vsd flow charts

[Zeller, Barbara]

What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
appreciate any tips.
 
Thanks!
Barbara Zeller
 
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Re: FM on a Mac

[Kevin Farwell]

Hello,

The particulars are different, but I did this with VirtualPC many 
years ago. I had two images, one sort of a testing machine, that 
shared a common drive for my applications. It was not all that bad to 
set up, and saved me a lot of very valuable drive space on my little 
G4 PowerBook.

Kevin

Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..

When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?

It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
has tried this.  :)

Thanks!

...scott

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RE: vsd flow charts

[Fred Ridder]

Barbara Zeller asked:

 What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
 I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
 appreciate any tips.


Save As .wmf (or .emf) from Visio, then FileImportFile into FrameMaker.

Or else Print to PDF from Visio, and FileImportFile into FrameMaker.

Inserting the Visio figures as OLE objects works well for some users, but can 
cause issues downstream.

The one thing you shoud definitely avoid is saving the Visio figures in any 
sort of raster image format (TIFF, BMP, PNG, GIF, or especially JPEG, which is 
lossy as well as rasterized).

-Fred Ridder
  
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RE: vsd flow charts

[Flato, Gillian]

I made mine into PNG files and imported them as images. Visio as a Save
as or export feature that lets you convert the vsd file into a graphic
image.

Thank you,
 
 
Gillian Flato
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What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
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Thanks!
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RE: vsd flow charts

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi Barbara:

I'm turning the Visio files into PDFs and importing them by reference
into FrameMaker 7.2 files. I can see them clearly in FrameMaker and they
display well when I print the FrameMaker book as a PDF or as HTML
(converted using Mif2Go).

Since my Distiller is automatically set to use password protection, the
Visio files turn into protected PDFs. I have to remember to remove the
security; otherwise, when I try to turn the book into a PDF file, it
fails on the figure.

BTW, I'm using Acrobat 6.0 Professional.

Fei Min Lorente 

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Subject: vsd flow charts

What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
FrameMaker?
I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
appreciate any tips.
 
Thanks!
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RE: vsd flow charts

[Krishna Mukherjee]

I save .vsd to .svg and import into Frame by reference. Works fine for my docs.

 

 

Krishna
 
 Subject: RE: vsd flow charts
 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:47:22 -0700
 From: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
 To: bzel...@tcfbank.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hi Barbara:
 
 I'm turning the Visio files into PDFs and importing them by reference
 into FrameMaker 7.2 files. I can see them clearly in FrameMaker and they
 display well when I print the FrameMaker book as a PDF or as HTML
 (converted using Mif2Go).
 
 Since my Distiller is automatically set to use password protection, the
 Visio files turn into protected PDFs. I have to remember to remove the
 security; otherwise, when I try to turn the book into a PDF file, it
 fails on the figure.
 
 BTW, I'm using Acrobat 6.0 Professional.
 
 Fei Min Lorente 
 
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 Subject: vsd flow charts
 
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 I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
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Re: vsd flow charts

[Art Campbell]

I'd second Fred's recommendation for converting Visio files to PDFs for
print, but for HTML final output, I usually just go directly to PNGs, as
Gillian does.

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 Barbara Zeller asked:

  What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
 FrameMaker?
  I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
  appreciate any tips.


 Save As .wmf (or .emf) from Visio, then FileImportFile into FrameMaker.

 Or else Print to PDF from Visio, and FileImportFile into FrameMaker.

 Inserting the Visio figures as OLE objects works well for some users, but
 can cause issues downstream.

 The one thing you shoud definitely avoid is saving the Visio figures in any
 sort of raster image format (TIFF, BMP, PNG, GIF, or especially JPEG, which
 is lossy as well as rasterized).

 -Fred Ridder

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RE: vsd flow charts

[Combs, Richard]

Zeller, Barbara asked: 
 
 What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
 FrameMaker?
 I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2.
Would
 appreciate any tips.

