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Re: [Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Alan Houser

For the record, I've been bitten by this several times over the years. 
It's annoying that FrameMaker makes assumptions about the XML document 
content model based on element names. Although it's only true in a small 
number of cases; still, an element name should be just a string. Element 
typing and behaviors should be left to the EDD and read/write rules.


In any event, Rick, I'm glad you arrived at a solution!

-Alan


On 2/15/17 10:10 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Thanks to Alan Houser for pointing out these posts by Lynne Price:

http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/2006-December/005568.
html

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/632726

I tried renaming tgroup to t-group and it solved the problem; I now get my
table title in the XML.

Thanks to Alan and Lynne!

Rick



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[Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

Thanks to Alan Houser for pointing out these posts by Lynne Price:

http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/2006-December/005568.
html

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/632726

I tried renaming tgroup to t-group and it solved the problem; I now get my
table title in the XML.

Thanks to Alan and Lynne!

Rick

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software.'
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hi Tino,

It doesn't seem to matter what I name the element or whether or not I use RW
rules. I don't get the Table Title element or content in the XML.

Rick

-Original Message-
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Of Tino H. Haida
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hi Rick, 

maybe FM sees "caption" as a reserved element name.
What happens if you try with a slightly different name? 

Why don't you use simply "Title" for the table title (which FM interprets as
table title directly without r/w rule).

Rick Quatro:

> I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the 
> problem. I am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my 
> application or not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title 
> element gets dropped on export to XML.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's 
> format set to "No Title"?
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Also, when I save to XML with 
> no application, the table title (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Rick...
> 
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
> 
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi All,
> 
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
> 
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
> 
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Scott Prentice

Or is your DTD excluding content there? I assume you're not getting any 
useful error messages?


...scott


On 2/15/17 3:07 PM, Ian Proudfoot wrote:

Rick
Do you perhaps have non-standard structure API client referenced in your
Structapps.fm file?

Ian

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the problem. I
am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my application or
not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title element gets dropped on
export to XML.

-Original Message-
From: Framers
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Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's format
set to "No Title"?

...scott


On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Also, when I save to XML with no application, the table title
(
element) still gets dropped from the xml.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Rick...

Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title"
from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table
object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside
the table object's structure?

I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but
it's not in the right location.

Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi All,




I have a structured application where my table titles are 
elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template
and I have this RW rule:




element "caption" is fm table title element;




When I save as XML using my structured application, the 
element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using
FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.




Rick




Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

r...@frameexpert.com

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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Ian Proudfoot

Rick
Do you perhaps have non-standard structure API client referenced in your
Structapps.fm file?

Ian

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the problem. I
am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my application or
not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title element gets dropped on
export to XML.

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's format
set to "No Title"?

...scott


On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Also, when I save to XML with no application, the table title 
> (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
>
> Rick...
>
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
>
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
>> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
>> and I have this RW rule:
>>
>>
>>
>> element "caption" is fm table title element;
>>
>>
>>
>> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
>> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
>> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>>
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>
>> 585-366-4017
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Tino,

It doesn't seem to matter what I name the element or whether or not I use RW
rules. I don't get the Table Title element or content in the XML.

Rick

-Original Message-
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Of Tino H. Haida
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hi Rick, 

maybe FM sees "caption" as a reserved element name.
What happens if you try with a slightly different name? 

Why don't you use simply "Title" for the table title (which FM interprets as
table title directly without r/w rule).

Rick Quatro:

> I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the 
> problem. I am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my 
> application or not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title 
> element gets dropped on export to XML.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's 
> format set to "No Title"?
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Also, when I save to XML with 
> no application, the table title (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Rick...
> 
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
> 
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi All,
> 
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
> 
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
> 
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Craig, Alison

Thanks guys.

I was kind of hoping someone knew of a utility :-(((

But with the "hide" suggestion, I can certainly figure how much shared content 
there is.

Alison

From: Framers 
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Of Lin Sims
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

Scott,

I don't think that will work as stated. She's trying to figure out how much
is the same across files, and this doesn't really tell her if the
information is the same, just that one has more characters than another.

