Re: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?
How do you go from FM to Word? I find the Mif2Go RTF output is very good, especially if you set up your FM template to minimize disruptions. Layout effects like sideheads and uneven columns can get messy, but single columns with headers work out really well, and x-ref links are preserved. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu wrote: Good morning, We have used the same authoring process for eons: Authors/editors work in MS Word, as well as preliminary indexing work. I then take the MS Word file, import into FM (unstructured) and do the final print-ready formatting, making things adhere to our publishing standards and tightening up consistency. As a process it work well... until it's time to revise the book for the next edition. Our authors and editors will ONLY work in MS Word. PDF comments/revisions will not work, as there frequently are extensive revisions including insertion of new sections (multiple pages) of content, as well as shuffling of content. When I export the final FM version back to MS Word for them to work on, the conversion is VERY crude and frequently requires extensive work on the post-conversion Word files for the editors to be able to work within the files. Then of course there's the reformatting from scratch in FM when the revisions are done (which actually is faster and more reliable than trying to reconcile changes in the MS Word version with the existing FM version). Is there a better way to perform the round-trip process given the MS Word requirement, and barring that, are there better ways/tools to get cleaner MS Word files from FM than exporting to RTF? Would making the change from unstructured to structured FM on my part help in this regard? Environment: Windows 7 64-bit Enterprise Framemaker 10 (unstructured) [NOTE: TCS 5 is on order but I have not received it yet.] Microsoft Office 2010 Thank you in advance. Dan Harding University of Illinois Tax School ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7
I typically have 10-15 applications running and if I come close to using 4GB it's a sign that one of my apps (usually Firefox) has a memory leak. As I noted earlier, I ran 64-bit Windows at work for a year and a half and performance was indistinguishable from my 32-bit system at home, and at work I preferred the 32-bit version of Photoshop since the 64-bit version took so long to load. If people experience performance bottlenecks on a PC with 4GB of RAM and 32-bit Windows when not performing resource-intensive tasks such as editing video, it's due to unnecessary bloatware, cycle-hogging utilities such as Bitdefender, software with memory leaks, or malware. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu wrote: I think buying more than 4GB of RAM would be a waste of money for most tech writers. I disagree 100%. It's not just the specific application(s) you run, but also how you work, that determines how much RAM is useful. If you only ever run a single word-processing application, then yes, more would be a waste. However, if you are a rampant multitasker, as I am, where you have a desktop pub application, word processing, Excel, a half dozen browser windows, etc., running simultaneously, system RAM is essential for responsiveness and to avoid virtual memory swapping. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?
You might evaluate migrating to Flare, its Word export and import are significantly better than FrameMaker's, and its FrameMaker import is very good. MadCap now claims that Flare supports round-tripping for use as an add-on for FrameMaker. I don't know if that's an exaggeration or if it still requires some manual cleanup in FM after import as it did in 7.1: http://forums.madcapsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=10t=13473 In my last job I was unable to get RoboHelp's Word export to do what I needed it to do, but if you've ordered TCS5 anyway, you might as well give it a shot. But that won't improve import. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu wrote: Good morning, We have used the same authoring process for eons: Authors/editors work in MS Word, as well as preliminary indexing work. I then take the MS Word file, import into FM (unstructured) and do the final print-ready formatting, making things adhere to our publishing standards and tightening up consistency. As a process it work well... until it's time to revise the book for the next edition. Our authors and editors will ONLY work in MS Word. PDF comments/revisions will not work, as there frequently are extensive revisions including insertion of new sections (multiple pages) of content, as well as shuffling of content. When I export the final FM version back to MS Word for them to work on, the conversion is VERY crude and frequently requires extensive work on the post-conversion Word files for the editors to be able to work within the files. Then of course there's the reformatting from scratch in FM when the revisions are done (which actually is faster and more reliable than trying to reconcile changes in the MS Word version with the existing FM version). Is there a better way to perform the round-trip process given the MS Word requirement, and barring that, are there better ways/tools to get cleaner MS Word files from FM than exporting to RTF? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7
The thing is, Robert, FM7 and Acrobat 7 have problems with more than just Windows 7, and if someone's earning their living using them, my advice to them would be to update their tools to something more recent, rather than compromise their operating system! Even on a basic level, if you only have FM7, you are not going to be able to open any FrameMaker docs you get sent from people with FM7.1, 7.2, 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12! And you don't have Unicode support (that was FM 7.2, I think?). David Message: 7 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:42:45 -0800 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7 Message-ID: CAN3Yy4B9EKvjEdPtSQ+tJU6+jJ+6Y8P7meZ8DG=-a2txnmq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The subject of this thread is Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7 and the opening post specifically mentioned FM7 and Acrobat 7, which do have problems with 64-bit Windows. On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: most people do not use old programs that don't work in 64-bit installations of Windows 7. *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?
