styles,
i.e. at the paragraph level, rather than to specific runs of text such as a
sentence. If there's a way to do this that doesn't involve a double-link
process, I'd be interested to hear of it, even though I seldom use
FrameMaker these days.

--
Baker Steve, aka Steve Rickaby BSc MBCS CITP AMBHI Tel : +44 1 736 810575
Five times World Bread Awards winner:
2015 Silver, 2016 Silver, 2017 Bronze*2, 2019 Silver For more about Real
Bread, see 
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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Steve Rickaby]

>Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a
>cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use a
>reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking text, as
>in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", where the
>underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the underline) is my
>own text but a link to some chosen place.
>
>Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a gotolink
>at the source and a newlink at the target, which is horrendously tedious if
>one has thousands such cases. The newlink is not conceptually necessary
>since all the targets are paragraphs so I should be able simply to choose
>from a paragraph list as with cross-references.

>From memory I used to use the double-link method for this, but I never needed 
>to do it very often. I appreciate your problem. AFAIK you are stymied by 
>FrameMaker's internal model, which only allows xrefs to named styles, i.e. at 
>the paragraph level, rather than to specific runs of text such as a sentence. 
>If there's a way to do this that doesn't involve a double-link process, I'd be 
>interested to hear of it, even though I seldom use FrameMaker these days.

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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Reng Winfried]

Hi Bertrand,

Yes, I would also like such a spot cross-reference!
This is an old feature request. If this gets enough attention,
this might make it into the next release.
You can vote here:
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2294

Best regards

Winfried

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Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

Dear Steve and Lin,

 

Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a cross-reference 
format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use a reference format, I 
want to use an arbitrary text for the linking text, as in "this is explained in 
the discussion of cat problems", where the underlined text (I hope the mailing 
list mailer keeps the underline) is my own text but a link to some chosen place.

 

Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a gotolink at 
the source and a newlink at the target, which is horrendously tedious if one 
has thousands such cases. The newlink is not conceptually necessary since all 
the targets are paragraphs so I should be able simply to choose from a 
paragraph list as with cross-references.

 

With best regards,

 

-- Bertrand Meyer

 

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Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 14:50
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

 

>I must be missing something here, or misunderstanding what you are

>trying to do. A cross-reference is a hyperlink. If you are using a

>specific paragraph tag for your target, why not just use a cross-reference?

 

I'm glad you posted this, Lin. I was about to do the same, but then my Inner 
Voice said "Nah - you've been out of the loop too long: you're missing 
something. Keep quiet." :-)

 

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Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

[Bertrand Meyer]

Dear Steve and Lin,

 

Thanks for the comments. A cross-references forces me to use a
cross-reference format for the link, e.g. "section 4.5". I cannot use a
reference format, I want to use an arbitrary text for the linking text, as
in "this is explained in the discussion of cat problems", where the
underlined text (I hope the mailing list mailer keeps the underline) is my
own text but a link to some chosen place.

 

Hyperlinks to this but force me in each case to add two commands, a gotolink
at the source and a newlink at the target, which is horrendously tedious if
one has thousands such cases. The newlink is not conceptually necessary
since all the targets are paragraphs so I should be able simply to choose
from a paragraph list as with cross-references.

 

With best regards,

 

-- Bertrand Meyer

 

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bertrand.meyer=inf.ethz...@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 14:50
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs

 

>I must be missing something here, or misunderstanding what you are 

>trying to do. A cross-reference is a hyperlink. If you are using a 

>specific paragraph tag for your target, why not just use a cross-reference?

 

I'm glad you posted this, Lin. I was about to do the same, but then my Inner
Voice said "Nah - you've been out of the loop too long: you're missing
something. Keep quiet." :-)

 

--

Steve

 

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problem'

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