If the results are fuzzy, I'm guessing you're exporting to JPEG,
probably the worst choice (it's for photos, not drawings). But any
raster (bitmap) image format is a bad idea. And Visio's export filters
(including those suitable for vector graphics -- EPS and WMF/EMF) have a
poor reputation. 

IMHO, PDF is by far the best option. If you have a recent full version
of Acrobat, and it was installed after Office/Visio, it should have
installed the PDFMaker plug-in, adding PDF buttons and menu to your
Office apps, including Visio. That makes it dead simple; once you set
PDF options once, it will take just a button click to create a new PDF
when you change the drawing. 

If that's not your situation, but you have Distiller, you can print your
Visio drawings to the Adobe PDF printer. 

In either case, if your Visio files contain multiple drawings, the PDF
will contain multiple pages. In FM, when you select a multi-page PDF to
import, a dialog appears in which you choose the page you want (there's
a preview if you've forgotten the page number). 

Helpful hint: When you create Visio drawings for import into FM, figure
out what size you want them to be on the FM page, and make the drawing
page that size (e.g., if you want them to span a 6 text column, then in
Visio, use a custom page 6 wide). It will simplify your life if your
drawings don't need to be scaled on import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
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Re: vsd flow charts

[William Abernathy]

WMF or EMF work fine. You can hard-import these, import by reference, or embed 
them as OLE objects. If you are confident nobody is going to muck about with 
your source, importation by reference is easiest, because you can update more 
or 
less on the fly from Visio. You just need to remember to save the chart as 
(wmf/emf) when you're done with your session. be careful not to leave any 
object 
in the image selected, or you'll end up saving just that object, which can make 
for some embarrassment, to be sure.

If you are concerned about poor source discipline, the best method may be to 
build your flowcharts directly in Frame, using its graphical features. It all 
depends on your work environment. There used to be a way to backdoor save and 
import from vsd into Frame, but MSFT plugged that hole, so you'd likely be 
stuck 
with redrawing if you opt to go this route.

I've found OLE implementation to be pretty spotty, but my experience is getting 
a little elderly, and perhaps they've fixed things in recent revs.

--William Abernathy

Zeller, Barbara wrote:
 What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
 I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
 appreciate any tips.
  
 Thanks!
 Barbara Zeller
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RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Dov Isaacs]

There is a very big difference between works under Windows 7 versus
is supported on Windows 7. The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov

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 Subject: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7
 
 Hello.
 
 What versions of FM are supported on Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit)? We are 
 specifically wondering about
 FM 7.2.
 
 Thank you!
 
 
 
 Amy Severson
 Technical Communications Analyst
 Computers Unlimited
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Re: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Susan Modlin]

OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the difference 
between works under and is supported on? And the follow on question is 
does it matter as long as it works?

...Susan




From: Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:22:12 AM
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

There is a very big difference between works under Windows 7 versus
is supported on Windows 7. The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov


  
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RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Combs, Richard]

Susan Modlin wrote:
 
 OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the
 difference between works under and is supported on? And the follow
on
 question is does it matter as long as it works?

It doesn't matter as long as it works. But if it stops working, it
matters a lot. If you have a problem with FM 7.2, and you're running it
on Windows 7, and you call Adobe tech support for help, you'll be
politely told to upgrade to FM 9 and stop bothering them. :-)


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Re: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Art Campbell]

Semantics aside, 7.2 will run on W7 -- I ran it for several months using the
Beta and RC, but don't have a need for it on my production machines and so
I'm not running it currently. Depending on your setup, you may need to run
it in XP compatibility mode, but

Art

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 Hello.

 What versions of FM are supported on Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit)? We are
 specifically wondering about FM 7.2.

 Thank you!



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RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Dov Isaacs]

Supported means that Adobe Technical Support can assist you with any questions 
or problems and that Adobe officially claims that it works.

Works under means that users have tried it and there appears to be no 
incompatibilities. However, Adobe Tech Support will not assist you if you 
encounter any problems or want a question answered.

- Dov

From: Susan Modlin [mailto:smod...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:14 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the difference 
between works under and is supported on? And the follow on question is 
does it matter as long as it works?

