Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 120, Issue 14
Hi Rick Thanks for pointing out the issue to us, we will investigate more on this. Please share the sample file with me. Thanks Kunal Saini FM Engineering -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:52:01 -0400 From: "Rick Quatro" To: Subject: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 Message-ID: <00bb01d185dc$ba4ad220$2ee07660$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Framers, Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 120, Issue 14
Hi We are looking into this and we will get back to you after investigation. Thanks Amit jha Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://aka.ms/blhgte> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:04 PM -0700, "framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com" mailto:framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com>> wrote: Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 (Rick Quatro) 2. Re: FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 (Lin Sims) 3. Re: FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 (Jeff Coatsworth) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:52:01 -0400 From: "Rick Quatro" To: Subject: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 Message-ID: <00bb01d185dc$ba4ad220$2ee07660$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Framers, Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets, and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you may or may not recall since it's been so long. Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs. The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font called BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph. The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed by another tab. The autonumber is white. Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet. But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with a run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs out at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not enough negative spread to center the number. To illustrate: In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with numbered bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is daunting and of course undesirable. Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in command so they work together the way they used to. Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the problem? I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to experiment and find a solution. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 19679 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20160324/bda1aa2e/attachment-0001.png> -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 11:13:43 -0400 From: Lin Sims To: Rick Quatro Cc: Frame Users Subject: Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Would using a number font that has circle backgrounds work? There are a whole bunch at this site: http://www.fontscape.com/explore?3O4 There are several fonts that let you number up to 99 with them, but that should be plenty. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hello Framers, > > > > Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client > of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from > FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file > that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me > know > if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > 585-366-4017 > > r...@frameexpert.com > > > > > > I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with > FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I succe
Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015
Hi Rick, you are right, that is strange. But let's see it as it is: -- We use a centered tab in the numbering and a high negative spread to get text after a run-in-paragraph to be positioned over this first paragraph. I think that is magic all the way. -- Ok, to give you a workaround: Pls find attached a new font file called bigbullet3. I have set the bullet character to only half the calculated width. You only have to switch the "bullet" format from bigbullet2 to bigbullet3 -- it works for both older and the new FM version 2015 (at least in my test file does this). The spread can remain as is (-42). Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Rick Quatro: > Hello Framers, > > Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client > of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from > FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file > that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know > if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > 585-366-4017 > > r...@frameexpert.com > > I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with > FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets, > and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you > may or may not recall since it's been so long. > > Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs. > > The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font called > BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph. > > The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed > by another tab. The autonumber is white. > > Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the > effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet. > > But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with a > run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs out > at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve > the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not > enough negative spread to center the number. > > To illustrate: > > In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with numbered > bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is > daunting and of course undesirable. > > Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in > command so they work together the way they used to. > > Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the > problem? > > I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to > experiment and find a solution. > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com BigBullet3.ttf Description: Binary data ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015
Did they log it with the Adobe Bugbase? There's also the tech...@adobe.com e-mail that Stefan Gentz has promoted for users to use. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: March-24-16 10:52 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015 Hello Framers, Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets, and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you may or may not recall since it's been so long. Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs. The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font called BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph. The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed by another tab. The autonumber is white. Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet. But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with a run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs out at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not enough negative spread to center the number. To illustrate: In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with numbered bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is daunting and of course undesirable. Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in command so they work together the way they used to. Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the problem? I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to experiment and find a solution. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015
Would using a number font that has circle backgrounds work? There are a whole bunch at this site: http://www.fontscape.com/explore?3O4 There are several fonts that let you number up to 99 with them, but that should be plenty. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hello Framers, > > > > Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client > of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from > FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file > that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me > know > if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > 585-366-4017 > > r...@frameexpert.com > > > > > > I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with > FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets, > and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you > may or may not recall since it's been so long. > > > > Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs. > > > > The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font > called > BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph. > > > > The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed > by another tab. The autonumber is white. > > > > Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the > effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet. > > > > But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with > a > run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs > out > at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve > the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not > enough negative spread to center the number. > > > > To illustrate: > > > > > > > > > > > > In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with > numbered > bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is > daunting and of course undesirable. > > > > Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in > command so they work together the way they used to. > > > > Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the > problem? > > > > I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to > experiment and find a solution. > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015
Hello Framers, Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets, and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you may or may not recall since it's been so long. Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs. The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font called BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph. The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed by another tab. The autonumber is white. Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet. But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with a run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs out at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not enough negative spread to center the number. To illustrate: In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with numbered bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is daunting and of course undesirable. Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in command so they work together the way they used to. Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the problem? I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to experiment and find a solution. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
