RE: Historical FrameMaker upgrades

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:29 -0800 23/1/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:

Since FrameMaker 7.x is no longer eligible for upgrade pricing and because 
there was no version of FrameMaker for Macintosh beyond FrameMaker 7, there is 
no remaining crossgrade path for users of Macintosh versions of FrameMaker. 
Your only upgrade path now is to buy a newer version of FrameMaker and either 
run it on Windows hardware or on a virtual machine running on a Intel 
processor-based Macintosh.

Thanks for clarifying this, Dov. I knew about the second part but not the 
first. You may well have saved me from the frustrations of buying a Windows 
upgrade and then finding that I couldn't install it.

-- 
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Conditionalized cross-references

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.
Windows XP SP3, FrameMaker 8.0p277.
We have a strange problem with our cross-references when they are made 
conditional.
The definition of the cross-reference is: Italic$paratextDefault ¶ Font 
on page\ $pagenum
It seems the Default ¶ Font makes the text unconditional, i.e. the text from 
on page is unconditional although the whole cross-reference should be 
conditional.
Is there any way we can avoid this behavior?
Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Christiane Crety
Technical Writer
T +45 39 55 86 82
E c...@thrane.commailto:x...@thrane.com
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Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[Carol J. Elkins]

Thanks to everyone for pointing out Acrobat's watermark feature. I 
think it will be perfect for applying a watermark that can't be 
viewed until the document is printed.


The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to 
contain Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I 
told him that I THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to 
avoid post-production re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full 
path statement to the target document. I don't have any experience 
with Sharepoint. Do you know if my linking strategy will work or if 
there is a better way to do it?


Carol

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RE: Structured FM and DITA

[Fei Min Lorente]

Elchanan:

I'll just quickly add that you can move to structured FrameMaker without
using DITA. The relationship between the two is that structured
FrameMaker supports XML (i.e., in FrameMaker, you can define your
document like it is an XML file and optionally export it to XML), and
DITA is a standardized XML definition (i.e., the structure is already
defined for you; you work with the DITA file the same way you'd work
with any structured document, but you have to follow the standardized
hierarchy of elements, already-defined tags and attributes). So if you
move to structured FrameMaker, you can define your own structure or you
can use DITA.

Fei Min Lorente

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Framers; VLM TechSubs
Subject: Re: Structured FM and DITA

You'll probably get a tonne of advice, so I'll keep mine brief.

I found this book really useful when I was getting started: Introduction
to DITA: A User Guide to the Darwin Information Typing Architecture
(http://www.comtech-serv.com/dita2.shtml#book).

FrameMaker 9 handles DITA better than FrameMaker 8 (I think I saw you
ask a question before about FM 8). I don't know if FM 10 has any
advantages over FM 9 for DITA authoring.

Finally, consider what your output needs are and what tool best suits
your needs and budget. I've been using WebWorks ePublisher to create CHM
help, Web help, and now PDFs from DITA. It handles DITA nicely. There
are other tools, too, like Dita2Go and DITA Open Toolkit, but I don't
know a lot about them.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org
wrote:

 From: VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org
 Subject: Structured FM and DITA
 To: Framers Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:36 PM
 Hi everyone,
  
 Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to
 structured, and I realize
 that I don't know what DITA even is, how it is related to
 structured FM,
 etc. I would be grateful for pointers in the direction of
 good, introductory
 reading in these topics, particularly DITA. Does not have
 to be
 Frame-specific, I'm interested in understanding a bit about
 the whole
 concept and mechanism.
  
 Thank you kindly,
 Elchanan
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Re: Structured FM and DITA

[Milan Davidović]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:36 PM, VLM TechSubs
techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote:
 Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to structured

It's off the topic of your request, but could you tell us briefly
about what got you thinking about making the move?

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Re: Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[Carol J. Elkins]

Ah, see that's why I asked. I don't know anything about Sharepoint, 
so I didn't know those were required. If a person is already logged 
in, do they still need to provide that information?


My client planned to make the links via Acrobat, so I suspect that if 
he can link from Acrobat, I can link from Framemaker, providing I 
have a full path statement. Is that what  you do?


Carol

At 01:46 PM 1/27/2011, you wrote:

How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in the URL?

Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
authorized. Would that be an issue?

 The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to contain
 Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him that I
 THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid post-production
 re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the target
 document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know if my
 linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
--
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http://jposada.zenfolio.com/


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Re: Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[John Posada]

How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in the URL?

Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
authorized. Would that be an issue?