...Susan


From: Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:22:12 AM
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

There is a very big difference between works under Windows 7 versus
is supported on Windows 7. The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov

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RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Rick Quatro]

With all due respect, I would only depend on Adobe Technical Support as a
last resort, particularly with FrameMaker. You are not going to get a whole
lot of help with an older version anyway. This list is the place to get
FrameMaker help.

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To: Susan Modlin; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

Supported means that Adobe Technical Support can assist you with any
questions or problems and that Adobe officially claims that it works.

Works under means that users have tried it and there appears to be no
incompatibilities. However, Adobe Tech Support will not assist you if you
encounter any problems or want a question answered.

- Dov



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Re: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 With all due respect, I would only depend on Adobe Technical Support as a
 last resort, particularly with FrameMaker.

With all due respect, Rick, this is only true until Dov signs on as an
Adobe tech support agentG.

 You are not going to get a whole
 lot of help with an older version anyway. This list is the place to get
 FrameMaker help.

Adobe's FrameMaker forums, as well as the framers list at omsys.com,
are also good sources.

HTH

Regards,

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Re: FM on a Mac

[Alan T Litchfield]

On 8/01/2010, at 11:08 AM, Peter Gold wrote:

 The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
 possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
 problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
 popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
 authorization.



Good point Peter. Is authorisation against each CPU address, mac  
address, or the software system? Only the license agreement can answer  
that question and they vary considerably across software publishers  
and their products.

I would have thought that the authorisation was handled by the Adobe  
authorisation application (you know, that's the buggy one that so  
often fails and requires people to install components, reinstall  
applications, or even their whole system) rather than Windows itself.  
Once it had been installed on first-install and authorised then any  
subsequent reinstallations ought to be regarded as reinstalls rather  
than as duplicate installations. To be safe (license-wise) perhaps the  
tests can be run in series and not in parallel?

Alan

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Re: FM on a Mac

[Alan T Litchfield]

On 9/01/2010, at 10:35 AM, Peter Gold wrote:

 Hi, Alan:

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz 
  wrote:

 On 8/01/2010, at 11:08 AM, Peter Gold wrote:

 The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
 possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
 problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
 popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
 authorization.



 Good point Peter. Is authorisation against each CPU address, mac  
 address, or
 the software system? Only the license agreement can answer that  
 question and
 they vary considerably across software publishers and their products.

 I would have thought that the authorisation was handled by the Adobe
 authorisation application (you know, that's the buggy one that so  
 often
 fails and requires people to install components, reinstall  
 applications, or
 even their whole system) rather than Windows itself. Once it had been
 installed on first-install and authorised then any subsequent
 reinstallations ought to be regarded as reinstalls rather than as  
 duplicate
 installations. To be safe (license-wise) perhaps the tests can be  
 run in
 series and not in parallel?

 It's pretty clear that the kiwi culture is shaping your thoughts.
 Test in series or parallel? is the kind of question that, to my
 mind, falls into (or parallels) the question is it more efficient to
 herd these sheep to the shearing pen in single file or 32-abreast?G


LOL, probably ;)

 I agree that the popular idea in most places it's mentioned in public,
 is that Adobe product authorization is keyed to the ID information of
 what appears to be the physical drive it's installed on.

Right. So the emulated OS would identify itself according to the  
partition label assigned to it?

 I haven't
 tried to out-fox it (watch those sheep if you doG).

Ahh but we were not plagued with them, unlike our Ozzie cousins.  
Instead we got lawyers :}


 I'd suggest searching Google for all terms that relate to activating
 Adobe applications. I don't expect that FrameMaker activation
 mechanism is different from InDesign's; IOW, some or all of my
 InDesign experience may apply to FrameMaker activations.




Yes, and I think relates back to the OP issue.