Second on MIF2Go. It can be a challenge to configure the first time but the output is far superior to FM's native export and you have a lot more control. Here are the settings from a mif2htm.ini file that worked for me: [Options] Output=Standard EqVertAdjust=18 [Setup] UseExistingMIF=No DeleteMIF=Yes ConversionDesigner=No WordSuffix=.rtf ApplyTemplateFile=No ConvertVariables=Yes GenerateBook=No UseFrameTOC=No UseFrameIX=No UseFrameGenFiles=No WriteEquations=Yes WriteAllGraphics=No WriteRefPageGraphics=Yes WriteMasterPageGraphics=Yes UseGraphicFileID=Yes GraphicNameDigits=6 GraphicExportDPI=96 EquationExportDPI=120 EquationFrameExpand=125 GraphicExportFormat=WMF PrjFileName= IDFileName= PluginVersion=b112 UseExistingDCL=No [Automation] WrapAndShip=No WrapPath=.\wrap ShipPath=.\wrap [Fonts] Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial Courier=Courier New HelveticaNarrow=Arial Narrow Helvetica-Narrow=Arial Narrow Century Schoolbook=NewCenturySchlbk Common Bullets=CommonBullets [Defaults] [Graphics] UseGraphicPreviews=No GrVertAdjust=8 [GraphFiles] [GraphExport] ImportGraphics=Normal ExportNameChars=4 ExportNumDigits=4 [WordOptions] Word8=Yes WordPerfect=No HeadFoot=None HFFramed=No Sideheads=Left ExtXrefPages=No Quotes=Help [WordSectionFiles] [WordCntStyles] paragraph=1 [MacroVariables] ; Put any macro definition sections before this section. [Setup] PluginVersion=b111l WriteEquations=Yes WriteAllGraphics=No WordSuffix=.rtf IDFileName= UseExistingMIF=No DeleteMIF=Yes UseExistingDCL=No ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?
If you are using FM's native RTF, it's always been a bit dodgy. (Though the PDF-to-Word exporter is even more so!) I would *highly* recommend that you invest in a copy of MIF2Go (http://mif2go.com/). It provides a MUCH better output. Grant On February 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu wrote: Good morning, We have used the same authoring process for eons: Authors/editors work in MS Word, as well as preliminary indexing work. I then take the MS Word file, import into FM (unstructured) and do the final print-ready formatting, making things adhere to our publishing standards and tightening up consistency. As a process it work well... until it's time to revise the book for the next edition. Our authors and editors will ONLY work in MS Word. PDF comments/revisions will not work, as there frequently are extensive revisions including insertion of new sections (multiple pages) of content, as well as shuffling of content. When I export the final FM version back to MS Word for them to work on, the conversion is VERY crude and frequently requires extensive work on the post-conversion Word files for the editors to be able to work within the files. Then of course there's the reformatting from scratch in FM when the revisions are done (which actually is faster and more reliable than trying to reconcile changes in the MS Word version with the existing FM version). Is there a better way to perform the round-trip process given the MS Word requirement, and barring that, are there better ways/tools to get cleaner MS Word files from FM than exporting to RTF? Would making the change from unstructured to structured FM on my part help in this regard? Environment: Windows 7 64-bit Enterprise Framemaker 10 (unstructured) [NOTE: TCS 5 is on order but I have not received it yet.] Microsoft Office 2010 Thank you in advance. Dan Harding University of Illinois Tax School ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gr...@hedgewizard.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/grant%40hedgewizard.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?
I saw the PDF with comments import feature being demoed at an STC meeting earlier this month and it did appear to work, at least in the simple case being shown. But the document was changed after the PDF was created and the comments ended up exactly where they should have been. It's something I'd like to implement here but I have to wait until we get our Acrobat readers upgraded to a more current version. Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:12 PM To: Rick Quatro; 'Harding, Dan'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods? At 09:40 -0500 22/2/14, Rick Quatro wrote: Mif2Go by Omsys is a much better way to get good Word output from FrameMaker. They will tell you that there is no good tool for round-tripping between Word and FrameMaker, but if you are doing it anyway, you might as well make the Frame to Word side as good as possible. I highly recommend Mif2Go. Just to add to what Rick's said, there's a helpful section (6.1) in the Mif2Go manual, which you can download from the Omni Systems site, explaining just why Word doesn't play well with FrameMaker. http://mif2go.com/download/ug Just a thought, taking a more global view... FrameMaker 12 claims to be able to import PDFs with comments into the original FrameMaker source document, *even if it has changed*. I have no experience of how well it works (yet ;-), but you might want to review this new feature. -- Steve NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame not working this morning
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Re: SOLVED was RE: Frame not working this morning
My guess is an update was applied and the machine needed another reboot to complete it. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Gutierrez, Anita anita.gutier...@sage.com wrote: Thanks David, Rick, and Robert--I should have tried these basic troubleshooting tricks before bugging the list. Monday morning. L Rebooting the machine did the trick for now. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