On the other hand, if she adds a step to HIDE all of the text that is
conditioned, she'll get a file size/character count of only the common
text, and then she can compare that to the numbers from the files that have
one or more conditions showing depending on how she sets the display.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Scott Prentice 
 wrote:

> Alison...
>
> Since no one else jumped on this with a "good" solution .. here's my hack
> option.
>
> 1) Set the conditional state (hide/show) to show all (or whatever is one
> state of content you want to measure).
> 2) Run the .. File > Utilities > Document Reports > Character Count ..
> command. Note that number.
> 3) Change the conditional state to show the reduced set of content
> 4) Run Character Count again. Note that number.
> 5) Compare those numbers and repeat for other cases.
>
> Not "simple" but not terribly hard. This could certainly be automated with
> a plugin or script.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 2/15/17 10:49 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
>> - Frame 12
>> - unstructured
>> - Windows 7 64 bit
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text
>> in a book is shared?
>>
>> Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based
>> on the mix of conditions applied to the text.
>>
>> My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed
>> below) - so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of
>> conditional text is represented by each option.
>>
>> - Touch
>> - MSO
>> - Tab1
>> - Tab
>> - Touch and MSO
>> - Touch and Tab1
>> - Tab1 and Tab
>>
>>
>> Alison Craig
>> Technical Documentation Specialist
>> acr...@bkultrasound.com
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Tino H. Haida

Hi Rick, 

maybe FM sees "caption" as a reserved element name.
What happens if you try with a slightly different name? 

Why don't you use simply "Title" for the table title (which FM
interprets as table title directly without r/w rule).

Rick Quatro:

> I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the problem. I
> am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my application or
> not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title element gets dropped on
> export to XML.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's format
> set to "No Title"?
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Also, when I save to XML with no 
> application, the table title 
> (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Rick...
> 
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
> 
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi All,
> 
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
> 
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
> 
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Scott Prentice

Yeah .. that's where I was trying to go .. even if it wasn't described 
properly.  :-)


...scott


On 2/15/17 2:14 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Scott,

I don't think that will work as stated. She's trying to figure out how much
is the same across files, and this doesn't really tell her if the
information is the same, just that one has more characters than another.

On the other hand, if she adds a step to HIDE all of the text that is
conditioned, she'll get a file size/character count of only the common
text, and then she can compare that to the numbers from the files that have
one or more conditions showing depending on how she sets the display.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:


Alison...

Since no one else jumped on this with a "good" solution .. here's my hack
option.

1) Set the conditional state (hide/show) to show all (or whatever is one
state of content you want to measure).
2) Run the .. File > Utilities > Document Reports > Character Count ..
command. Note that number.
3) Change the conditional state to show the reduced set of content
4) Run Character Count again. Note that number.
5) Compare those numbers and repeat for other cases.

Not "simple" but not terribly hard. This could certainly be automated with
a plugin or script.

Cheers,
...scott



On 2/15/17 10:49 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:


- Frame 12
- unstructured
- Windows 7 64 bit


Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text
in a book is shared?

Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based
on the mix of conditions applied to the text.

My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed
below) - so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of
conditional text is represented by each option.

- Touch
- MSO
- Tab1
- Tab
- Touch and MSO
- Touch and Tab1
- Tab1 and Tab


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
acr...@bkultrasound.com |
bkultrasound.com

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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the problem. I
am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my application or
not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title element gets dropped on
export to XML.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's format
set to "No Title"?

...scott


On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Also, when I save to XML with no application, the table title 
> (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
>
> Rick...
>
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
>
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
>> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
>> and I have this RW rule:
>>
>>
>>
>> element "caption" is fm table title element;
>>
>>
>>
>> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
>> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
>> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>>
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>
>> 585-366-4017
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Lin Sims

Scott,

I don't think that will work as stated. She's trying to figure out how much
is the same across files, and this doesn't really tell her if the
information is the same, just that one has more characters than another.

On the other hand, if she adds a step to HIDE all of the text that is
conditioned, she'll get a file size/character count of only the common
text, and then she can compare that to the numbers from the files that have
one or more conditions showing depending on how she sets the display.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Alison...
>
> Since no one else jumped on this with a "good" solution .. here's my hack
> option.
>
> 1) Set the conditional state (hide/show) to show all (or whatever is one
> state of content you want to measure).
> 2) Run the .. File > Utilities > Document Reports > Character Count ..
> command. Note that number.
> 3) Change the conditional state to show the reduced set of content
> 4) Run Character Count again. Note that number.
> 5) Compare those numbers and repeat for other cases.
>
> Not "simple" but not terribly hard. This could certainly be automated with
> a plugin or script.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 2/15/17 10:49 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
>> - Frame 12
>> - unstructured
>> - Windows 7 64 bit
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text
>> in a book is shared?
>>
>> Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based
>> on the mix of conditions applied to the text.
>>
>> My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed
>> below) - so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of
>> conditional text is represented by each option.
>>
>> - Touch
>> - MSO
>> - Tab1
>> - Tab
>> - Touch and MSO
>> - Touch and Tab1
>> - Tab1 and Tab
>>
>>
>> Alison Craig
>> Technical Documentation Specialist
>> acr...@bkultrasound.com |
>> bkultrasound.com
>>
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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Scott Prentice


Alison...