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PPT import into FM

[Corinne Kenney]

I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point into FM9. 
The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training manual. We want to 
put everything into FM. What's the least painful approach to bringing this 
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Re: PPT import into FM

[Art Campbell]

Do you need to keep it editable, or just publish it once and go on with
life?
And, if editable, work on in PPT, or Frame, or both and keep it in sync?

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Re: PPT import into FM

[Linda Rose]

One trick to extract embedded graphics that works in Word is to Save As 
HTML. In Word, it creates a folder of images. I haven't tried it in PPT 
but I bet it would work the same way. Doesn't help you much with the text 
though.

Good luck,

Linda





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RE: PPT import into FM

[Pinkham, Jim]

My condolences, Corinne. I'll be interested to hear what others have to
say. I'm about to call it a day and won't be responding over the
weekend, at least, but here's an initial hunch as to how I might go at
it.

1. Confirm that the original content doesn't exist anywhere else first.
If PowerPoint was a destination and not an origin, you might well be in
a better starting position to begin with the original document(s).
2. If PowerPoint is the only source material, my preferred approach
would be to deal with the graphics and text separately.
A. For the text, (I'm using PowerPoint 2003), choose Send to --
Microsoft Office Word. On the next menu, choose Outline Only
1. If you have a very clean Word template that contains
only your FM styles, you might be able to copy and paste the text
(non-formatted) from the step above into your Word-to-FM template, apply
the styles in Word, and then bring the text into FM.
2. Otherwise, I'd select all the text in your new Word
doc (after cleaning up extra spaces, paying heed to special characters,
etc.) and copy and paste your new Word doc content as plain text into,
say, a Notepad file and save that file as plain text, and then import
the plain text into a clean document created from your FM template.
3. Once the text is in FM, begin applying (or
correcting, as necessary) styles and formatting to conform to your
template.
B. For the graphics:
1. If not embedded, set up anchored frames in FM and
begin importing the images by reference from their locations on your
computer or network.
2. If embedded, there is a PPT macro out there that will
extract images from a presentation. Save the images that result onto
your hard drive or whatever and then refer to Step 1 above. 
I can't post an attachment to the list and you
might find the macro online over the weekend. The one in my My Documents
folder is titled, ContainsPictureExtractMacro.ppt. If you get stuck
and need it, contact me off-list, and I'll try to help you next week.
Otherwise, others may be able to propose a better approach -- or perhaps
something similar to Extracting Images Embedded in Word Documents, an
online resource by Lyn Eggleston that Google should turn up for you.

OPTION B
If you don't need to change the content or formatting from how it is
today in the PowerPoint in the foreseeable future, convert the whole
presentation into a PDF and bring it into Frame a page at a time. There
are also batch tools out there to bring in the PDF en masse, I believe.
Also, if you search the archives, others have described here how to
bring in PDFs, page by page, and they maintain that with keyboard
shortcuts, patience, and persistance, it can be done without losing your
sanity.

Good luck!
Jim

 

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Kenney
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PPT import into FM

I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point
into FM9. The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training
manual. We want to put everything into FM. What's the least painful
approach to bringing this material into FM. It's pretty graphics
intensive.

Thanks for any suggestions!

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vsd flow charts

[Fred Ridder]

Barbara Zeller asked:

> What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
> I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
> appreciate any tips.


Save As .wmf (or .emf) from Visio, then File>Import>File into FrameMaker.

Or else Print to PDF from Visio, and File>Import>File into FrameMaker.

Inserting the Visio figures as OLE objects works well for some users, but can 
cause issues downstream.

The one thing you shoud definitely avoid is saving the Visio figures in any 
sort of raster image format (TIFF, BMP, PNG, GIF, or especially JPEG, which is 
lossy as well as rasterized).

-Fred Ridder

vsd flow charts

[Flato, Gillian]

I made mine into PNG files and imported them as images. Visio as a Save
as or export feature that lets you convert the vsd file into a graphic
image.

Thank you,


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What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
FrameMaker?
I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
appreciate any tips.