 The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to contain
 Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him that I
 THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid post-production
 re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the target
 document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know if my
 linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
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Compare Documents -- with Tables

[Outlaw, Cathy]

We have to create a redline that compares a new version of a document to a 
previous version of the document, for each draft revision.

The FrameMaker 9 Compare Documents utility works great for basic text. However, 
our documents are full of tables. Many, many very long tables.

With FM's Compare Documents utility, if a table structure changes (a row is 
added/deleted, a column is added/deleted, the anchor is moved, or any cell 
formatting is changed) then FM simply inserts both the old table and new table 
in the comparison document. The only conditional tracking it does is to put a 
change bar next to the old and new table anchors, and only the anchors take on 
the conditional color (i.e., red for deleted or blue for inserted).

In the comparison document, the two tables look like regular text - no 
conditions are applied. We have to MANUALLY color-code the insertions and 
deletions within all of the tables. This can take days, literally. There has 
GOT to be a better way!

So my request is: is there any way to automatically identify the changes within 
tables in FrameMaker, or with any application that would partner with 
FrameMaker? (Acrobat doesn't compare tables very well either, nor does Word.) I 
can't find enough information about FrameMaker 10 to know if they have 
addressed the Compare Documents feature with tables.

Any direction on this topic would be greatly appreciated!

Cathy Outlaw
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Historical FrameMaker upgrades

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:29 -0800 23/1/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>Since FrameMaker 7.x is no longer eligible for upgrade pricing and because 
>there was no version of FrameMaker for Macintosh beyond FrameMaker 7, there is 
>no remaining crossgrade path for users of Macintosh versions of FrameMaker. 
>Your only upgrade path now is to buy a newer version of FrameMaker and either 
>run it on Windows hardware or on a virtual machine running on a Intel 
>processor-based Macintosh.

Thanks for clarifying this, Dov. I knew about the second part but not the 
first. You may well have saved me from the frustrations of buying a Windows 
upgrade and then finding that I couldn't install it.

-- 
Steve Rickaby  

WordMongers Ltd
Registered office Larks Cottage, Treen, St Levan, Penzance TR19 6LG
Registered in the UK, company number 3130681, VAT reg no GB 557 4598 91
Telephone: 01 736 810575

Conditionalized cross-references

[Christiane Crety (CC)]

Hi Framers.
Windows XP SP3, FrameMaker 8.0p277.
We have a strange problem with our cross-references when they are made 
conditional.
The definition of the cross-reference is: <$paratext> 
on page\ <$pagenum>
It seems the  makes the text unconditional, i.e. the text from 
"on page" is unconditional although the whole cross-reference should be 
conditional.
Is there any way we can avoid this behavior?
Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Christiane Crety
Technical Writer
T +45 39 55 86 82
E cc at thrane.com
Thrane & Thrane A/S - Lundtoftegaardsvej 93 D
DK-2800  Kgs. Lyngby, Denmark - www.thrane.com
T +45 39 55 88 00 - F +45 39 55 88 88

Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[Carol J. Elkins]

Thanks to everyone for pointing out Acrobat's watermark feature. I 
think it will be perfect for applying a watermark that can't be 
viewed until the document is printed.

The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to 
contain Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I 
told him that I THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to 
avoid post-production re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full 
path statement to the target document. I don't have any experience 
with Sharepoint. Do you know if my linking strategy will work or if 
there is a better way to do it?

Carol

Structured FM and DITA

[Milan Davidović]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:36 PM, VLM TechSubs
 wrote:
> Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to structured

It's off the topic of your request, but could you tell us briefly
about what got you thinking about making the move?

-- 
Milan Davidovi?
http://twitter.com/altmilan
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic

Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[Carol J. Elkins]

Ah, see that's why I asked. I don't know anything about Sharepoint, 
so I didn't know those were required. If a person is already logged 
in, do they still need to provide that information?

My client planned to make the links via Acrobat, so I suspect that if 
he can link from Acrobat, I can link from Framemaker, providing I 
have a full path statement. Is that what  you do?

Carol

At 01:46 PM 1/27/2011, you wrote:
>How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in the URL?
>
>Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
>authorized. Would that be an issue?
>
> > The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to contain
> > Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him that I
> > THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid post-production
> > re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the target
> > document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know if my
> > linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
>--
>John Posada
>http://jposada.zenfolio.com/

Sharepoint links in a Frame doc

[John Posada]

How would you include the access credentials (login and password) in the URL?

Our Sharepoint installation requires someone to be defined in SP as
authorized. Would that be an issue?

