Re: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Yves Barbion
What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried?



On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
> automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
> its length varies in different books.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Yves Barbion
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Long running headers
> >
> > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column
> > table in it for
> > more design flexibility:
> >
> >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
> >headers/footers on a colored background.
> >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
> >the default cell margins.
> >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
> >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
> >text becomes longer.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > --
> > Yves Barbion
> > Documentation Architect
> > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> > Scripto
> > Belgium
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on
> > each side of
> > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can
> > independently
> > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even
> > control the
> > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
> > >
> > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
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RE: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi,

I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to
automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and
its length varies in different books.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Yves Barbion
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Long running headers
> 
> Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column 
> table in it for
> more design flexibility:
> 
>- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
>headers/footers on a colored background.
>- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
>the default cell margins.
>- You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
>- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
>text becomes longer.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> Scripto
> Belgium
> 
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on 
> each side of
> > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can 
> independently
> > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even 
> control the
> > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
> >
> > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
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Re: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Yves Barbion
Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it for
more design flexibility:

   - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your
   headers/footers on a colored background.
   - You can control the distance between both columns by playing with
   the default cell margins.
   - You can align your text vertically in the table cell.
   - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer
   text becomes longer.

Kind regards

-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
Scripto
Belgium

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
> the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
> paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
> set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
> pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
> 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.
>
> Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
> automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
>
>
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Re: Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Hedley Finger

Linda:

Steve Rickaby quoted:
>> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
>> >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
>> >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>> >
>> >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to
>> >meet this need.
>> 
Steve has given you some excellent advice.  Some others you can do 
digitally are:

@Change to a smaller body font *but* never ever try to reduce line 
spacing to fit more lines.  Ideally the apparent white space between the 
baseline of one line and the x-line of the one below should be about 
double the x-height.

@Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions 
of strokes will become ugly.

@Increase the depth of all pages.  Change to a double-column format 
as suggested by Steve.

@Reduce the size of type in tables.

@Reduce the size of all illustrations.

When I was in publishing in the days of hot metal type and later cold 
type (type on photographic paper), we had a few other strategies to fit 
pages.

@To deal with orphans (a short line at the top of the next page), 
first reduce the space above and below headings; in cold type terms, cut 
up the camera copy and move strips of paper around.  (Also works for 
widows -- the first line of a paragraph at the foot of the page.)

@If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by 
one line to pull the orphan back.  (Also works for widows to pull one 
line back so it's not lonely any more; alternatively, decrease the depth 
of the page by one line to push the widow over.)  It's considered bad 
form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf  
underdepth page, and vice versa.  And facing pages that are different 
depths are unforgivable.

@If still in a jam, reduce the size of diagrams or illustrations, 
especially photographs, which may additionally be cropped.

@In the last resort, remove some adjectives or other non-essential 
text (don't consult the author -- it's a user guide, not holy writ).

@Return to and study the illustrations carefully.  Are they comfort 
illustrations to simply reassure the reader that they have arrived at 
the right window or dialogue?  If so, cut them.

@Ask the printer if it is possible to print an 8-page section 
two-up, halving the print run.  This (2 x 8 pp = 16pp) section can be 
slit on the folder, and then bound in with the 16 pp sections.

@Finally, just accept a few blank pages at the end of the book.  Can 
you put some house adverts for products or services on these pages?

Regards,
Hedley

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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Terri Schultz

I would not try to do the signatures in Framemaker.

You can use a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat, Quite Imposing Plus 
(http://www.quite.com/) to do the imposition of a pdf before you send it to the 
printer.  I used the plug-in a lot for documents we sent to a Xerox Docutech. 

The plug in is a bit expensive, but we calculated that it paid for itself in a 
few jobs.  Manually laying out the pages for higher page counts is extremely 
difficult to do.

Hope this helps!

Terri

> From: lindag at techcomplus.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Fine tuning pagination
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:41:22 -0600
> 
> Framers,
> 
> I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
> 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
> 
> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
> basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
> paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
> 
> I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to
> meet this need.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Linda:

Shrinking to fit is usually more difficult than expanding to fit.
While it's easy to tweak away with paragraph-, character-, and
word-spacing properties to squeeze things in, it's also easy to create
magnificently-ugliness.

You can get some good advice from folks on typography forums about how
to do the first without doing the second at the same time.

If it's possible to work with the authors, editing the writing is one
useful component in fitting stuff into available space.

Regards,

Peter
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OT: Cordless headset

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hello Framers,

I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like to find 
a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able to 
answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or 
recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
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585-659-8267
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Re: OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:20 -0600 21/4/08, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at
>least for export to Word.

Ok: good to know. But the key difference in the filter pack in FrameMaker 7 for 
Mac would seem to be the improvement in quality of the native Word import.

-- 
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Re: Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
>16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
>I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
>basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
>paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>
>I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to
>meet this need.

Two subjects:

1. Making pages beautiful

2. Making a book the required length.

FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages:

. Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to 
odd/even page count or whatever

. Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer

. 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer

. Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back

. Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward

. Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column

. Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page occupancy

. Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative tracking 
to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot

The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses headers 
rather than footers.

