Re: FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
Hi Helen (I'll make sure to use the spell-checker this time.;-)) I have FrameMaker 6, 7.2, 8 and 9 living in peaceful coexistence with Acrobat 3D 8.1.3 on my computer (Windows XP, SP3). I can do a Save as PDF from any FrameMaker version without any problems. DITA to PDF works fine too. There have been some posts about the FrameMaker and Acrobat issue before on this list and you can take Dov Isaac's advice on this. You can find his comments below. To summarize them: - Uninstall any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. - If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8. - If you are prompted to reboot your system after any uninstalls or after installing Acrobat 8, be sure to do so. The installation process depends on your doing that reboot immediately. I don't think the installation order (FrameMaker or Acrobat first) matters anymore. These are Dov's comments: _ It is NOT FrameMaker 8 which is the problem or that has to be installed, it is that separate headless version of Distiller 8 that you let the FrameMaker 8 installer put on your system. Uninstall that and/or any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8! If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to install any version of Acrobat! In reality, it should not make any difference what order you install Acrobat and FrameMaker with one caveat. If you are installing the full Acrobat product (which you are), you must NOT install the copy of Distiller bundled with FrameMaker. If you have already installed that bundled Distiller, you must totally uninstall it (and any other versions of Acrobat and/or Reader on your system) prior to installing Acrobat 8. If you are prompted to reboot your system after any uninstalls or after installing Acrobat 8, be sure to do so. The installation process depends on your doing that reboot immediately. Although this has not been a problem in recent versions of Acrobat, per the suggestion of another poster, you should make sure that the FILE: port is not missing from your system. To further complicate things, Acrobat 8 changed the location where .joboptions files are stored. Acrobat 7 stored the .joboptions files at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Adobe PDF\Settings. That is where FrameMaker looks for them. Acrobat 8 (actually Distiller 8) stores the bundled .joboptions files in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\Adobe PDF\Settings and each user's personalized .joboption files in C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Adobe\Adobe PDF\Settings where is your Windows user id. For FrameMaker 7.2 to work directly with Distiller 8 with the save as feature, you must make sure that FrameMaker 7.2 sees all your joboptions in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Adobe PDF\Settings. _ Good luck. -- Yves Barbion • Managing Director • Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
In addition to Yves' and Dov's accurate comments and advice, what struck me about your post is that you might have run the same machine without a rebuild for a long period of time. I always think that's a good idea to rebuild a system every two or three years because they simply get clogged with drek left over from installs and uninstalls, new software, updates, and changes from routine operation. If it's been a long time since you did a rebuild, you should consider doing it now because you're already in the midst of a major overhaul. It'll pay dividends by giving you a clean, faster system. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: At 07:10 PM 28/05/2009, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi Helen (I'll make sure to use the spell-checker this time.;-)) The spell-checker spelled flawlessly. :-D Thanks for that response - it is *exactly* what I wanted to know. cheers, Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics
I don't know of an automated way, but if you use a caption, anchor, or figure title tag with each graphic, you should be able to generate a list of those type of tabs. Then generate a list of imported graphics and compare the page entries. Because these types of lists can include automatically generated tab stops, it's relatively easy to convert these types of lists into either a FM table format or a spreadsheet and then merge them together so entries should correspond across a row. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA verner.ander...@radiometer.dk wrote: Hi Normally I insert all graphics into a documemt by reference. Before I send the manual for translation I would like to verify that I have not copied any graphics into the file. Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? Best regards, Verner Andersen Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
Yes, they can coexist nicely. Install FM8 first. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi List, Can FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8 coexist on the same machine? If so, which should be installed first to ensure that one gets the full functionality of Distiller from both applications? Before I started with the 8 versions I had the respective 6 versions working happily side by side. So far, with both 6 versions out of the picture I've encountered two weeks of horrible problems, including that the uninstaller script for Acro 8 gets broken by the updates (specifically, the Acro updates, as far as I can tell, with the bone pointing at 8.1.5). This requires hours of pick-and-shovel effort in the Registry and the filesystem to clean out everything Adobe and start afresh. Currently I have achieved partial functionality by installing FM 8 first (which is the only option to get Distiller installed) and then installing only Reader 8 afterwards. I can get the updates to both without (touch wood!) breaking stuff. However, I'm at a loss without the full Acro Pro capabilities, at least until our legacy doc sources are converted to DITA, because I still depend on the Sonar Bookends plug-in for post-processing hot-links into the indexes of PDFs created with other tools. Any compatibility advice out there, gained from actual experience? Or should I just sigh and accept that I'll need to keep a legacy FM6 + Acro Pro 6 setup on another box? Thanks, and apologies in advance for this being a bit OT. Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as techcommd...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Hi all I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. Best regards, Verner Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics
Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? Systec has some plugin modules that replace copied graphics with referenced ones. Perhaps one of them would be worth purchasing? https://www.systec-gmbh.com/os/index.php?cat=c176_TOOLBOX.html Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RE: Arrows chase text out of text frames
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RE: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Andersen, Verner wrote: I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. Excellent! Instead of finding the copied graphics, you unfound all the rest -- a very simple, elegant, outside the box solution. Thanks for sharing that! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Short Links in TOC
Hello. When I generate the TOC (or any other generated list), the link stops where there is a change in character formatting (for example, where I've used an italic character tag on a word in a heading). This carries over to the PDFs I generate. Has there been any fix or workaround to get the TOC links to span the entire line, either in Frame or Acrobat? Is this still an issue in the newest version of FrameMaker? I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 Acrobat 9.1 on WinXP Pro SP2. Thanks! * Eric Isaacson Product Literature Manager Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Short Links in TOC
Hi Eric, This is actually by design (see the FrameMaker documentation), even though it is not what you want in your generated files. I usually use FrameScript to duplicate the Hypertext markers wherever there is a property change in the paragraph. Each marker makes a separate rectangle link area, but since they are all bumped together, it has the desired result in the PDF file. If you are interested in a script like this, please contact me off list and I will give you a quote. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hello. When I generate the TOC (or any other generated list), the link stops where there is a change in character formatting (for example, where I've used an italic character tag on a word in a heading). This carries over to the PDFs I generate. Has there been any fix or workaround to get the TOC links to span the entire line, either in Frame or Acrobat? Is this still an issue in the newest version of FrameMaker? I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 Acrobat 9.1 on WinXP Pro SP2. Thanks! * Eric Isaacson Product Literature Manager Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories, Inc. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
On Thu, 28 May 2009 15:14:26 +0200, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA verner.ander...@radiometer.dk wrote: I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. That doesn't matter to Mif2Go; it will export them anyway. Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. An interesting workaround. Make sure you look at the reference and master pages too, if you really want to find all embedded graphics; some may not show on the body pages. And of course it can take a while to page through a large book... and my eyes, at least, have been known to miss things right in front of them. Mif2Go's export code doesn't. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Hi, Frame 8.0p277 WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 Vista Business SP1 I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to-7 book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project. Does anyone have any experience with this? Any wisdom to offer (other than try things like this much earlier in the process)? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
MIF2Go would be the standard solution, I think, both because it works well and quickly, but also because WW Standard doesn't let you modify templates... so you're limited to out-of-the box solutions. www.omsys.com -- there's a free eval version. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com wrote: Hi, Frame 8.0p277 WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 Vista Business SP1 I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to-7 book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project. Does anyone have any experience with this? Any wisdom to offer (other than try things like this much earlier in the process)? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Lea Rush wrote: Frame 8.0p277 WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 Vista Business SP1 I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to- 7 book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project. WebWorks doesn't open the FM files itself, it uses FM to open them in the background (and in fact, works much faster and more smoothly if you open all the files in FM beforehand). So you can't just save back to the FM 7 file format. But what you can do is have both FM 8 and 7 installed on your system. Author in FM 8. Then when you're ready to do the help, save (copies of) the files in FM 7 format, open them in FM 7, and then fire up WebWorks. Since you already have FM 8 installed and not 7, there may be a little fussing required to make everything play nice together. Different versions of FM co-exist just fine, but the last one installed will get the file associations. You may need to remove WW, install FM 7, and re-install WW to make sure it works with FM 7 (the FM 7 maker.ini file needs to invoke the WW plugin). As Art pointed out, though, WW Standard is pretty crippled, and this should be considered a short-term solution only. Long-term, consider moving to Mif2Go, a current, full version of WW, or the Adobe Tech Comm Suite, depending on your budget, needs, and preferred way of working. HTH! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Thank you to everyone who answered. Richard, this works like a charm and gets me to where I need to be in short order. I'll evaluate Mif2Go in the semi-near future when I don't have a software release breathing down my neck. :) As others have said, this list rocks! Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:14 PM To: Lea Rush; Framers Subject: RE: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro Lea Rush wrote: Frame 8.0p277 WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 Vista Business SP1 I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to- 7 book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project. WebWorks doesn't open the FM files itself, it uses FM to open them in the background (and in fact, works much faster and more smoothly if you open all the files in FM beforehand). So you can't just save back to the FM 7 file format. But what you can do is have both FM 8 and 7 installed on your system. Author in FM 8. Then when you're ready to do the help, save (copies of) the files in FM 7 format, open them in FM 7, and then fire up WebWorks. Since you already have FM 8 installed and not 7, there may be a little fussing required to make everything play nice together. Different versions of FM co-exist just fine, but the last one installed will get the file associations. You may need to remove WW, install FM 7, and re-install WW to make sure it works with FM 7 (the FM 7 maker.ini file needs to invoke the WW plugin). As Art pointed out, though, WW Standard is pretty crippled, and this should be considered a short-term solution only. Long-term, consider moving to Mif2Go, a current, full version of WW, or the Adobe Tech Comm Suite, depending on your budget, needs, and preferred way of working. HTH! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria-pacific.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, files in other formats, etc. Very handy trick. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
Hi List, Can FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8 coexist on the same machine? If so, which should be installed first to ensure that one gets the full functionality of Distiller from both applications? Before I started with the "8" versions I had the respective "6" versions working happily side by side. So far, with both "6" versions out of the picture I've encountered two weeks of horrible problems, including that the uninstaller script for Acro 8 gets broken by the updates (specifically, the Acro updates, as far as I can tell, with the bone pointing at 8.1.5). This requires hours of pick-and-shovel effort in the Registry and the filesystem to clean out everything Adobe and start afresh. Currently I have achieved "partial" functionality by installing FM 8 first (which is the only option to get Distiller installed) and then installing only Reader 8 afterwards. I can get the updates to both without (touch wood!) breaking stuff. However, I'm at a loss without the full Acro Pro capabilities, at least until our legacy doc sources are converted to DITA, because I still depend on the Sonar Bookends plug-in for post-processing hot-links into the indexes of PDFs created with other tools. Any compatibility advice out there, gained from actual experience? Or should I just sigh and accept that I'll need to keep a legacy FM6 + Acro Pro 6 setup on another box? Thanks, and apologies in advance for this being a bit OT. Helen
FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
Hi Helen (I'll make sure to use the spell-checker this time.;-)) I have FrameMaker 6, 7.2, 8 and 9 living in peaceful coexistence with Acrobat 3D 8.1.3 on my computer (Windows XP, SP3). I can do a "Save as PDF" from any FrameMaker version without any problems. DITA to PDF works fine too. There have been some posts about the FrameMaker and Acrobat issue before on this list and you can take Dov Isaac's advice on this. You can find his comments below. To summarize them: - Uninstall any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. - If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8. - If you are prompted to reboot your system after any uninstalls or after installing Acrobat 8, be sure to do so. The installation process depends on your doing that reboot immediately. I don't think the installation order (FrameMaker or Acrobat first) matters anymore. These are Dov's comments: _ It is NOT FrameMaker 8 which is the problem or that has to be installed, it is that separate headless version of Distiller 8 that you let the FrameMaker 8 installer put on your system. Uninstall that and/or any other previous versions of Acrobat or Reader on your system, make sure to reboot, and then install Acrobat 8 Pro. If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8! If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to install any version of Acrobat! In reality, it should not make any difference what order you install Acrobat and FrameMaker with one caveat. If you are installing the full Acrobat product (which you are), you must NOT install the copy of Distiller bundled with FrameMaker. If you have already installed that bundled Distiller, you must totally uninstall it (and any other versions of Acrobat and/or Reader on your system) prior to installing Acrobat 8. If you are prompted to reboot your system after any uninstalls or after installing Acrobat 8, be sure to do so. The installation process depends on your doing that reboot immediately. Although this has not been a problem in recent versions of Acrobat, per the suggestion of another poster, you should make sure that the FILE: port is not missing from your system. To further complicate things, Acrobat 8 changed the location where .joboptions files are stored. Acrobat 7 stored the .joboptions files at "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Adobe PDF\Settings". That is where FrameMaker looks for them. Acrobat 8 (actually Distiller 8) stores the bundled .joboptions files in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\Adobe PDF\Settings" and each user's personalized .joboption files in "C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Adobe\Adobe PDF\Settings" where "" is your Windows user id. For FrameMaker 7.2 to work directly with Distiller 8 with the "save as" feature, you must make sure that FrameMaker 7.2 "sees" all your joboptions in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Adobe PDF\Settings". _ Good luck. -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89
FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
At 07:10 PM 28/05/2009, Yves Barbion wrote: >Hi Helen > >(I'll make sure to use the spell-checker this time.;-)) The spell-checker spelled flawlessly. :-D Thanks for that response - it is *exactly* what I wanted to know. cheers, Helen
finding copied graphics
Hi Normally I insert all graphics into a documemt by reference. Before I send the manual for translation I would like to verify that I have not copied any graphics into the file. Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? Best regards, Verner Andersen Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email.
FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
In addition to Yves' and Dov's accurate comments and advice, what struck me about your post is that you might have run the same machine without a rebuild for a long period of time. I always think that's a good idea to rebuild a system every two or three years because they simply get clogged with drek left over from installs and uninstalls, new software, updates, and changes from routine operation. If it's been a long time since you did a rebuild, you should consider doing it now because you're already in the midst of a major overhaul. It'll pay dividends by giving you a clean, faster system. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Helen Borrie wrote: > At 07:10 PM 28/05/2009, Yves Barbion wrote: >>Hi Helen >> >>(I'll make sure to use the spell-checker this time.;-)) > > The spell-checker spelled flawlessly. :-D > > Thanks for that response - it is *exactly* what I wanted to know. > > cheers, > Helen > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
finding copied graphics
I don't know of an automated way, but if you use a caption, anchor, or figure title tag with each graphic, you should be able to generate a list of those type of tabs. Then generate a list of imported graphics and compare the page entries. Because these types of lists can include automatically generated tab stops, it's relatively easy to convert these types of lists into either a FM table format or a spreadsheet and then merge them together so entries should correspond across a row. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA wrote: > Hi > Normally I insert all graphics into a documemt by reference. Before I > send the manual for translation I would like to verify that I have not > copied any graphics into the file. > > Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? > > Best regards, > > Verner Andersen > > > > > Radiometer Medical ApS > Akandevej 21 > 2700 Bronshoj > Denmark > Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 > CVR: 27 50 91 85 > > > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > ?If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. ?If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. ?Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. > > In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of > this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, > any > contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the > foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any > digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is > included in any attachment to this email. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
finding copied graphics
Hi Verner Finding copied graphics in a FrameMaker file seems like an ideal job for a Framescript. Rick Quatro has recently developed a Framescript which can find graphics copied into document and (re)import them by reference. Another option is to search in the MIF files. You could do this as follows: 1. Save your FM file(s) as MIF. 2. Open the MIF in a plain text editor. 3. Search for , meaning that this is a graphic "copied into document". If you have to do this for multiple files (e.g. complete FM books), I can recommend MIF2Go to save all files in your book as MIF and EditPadPro or Notepad++ to edit multiple text files simultaneously. Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89
FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8
Yes, they can coexist nicely. Install FM8 first. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Helen Borrie wrote: > Hi List, > > Can FM 8 and Acrobat Pro 8 coexist on the same machine? ?If so, which should > be installed first to ensure that one gets the full functionality of > Distiller from both applications? > > Before I started with the "8" versions I had the respective "6" versions > working happily side by side. ?So far, with both "6" versions out of the > picture I've encountered two weeks of horrible problems, including that the > uninstaller script for Acro 8 gets broken by the updates (specifically, the > Acro updates, as far as I can tell, with the bone pointing at 8.1.5). ?This > requires hours of pick-and-shovel effort in the Registry and the filesystem > to clean out everything Adobe and start afresh. > > Currently I have achieved "partial" functionality by installing FM 8 first > (which is the only option to get Distiller installed) and then installing > only Reader 8 afterwards. ?I can get the updates to both without (touch > wood!) breaking stuff. ?However, I'm at a loss without the full Acro Pro > capabilities, at least until our legacy doc sources are converted to DITA, > because I still depend on the Sonar Bookends plug-in for post-processing > hot-links into the indexes of PDFs created with other tools. > > Any compatibility advice out there, gained from actual experience? > > Or should I just sigh and accept that I'll need to keep a legacy FM6 + Acro > Pro 6 setup on another box? > > Thanks, and apologies in advance for this being a bit OT. > > Helen > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as techcommdood at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Hi all I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. Best regards, Verner Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email.