> The same client wanting the watermark wants his PDF documents to contain
> Sharepoint links to other docs (tiffs, Word docs, etc.) I told him that I
> THOUGHT I could create hypertext links in Frame (to avoid post-production
> re-work on the PDF) as long as I had the full path statement to the target
> document. I don't have any experience with Sharepoint. Do you know if my
> linking strategy will work or if there is a better way to do it?
-- 
John Posada
http://jposada.zenfolio.com/

Compare Documents -- with Tables

[Outlaw, Cathy]

We have to create a "redline" that compares a new version of a document to a 
previous version of the document, for each draft revision.

The FrameMaker 9 Compare Documents utility works great for basic text. However, 
our documents are full of tables. Many, many very long tables.

With FM's Compare Documents utility, if a table structure changes (a row is 
added/deleted, a column is added/deleted, the anchor is moved, or any cell 
formatting is changed) then FM simply inserts both the old table and new table 
in the comparison document. The only conditional tracking it does is to put a 
change bar next to the old and new table anchors, and only the anchors take on 
the conditional color (i.e., red for deleted or blue for inserted).

In the comparison document, the two tables look like regular text - no 
conditions are applied. We have to MANUALLY color-code the insertions and 
deletions within all of the tables. This can take days, literally. There has 
GOT to be a better way!

So my request is: is there any way to automatically identify the changes within 
tables in FrameMaker, or with any application that would partner with 
FrameMaker? (Acrobat doesn't compare tables very well either, nor does Word.) I 
can't find enough information about FrameMaker 10 to know if they have 
addressed the Compare Documents feature with tables.

Any direction on this topic would be greatly appreciated!

Cathy Outlaw
Technical Communicator




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Conditional text in Frame 9

[Martin Ley]

Hi Rick,

Sounds like a plan - thanks for getting back to me on this. I won't go off list 
yet, as others may be interested or have more comments (apologies if you get 
this twice, therefore). If we can crack it, though, I would be definitely 
interested in a FrameScript.

Your initial suggestions sound good, but there may be exceptions/complications. 

* Certainly, if a complete paragraph has one (or more) conditions applied, the 
paragraph marker should retain those conditions when a new paragraph is created

* Consider a paragraph that is completely unconditional except for the last 
word; in this case FrameMaker gets it right: it leaves the paragraph marker 
unconditional and starts a new unconditional paragraph

In the following examples, ... denotes the extent of the conditional 
text; note carefully the position of the pilcrow (?) , inside or outside the 
conditional markers; I apologise if the  tags or the pilcrow (?) get messed 
up in translation:

Example 1:
===

Hello world?

Placing the cursor after 'world', pressing Return and typing 'Goodbye' gives:

Hello world?
Goodbye?

===


* I'm pretty sure FrameMaker makes mistakes when changing the Show/Hide 
settings. I've seen a heading concatenated onto the end of the previous 
paragraph, which really screws things up and means you have to check carefully 
after updating. This will be caused by unconditional paragraph markers. I 
haven't tested this thoroughly, but subsequent changes in Show/Hide followed by 
another Update will compound the issue.

I think this may be caused by FrameMaker's inconsistent behaviour when 
concatenating paragraphs (by a conscious deletion on the user's part, or 
automatically when changing Show/Hide settings). Consider these two cases:

Example 2 (duff first para thanks to Frame):
===

Hello world?
Goodbye?

Placing the cursor before 'Goodbye' and pressing Delete gives:

Hello worldGoodbye?

===


Example 3 (intentional conditional 'world'):
===

Hello world?
Goodbye?

Placing the cursor before 'Goodbye' and pressing Delete gives:

Hello worldGoodbye?

This one will definitely screw you over!!!

===

Martin


On 26 Jan 2011, at 22:01, Rick Quatro wrote:

> If this becomes a maintenance hassle, it could be fixed automatically with
> FrameScript. I am thinking you could have a script that would check to see
> if an entire paragraph except the paragraph mark is conditional, that it
> would automatically apply that condition to the paragraph mark. The script
> could be triggered automatically when you show or hide conditional text, or
> perhaps when you add a new paragraph. If you are interested, send me a
> sample document offlist and I will see what is possible and let you know.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-659-8267
> rick at frameexpert.com
> 
> *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
> 
> Subject: Re: Conditional text in Frame 9
> 
> That's exactly what I thought when I read your original post. We're
> experiencing the same problems at work... ultra frustration at how the
> conditional text that used to work like a charm and that you could rely on
> now doesn't work worth a dang! Adobe I hope you're listening...
> 
> If we come across anything that helps, I'll be certain to send it along.
> 
> Cheers,
> Deb
>