Thanks!
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vsd flow charts

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi Barbara:

I'm turning the Visio files into PDFs and importing them by reference
into FrameMaker 7.2 files. I can see them clearly in FrameMaker and they
display well when I print the FrameMaker book as a PDF or as HTML
(converted using Mif2Go).

Since my Distiller is automatically set to use password protection, the
Visio files turn into protected PDFs. I have to remember to remove the
security; otherwise, when I try to turn the book into a PDF file, it
fails on the figure.

BTW, I'm using Acrobat 6.0 Professional.

Fei Min Lorente 

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What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
FrameMaker?
I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
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Thanks!
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vsd flow charts

[Krishna Mukherjee]

I save .vsd to .svg and import into Frame by reference. Works fine for my docs.





Krishna

> Subject: RE: vsd flow charts
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:47:22 -0700
> From: FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com
> To: bzeller at tcfbank.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hi Barbara:
> 
> I'm turning the Visio files into PDFs and importing them by reference
> into FrameMaker 7.2 files. I can see them clearly in FrameMaker and they
> display well when I print the FrameMaker book as a PDF or as HTML
> (converted using Mif2Go).
> 
> Since my Distiller is automatically set to use password protection, the
> Visio files turn into protected PDFs. I have to remember to remove the
> security; otherwise, when I try to turn the book into a PDF file, it
> fails on the figure.
> 
> BTW, I'm using Acrobat 6.0 Professional.
> 
> Fei Min Lorente 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Zeller,
> Barbara
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:01 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: vsd flow charts
> 
> What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
> FrameMaker?
> I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
> appreciate any tips.
> 
> Thanks!
> Barbara Zeller
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vsd flow charts

[Art Campbell]

I'd second Fred's recommendation for converting Visio files to PDFs for
print, but for HTML final output, I usually just go directly to PNGs, as
Gillian does.

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

>
> Barbara Zeller asked:
>
> > What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
> FrameMaker?
> > I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
> > appreciate any tips.
>
>
> Save As .wmf (or .emf) from Visio, then File>Import>File into FrameMaker.
>
> Or else Print to PDF from Visio, and File>Import>File into FrameMaker.
>
> Inserting the Visio figures as OLE objects works well for some users, but
> can cause issues downstream.
>
> The one thing you shoud definitely avoid is saving the Visio figures in any
> sort of raster image format (TIFF, BMP, PNG, GIF, or especially JPEG, which
> is lossy as well as rasterized).
>
> -Fred Ridder
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vsd flow charts

[Combs, Richard]

Zeller, Barbara asked: 

> What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into
> FrameMaker?
> I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2.
Would
> appreciate any tips.

If the results are fuzzy, I'm guessing you're exporting to JPEG,
probably the worst choice (it's for photos, not drawings). But any
raster (bitmap) image format is a bad idea. And Visio's export filters
(including those suitable for vector graphics -- EPS and WMF/EMF) have a
poor reputation. 

IMHO, PDF is by far the best option. If you have a recent full version
of Acrobat, and it was installed after Office/Visio, it should have
installed the PDFMaker plug-in, adding PDF buttons and menu to your
Office apps, including Visio. That makes it dead simple; once you set
PDF options once, it will take just a button click to create a new PDF
when you change the drawing. 

If that's not your situation, but you have Distiller, you can print your
Visio drawings to the Adobe PDF printer. 

In either case, if your Visio files contain multiple drawings, the PDF
will contain multiple pages. In FM, when you select a multi-page PDF to
import, a dialog appears in which you choose the page you want (there's
a preview if you've forgotten the page number). 

Helpful hint: When you create Visio drawings for import into FM, figure
out what size you want them to be on the FM page, and make the drawing
page that size (e.g., if you want them to span a 6" text column, then in
Visio, use a custom page 6" wide). It will simplify your life if your
drawings don't need to be scaled on import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
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vsd flow charts

[William Abernathy]

WMF or EMF work fine. You can hard-import these, import by reference, or embed 
them as OLE objects. If you are confident nobody is going to muck about with 
your source, importation by reference is easiest, because you can update more 
or 
less on the fly from Visio. You just need to remember to save the chart as 
(wmf/emf) when you're done with your session. be careful not to leave any 
object 
in the image selected, or you'll end up saving just that object, which can make 
for some embarrassment, to be sure.