finding copied graphics
> Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? Systec has some plugin modules that replace copied graphics with referenced ones. Perhaps one of them would be worth purchasing? https://www.systec-gmbh.com/os/index.php?cat=c176_TOOLBOX.html Mike Wickham
Arrows chase text out of text frames
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Andersen, Verner wrote: > I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was > difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. > > Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I > simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the > graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. Excellent! Instead of finding the copied graphics, you "unfound" all the rest -- a very simple, elegant, "outside the box" solution. Thanks for sharing that! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Short Links in TOC
Hello. When I generate the TOC (or any other generated list), the link stops where there is a change in character formatting (for example, where I've used an italic character tag on a word in a heading). This carries over to the PDFs I generate. Has there been any fix or workaround to get the TOC links to span the entire line, either in Frame or Acrobat? Is this still an issue in the newest version of FrameMaker? I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 & Acrobat 9.1 on WinXP Pro SP2. Thanks! * Eric Isaacson Product Literature Manager Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories, Inc.
Short Links in TOC
Hi Eric, This is actually by design (see the FrameMaker documentation), even though it is not what you want in your generated files. I usually use FrameScript to duplicate the Hypertext markers wherever there is a property change in the paragraph. Each marker makes a separate rectangle link area, but since they are all bumped together, it has the desired result in the PDF file. If you are interested in a script like this, please contact me off list and I will give you a quote. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. rick at frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hello. When I generate the TOC (or any other generated list), the link stops where there is a change in character formatting (for example, where I've used an italic character tag on a word in a heading). This carries over to the PDFs I generate. Has there been any fix or workaround to get the TOC links to span the entire line, either in Frame or Acrobat? Is this still an issue in the newest version of FrameMaker? I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 & Acrobat 9.1 on WinXP Pro SP2. Thanks! * Eric Isaacson Product Literature Manager Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories, Inc. ___
finding copied graphics
On Thu, 28 May 2009 13:26:10 +0200, "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" wrote: >Normally I insert all graphics into a documemt by reference. Before I >send the manual for translation I would like to verify that I have not >copied any graphics into the file. > >Do you have a way to find copied graphics in a framemaker file? The fastest way is to use the demo version of Mif2Go, and tell it to export all embedded graphics in the book, per User's Guide par. 2.5.3, "Replacing embedded graphics with referenced graphics", just the first three steps. If you don't get any graphics exported, then there were no embedded graphics. If you do, you have the added benefit of having a lossless copy of the original graphic that you can easily re-import by reference without any rescaling (the last three steps). The whole process is very fast, under a minute for a large book. And you do *not* need to purchase Mif2Go, use the demo version: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
On Thu, 28 May 2009 15:14:26 +0200, "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" wrote: >I searched the .mif file and found some copied graphics. However, it was >difficult to loacate them. They all seemed to be in a text inset. That doesn't matter to Mif2Go; it will export them anyway. >Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I >simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the >graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. An interesting workaround. Make sure you look at the reference and master pages too, if you really want to find all embedded graphics; some may not show on the body pages. And of course it can take a while to page through a large book... and my eyes, at least, have been known to miss things right in front of them. Mif2Go's export code doesn't. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
OT: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Hi, Frame 8.0p277 WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 Vista Business SP1 I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to-7 book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: "The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project." Does anyone have any experience with this? Any wisdom to offer (other than try things like this much earlier in the process)? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367
OT: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