All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and orphans, 
making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list does not lie 
last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making pages beautiful. At 
the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out the page count to get 
your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. It's not uncommon to 
find printed books with two or even four blanks at the end for this purpose. I 
have even had it suggested that chapters could start on a verso page, but I 
don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page count, you might even have 
to resort to major design changes, like setting specific sections in multiple 
columns (it's happened to me).

This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing 
after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at 
the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything 
knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do 98% 
of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost always 
forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% just 
right. Just live with it ;-)

-- 
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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Scott White
We always add note pages to the end of the pages to have them come out  
in 16- or 32-page signatures.
This is going to be a "hands-on" process I think to make things fit  
and add pages where necessary and tighten pages where necessary.
That is how we do it.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
> 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages.  
> I've done
> basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page  
> break
> paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>
> I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune  
> pagination to
> meet this need.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
How do you "tighten" pages?

I don't think adding notes pages is an option for this book, but would be an
idea for other types of books. 


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TechCom Plus, LLC
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303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: Scott White [mailto:swh...@alamark.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
To: Framers
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination

We always add note pages to the end of the pages to have them come out  
in 16- or 32-page signatures.
This is going to be a "hands-on" process I think to make things fit  
and add pages where necessary and tighten pages where necessary.
That is how we do it.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
> 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages.  
> I've done
> basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page  
> break
> paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>
> I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune  
> pagination to
> meet this need.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
> WebWorks ePublisher templates
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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
Framers,

I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.

I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.

I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to
meet this need.

Thanks in advance!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates






Re: Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Linda:

Shrinking to fit is usually more difficult than expanding to fit.
While it's easy to tweak away with paragraph-, character-, and
word-spacing properties to squeeze things in, it's also easy to create
magnificently-ugliness.

You can get some good advice from folks on typography forums about how
to do the first without doing the second at the same time.

If it's possible to work with the authors, editing the writing is one
useful component in fitting stuff into available space.

Regards,

Peter
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RE: Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
How do you "tighten" pages?

I don't think adding notes pages is an option for this book, but would be an
idea for other types of books. 


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lindag at techcomplus dot com
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-Original Message-
From: Scott White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:47 PM
To: Framers
Cc: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination

We always add note pages to the end of the pages to have them come out  
in 16- or 32-page signatures.
This is going to be a "hands-on" process I think to make things fit  
and add pages where necessary and tighten pages where necessary.
That is how we do it.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
> 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages.  
> I've done
> basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page  
> break
> paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>
> I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune  
> pagination to
> meet this need.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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Re: Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Scott White
We always add note pages to the end of the pages to have them come out  
in 16- or 32-page signatures.
This is going to be a "hands-on" process I think to make things fit  
and add pages where necessary and tighten pages where necessary.
That is how we do it.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
> 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.
>
> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages.  
> I've done
> basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page  
> break
> paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.
>
> I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune  
> pagination to
> meet this need.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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Fine tuning pagination

2008-04-21 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
Framers,

I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in
16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before.

I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done
basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break
paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning.

I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to
meet this need.

Thanks in advance!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




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OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word

2008-04-21 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Steve wrote:

>Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, for some unfathomable reason, the 
>'Japanese' RTF import filter worked better than the other one.

In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at 
least for export to Word.

Graeme Forbes


RE: Cordless headset

2008-04-21 Thread Syed.Hosain
Hello Direct (www.hellodirect.com) sells many excellent long-range
headset add-on units, and headset/phone combinations. 

A bit pricey, but we have a many here because of their excellent quality
and range.

Z

> Hello Framers,
> 
> I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like
to find
> a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able
to
> answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or
> recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
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Cordless headset

2008-04-21 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Hello Direct (www.hellodirect.com) sells many excellent long-range
headset add-on units, and headset/phone combinations. 

A bit pricey, but we have a many here because of their excellent quality
and range.

Z

> Hello Framers,
> 
> I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like
to find
> a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able
to
> answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or
> recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com


OT: Cordless headset

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hello Framers,

I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like to find 
a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able to 
answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or 
recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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Re: OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word

2008-04-21 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Steve wrote:

>Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, for some unfathomable reason, the 
>'Japanese' RTF import filter worked better than the other one.

In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at 
least for export to Word.

Graeme Forbes
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Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
 wrote:
> Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
>  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
>  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
>  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
>  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.

That's a good one for my upcoming project -- many thanks for that...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com


Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
| > I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
| > running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
| > and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
| > manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
| > last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
| > to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| >
| > Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
| >   yadda yadda yadda
| >
| > but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
| > come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
| > disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
| > chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
| > in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| >
| > Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
| >
| > --
| > Milan Davidovic
| > http://altmilan.blogspot.com
| > http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

- Lester 
---
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---



Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
> Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second
> line.

And sure enough -- in checking the text frame in question against
others, it is indeed higher. Many thanks...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com


Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second 
line.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
> running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
> the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
> manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
> last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
> wrap so that it looks something like this:
>
> Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
>   yadda yadda yadda
>
> but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
> undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
> disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
> chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
> the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
>
> Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
>
> -- 
> Milan Davidovic
> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
> http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com



Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
wrap so that it looks something like this:

Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
   yadda yadda yadda

but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.

Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com


ANN: Script for finding unresolved conrefs

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hello Framers,

I have a FrameScript script that checks a folder (and optionally, 
subfolders) of .dita files for unresolved conrefs. Details about any 
unresolved conrefs are written to a report file. The script requires 
FrameScript 4.1R2 or higher and MSXML 4.0 or higher (Microsoft's free XML 
parser). If you are interested, please contact me offlist. Thank you very 
much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



S1000D in Frame 8

2008-04-21 Thread Joel Wilhelm
What is the best way to use S1000D in Frame 8? Is the Application Pack from
Frame 7.2 still helpful? Is there something better out there from Adobe?

Joel


best method to store template version

2008-04-21 Thread Karene Millar
Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :)

I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company
and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to
store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a
reference page.

To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the
template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify
the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates.

Thanks!

Karene


Re: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
>  the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
>  paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
>  set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
>  pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.

That's a good one for my upcoming project -- many thanks for that...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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RE: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of
the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header
paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently
set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different
pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text.  You can even control the
'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately.

Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content
automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.

On Monday, April 21, 2008 12:06 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

| Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the
| second | line.
| 
| Rick Quatro
| Carmen Publishing
| 585-659-8267
| www.frameexpert.com
| 
| > I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
| > running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title
| > and the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
| > manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
| > last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1
| > to wrap so that it looks something like this:
| >
| > Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
| >   yadda yadda yadda
| >
| > but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has
| > come undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
| > disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
| > chapter title or the heading is not an option, and at this time
| > in the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
| >
| > Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
| >
| > --
| > Milan Davidovic
| > http://altmilan.blogspot.com
| > http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

- Lester 
---
Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com   
Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
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Printing 8.5x11 and 11x17 in the same book

2008-04-21 Thread Bruce Megan (Telex)
Hello All: 
Many of my books have electrical and mechanical drawings interspersed
throughout them that are 11x17. Unfortunately, I can not shrink them to
8.5x11 because the integrity of the document is compromised. I have been
having some problems figuring out how to set up FrameMaker to generate a
post script file with both 8.5x11 pages and 11x17 pages so that I do not
have to make 2 post script files. I am currently running FrameMaker 7.2
on Windows XP. 
Is there a way to generate one post script file with two different size
pages in the same book?
Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Megan Bruce
Documentation Specialist
Bosch Communication Systems, Inc
Telex Communications, Inc
12000 Portland Avenue South
Burnsville, MN 55337
megan.bruce at us.bosch.com



Re: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second
> line.

And sure enough -- in checking the text frame in question against
others, it is indeed higher. Many thanks...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Re: Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Make the master page text frame tall enough so that you can see the second 
line.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
> running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
> the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
> manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
> last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
> wrap so that it looks something like this:
>
> Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
>   yadda yadda yadda
>
> but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
> undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
> disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
> chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
> the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.
>
> Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.
>
> -- 
> Milan Davidovic
> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
> http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

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Long running headers

2008-04-21 Thread Milan Davidovic
I've inherited this Frame book. There's a master page that has two
running header variables in the header, one for the chapter title and
the other for the current heading 1. On one of the pages in the
manual, both the chapter title and the heading 1 are long. Whoever
last modified this book managed to get the text for the heading 1 to
wrap so that it looks something like this:

Blah blah blah blah blahYadda yadda yadda
   yadda yadda yadda

but I don't know where to look to see how they did this. It has come
undone so that the second line of the text on the right has
disappeared. I must restore this. Changing the text of either the
chapter title or the heading is not an option, and att this time in
the project I prefer not to get into playing with font sizes.

Your wisdom and guidance, please & thanks.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Printing 8.5x11 and 11x17 in the same book

2008-04-21 Thread Bruce Megan (Telex)
Hello All: 
Many of my books have electrical and mechanical drawings interspersed
throughout them that are 11x17. Unfortunately, I can not shrink them to
8.5x11 because the integrity of the document is compromised. I have been
having some problems figuring out how to set up FrameMaker to generate a
post script file with both 8.5x11 pages and 11x17 pages so that I do not
have to make 2 post script files. I am currently running FrameMaker 7.2
on Windows XP. 
Is there a way to generate one post script file with two different size
pages in the same book?
Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Megan Bruce
Documentation Specialist
Bosch Communication Systems, Inc
Telex Communications, Inc
12000 Portland Avenue South
Burnsville, MN 55337
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ANN: Script for finding unresolved conrefs

2008-04-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hello Framers,

I have a FrameScript script that checks a folder (and optionally, 
subfolders) of .dita files for unresolved conrefs. Details about any 
unresolved conrefs are written to a report file. The script requires 
FrameScript 4.1R2 or higher and MSXML 4.0 or higher (Microsoft's free XML 
parser). If you are interested, please contact me offlist. Thank you very 
much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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S1000D in Frame 8

2008-04-21 Thread Joel Wilhelm
What is the best way to use S1000D in Frame 8? Is the Application Pack from
Frame 7.2 still helpful? Is there something better out there from Adobe?

Joel
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