If you are concerned about poor source discipline, the best method may be to 
build your flowcharts directly in Frame, using its graphical features. It all 
depends on your work environment. There used to be a way to backdoor save and 
import from vsd into Frame, but MSFT plugged that hole, so you'd likely be 
stuck 
with redrawing if you opt to go this route.

I've found OLE implementation to be pretty spotty, but my experience is getting 
a little elderly, and perhaps they've fixed things in recent revs.

--William Abernathy

Zeller, Barbara wrote:
> What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
> I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
> appreciate any tips.
>  
> Thanks!
> Barbara Zeller

What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Dov Isaacs]

There is a very big difference between "works under Windows 7" versus
"is supported on Windows 7." The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Amy Severson
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:35 PM
> To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
> Subject: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7
> 
> Hello.
> 
> What versions of FM are supported on Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit)? We are 
> specifically wondering about
> FM 7.2.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> Amy Severson
> Technical Communications Analyst
> Computers Unlimited
> techcomm at cu.net
> www.cu.net

What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Susan Modlin]

OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the difference 
between "works under" and "is supported on"? And the follow on question is 
"does it matter as long as it works"?

...Susan




From: Dov Isaacs 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:22:12 AM
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

There is a very big difference between "works under Windows 7" versus
"is supported on Windows 7." The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov

What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Combs, Richard]

Susan Modlin wrote:

> OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the
> difference between "works under" and "is supported on"? And the follow
on
> question is "does it matter as long as it works"?

It doesn't matter as long as it works. But if it stops working, it
matters a lot. If you have a problem with FM 7.2, and you're running it
on Windows 7, and you call Adobe tech support for help, you'll be
politely told to upgrade to FM 9 and stop bothering them. :-)


Richard G. Combs
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What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Art Campbell]

Semantics aside, 7.2 will run on W7 -- I ran it for several months using the
Beta and RC, but don't have a need for it on my production machines and so
I'm not running it currently. Depending on your setup, you may need to run
it in XP compatibility mode, but

Art

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>
> What versions of FM are supported on Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit)? We are
> specifically wondering about FM 7.2.
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Amy Severson
> Technical Communications Analyst
> Computers Unlimited
> techcomm at cu.net
> www.cu.net
>
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What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Dov Isaacs]

Supported means that Adobe Technical Support can assist you with any questions 
or problems and that Adobe officially claims that it works.

Works under means that users have tried it and there appears to be no 
incompatibilities. However, Adobe Tech Support will not assist you if you 
encounter any problems or want a question answered.

- Dov

From: Susan Modlin [mailto:smod...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:14 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

OK, this may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's the difference 
between "works under" and "is supported on"? And the follow on question is 
"does it matter as long as it works"?

...Susan


From: Dov Isaacs 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:22:12 AM
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

There is a very big difference between "works under Windows 7" versus
"is supported on Windows 7." The only version of FrameMaker supported
for Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) is FrameMaker 9.

- Dov

What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Rick Quatro]

With all due respect, I would only depend on Adobe Technical Support as a
last resort, particularly with FrameMaker. You are not going to get a whole
lot of help with an older version anyway. This list is the place to get
FrameMaker help.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
www.frameexpert.com

http://www.frameexpert.com/peace/


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:54 PM
To: Susan Modlin; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

Supported means that Adobe Technical Support can assist you with any
questions or problems and that Adobe officially claims that it works.

Works under means that users have tried it and there appears to be no
incompatibilities. However, Adobe Tech Support will not assist you if you
encounter any problems or want a question answered.

- Dov

What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Peter Gold]

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> With all due respect, I would only depend on Adobe Technical Support as a
> last resort, particularly with FrameMaker.

With all due respect, Rick, this is only true until Dov signs on as an
Adobe tech support agent.

> You are not going to get a whole
> lot of help with an older version anyway. This list is the place to get
> FrameMaker help.