MIF2Go would be the standard solution, I think, both because it works well and quickly, but also because WW Standard doesn't let you modify templates... so you're limited to out-of-the box solutions. www.omsys.com -- there's a free eval version. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > Hi, > > > > Frame 8.0p277 > > WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 > > Vista Business SP1 > > > > I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I > thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing > it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I > find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to-7 > book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: > > > > "The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project." > > > > Does anyone have any experience with this? Any wisdom to offer (other than > try things like this much earlier in the process)? > > > > Thanks much in advance, > > Lea > > > > > > > > > _ > > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 > PH: 800-657-3010 > FAX: ?503-655-7367 > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Lea Rush wrote: > Frame 8.0p277 > > WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 > > Vista Business SP1 > > > > I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I > thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing > it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I > find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to- > 7 > book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: > > > > "The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project." WebWorks doesn't open the FM files itself, it uses FM to open them in the background (and in fact, works much faster and more smoothly if you open all the files in FM beforehand). So you can't just save back to the FM 7 file format. But what you can do is have both FM 8 and 7 installed on your system. Author in FM 8. Then when you're ready to do the help, save (copies of) the files in FM 7 format, open them in FM 7, and then fire up WebWorks. Since you already have FM 8 installed and not 7, there may be a little fussing required to make everything play nice together. Different versions of FM co-exist just fine, but the last one installed will get the file associations. You may need to remove WW, install FM 7, and re-install WW to make sure it works with FM 7 (the FM 7 maker.ini file needs to invoke the WW plugin). As Art pointed out, though, WW Standard is pretty crippled, and this should be considered a short-term solution only. Long-term, consider moving to Mif2Go, a current, full version of WW, or the Adobe Tech Comm Suite, depending on your budget, needs, and preferred way of working. HTH! Richard
Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro
Thank you to everyone who answered. Richard, this works like a charm and gets me to where I need to be in short order. I'll evaluate Mif2Go in the semi-near future when I don't have a software release breathing down my neck. :) As others have said, this list rocks! Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX:? 503-655-7367 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:14 PM To: Lea Rush; Framers Subject: RE: Frame 8, Save As to 7 and WebWorks Pro Lea Rush wrote: > Frame 8.0p277 > > WebWorks Standard 7.0.1 > > Vista Business SP1 > > > > I knew when I bought Frame 8 that it didn't play well with Webworks. I > thought I'd be able to Save As to a Frame 7 book and files before importing > it into WW. Now, when I need to generate a *.chm in the next week or so, I > find that it doesn't work that way. I can point the project to my saved-to- > 7 > book, but when it starts to incorporate the book, I get an error: > > > > "The wizard was unable to scan documents in your project." WebWorks doesn't open the FM files itself, it uses FM to open them in the background (and in fact, works much faster and more smoothly if you open all the files in FM beforehand). So you can't just save back to the FM 7 file format. But what you can do is have both FM 8 and 7 installed on your system. Author in FM 8. Then when you're ready to do the help, save (copies of) the files in FM 7 format, open them in FM 7, and then fire up WebWorks. Since you already have FM 8 installed and not 7, there may be a little fussing required to make everything play nice together. Different versions of FM co-exist just fine, but the last one installed will get the file associations. You may need to remove WW, install FM 7, and re-install WW to make sure it works with FM 7 (the FM 7 maker.ini file needs to invoke the WW plugin). As Art pointed out, though, WW Standard is pretty crippled, and this should be considered a short-term solution only. Long-term, consider moving to Mif2Go, a current, full version of WW, or the Adobe Tech Comm Suite, depending on your budget, needs, and preferred way of working. HTH! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria-pacific.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
> >> Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked >> graphics. I >> simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only >> the >> graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. > At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, files in other formats, etc. Very handy trick. Jenny