Since no one else jumped on this with a "good" solution .. here's my 
hack option.


1) Set the conditional state (hide/show) to show all (or whatever is one 
state of content you want to measure).
2) Run the .. File > Utilities > Document Reports > Character Count .. 
command. Note that number.

3) Change the conditional state to show the reduced set of content
4) Run Character Count again. Note that number.
5) Compare those numbers and repeat for other cases.

Not "simple" but not terribly hard. This could certainly be automated 
with a plugin or script.


Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 10:49 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:

- Frame 12
- unstructured
- Windows 7 64 bit


Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text in a 
book is shared?

Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based on the 
mix of conditions applied to the text.

My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed below) - 
so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of conditional text 
is represented by each option.

- Touch
- MSO
- Tab1
- Tab
- Touch and MSO
- Touch and Tab1
- Tab1 and Tab


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
acr...@bkultrasound.com | 
bkultrasound.com

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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Scott Prentice

Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's 
format set to "No Title"?


...scott


On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Also, when I save to XML with no application, the table title (
element) still gets dropped from the xml.

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From: Framers
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Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Rick...

Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" from the
FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table object structure,
not like a DITA table where the  is outside the table object's
structure?

I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but it's
not in the right location.

Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi All,

   


I have a structured application where my table titles are 
elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template
and I have this RW rule:

   


element "caption" is fm table title element;

   


When I save as XML using my structured application, the 
element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using
FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

   


Rick

   


Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

r...@frameexpert.com

585-366-4017

   

   

   

   

   


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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

Also, when I save to XML with no application, the table title (
element) still gets dropped from the xml.

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Rick...

Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" from the
FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table object structure,
not like a DITA table where the  is outside the table object's
structure?

I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but it's
not in the right location.

Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>   
>
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
>
>   
>
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
>
>   
>
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>
>   
>
> Rick
>
>   
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
> 585-366-4017
>
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Scott,

Yes, it is in the right place; it is a "real" table title. For some reason,
it is getting dropped on the way to XML. I am using a post transform, but if
I run the transform by hand in Oxygen, the  survives. Thanks.

Rick

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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Rick...

Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" from the
FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table object structure,
not like a DITA table where the  is outside the table object's
structure?

I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but it's
not in the right location.

Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>   
>
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
>
>   
>
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
>
>   
>
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>
>   
>
> Rick
>
>   
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Scott Prentice


Rick...

Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" from 
the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table object 
structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside the table 
object's structure?


I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
it's not in the right location.


Cheers,
...scott


On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi All,

  


I have a structured application where my table titles are 
elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template and I
have this RW rule:

  


element "caption" is fm table title element;

  


When I save as XML using my structured application, the  element
gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using FrameMaker 2015. Any
help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

  


Rick

  


Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

r...@frameexpert.com

585-366-4017

  

  

  

  

  


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[Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

2017-02-15 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi All,

 

I have a structured application where my table titles are 
elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template and I
have this RW rule:

 

element "caption" is fm table title element;

 

When I save as XML using my structured application, the  element
gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using FrameMaker 2015. Any
help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

 

Rick

 

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r...@frameexpert.com

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[Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

2017-02-15 Thread Craig, Alison

- Frame 12
- unstructured
- Windows 7 64 bit


Does anyone know if there is a way to figure out what percentage of text in a 
book is shared?

Even better would be a way figure out how much text is conditional based on the 
mix of conditions applied to the text.

My conditions are mostly to do with the product in question (as listed below) - 
so it would be great if I could figure out what percentage of conditional text 
is represented by each option.

- Touch
- MSO
- Tab1
- Tab
- Touch and MSO
- Touch and Tab1
- Tab1 and Tab


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
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Re: [Framers] SOLVED: RE: Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

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Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

Re: [Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

[Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

[Framers] Conditional and Shared Text - Determining Percentages

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