Adobe's FrameMaker forums, as well as the framers list at omsys.com,
are also good sources.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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PPT import into FM

[Corinne Kenney]

I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point into FM9. 
The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training manual. We want to 
put everything into FM. What's the least painful approach to bringing this 
material into FM. It's pretty graphics intensive.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Corinne Kenney
OpenTV, Denver CO

PPT import into FM

[Art Campbell]

Do you need to keep it editable, or just publish it once and go on with
life?
And, if editable, work on in PPT, or Frame, or both and keep it in sync?

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Corinne Kenney  wrote:

> I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point into
> FM9. The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training manual. We
> want to put everything into FM. What's the least painful approach to
> bringing this material into FM. It's pretty graphics intensive.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Corinne Kenney
> OpenTV, Denver CO
>
>
>
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PPT import into FM

[Linda Rose]

One trick to extract embedded graphics that works in Word is to Save As 
HTML. In Word, it creates a folder of images. I haven't tried it in PPT 
but I bet it would work the same way. Doesn't help you much with the text 
though.

Good luck,

Linda





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Date:
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I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point into 
FM9. The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training manual. 
We want to put everything into FM. What's the least painful approach to 
bringing this material into FM. It's pretty graphics intensive.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Corinne Kenney
OpenTV, Denver CO




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PPT import into FM

[Pinkham, Jim]

My condolences, Corinne. I'll be interested to hear what others have to
say. I'm about to call it a day and won't be responding over the
weekend, at least, but here's an initial hunch as to how I might go at
it.

1. Confirm that the original content doesn't exist anywhere else first.
If PowerPoint was a destination and not an origin, you might well be in
a better starting position to begin with the original document(s).
2. If PowerPoint is the only source material, my preferred approach
would be to deal with the graphics and text separately.
A. For the text, (I'm using PowerPoint 2003), choose Send to --
Microsoft Office Word. On the next menu, choose Outline Only
1. If you have a very clean Word template that contains
only your FM styles, you might be able to copy and paste the text
(non-formatted) from the step above into your Word-to-FM template, apply
the styles in Word, and then bring the text into FM.
2. Otherwise, I'd select all the text in your new Word
doc (after cleaning up extra spaces, paying heed to special characters,
etc.) and copy and paste your new Word doc content as plain text into,
say, a Notepad file and save that file as plain text, and then import
the plain text into a clean document created from your FM template.
3. Once the text is in FM, begin applying (or
correcting, as necessary) styles and formatting to conform to your
template.
B. For the graphics:
1. If not embedded, set up anchored frames in FM and
begin importing the images by reference from their locations on your
computer or network.
2. If embedded, there is a PPT macro out there that will
extract images from a presentation. Save the images that result onto
your hard drive or whatever and then refer to Step 1 above. 
I can't post an attachment to the list and you
might find the macro online over the weekend. The one in my My Documents
folder is titled, "ContainsPictureExtractMacro.ppt". If you get stuck
and need it, contact me off-list, and I'll try to help you next week.
Otherwise, others may be able to propose a better approach -- or perhaps
something similar to "Extracting Images Embedded in Word Documents," an
online resource by Lyn Eggleston that Google should turn up for you.

OPTION B
If you don't need to change the content or formatting from how it is
today in the PowerPoint in the foreseeable future, convert the whole
presentation into a PDF and bring it into Frame a page at a time. There
are also batch tools out there to bring in the PDF en masse, I believe.
Also, if you search the archives, others have described here how to
bring in PDFs, page by page, and they maintain that with keyboard
shortcuts, patience, and persistance, it can be done without losing your
sanity.

Good luck!
Jim



-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne
Kenney
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PPT import into FM

I need to convert about 1200 pages of content that is in power point
into FM9. The PPT pages are currently printed and comprise a training
manual. We want to put everything into FM. What's the least painful
approach to bringing this material into FM. It's pretty graphics
intensive.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Corinne Kenney
OpenTV, Denver CO




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