RE: Mif2Go: installation problems

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Bob,

Are you using FM 12? If so, you need an updated module for FM 12, 
m2rbook115.dll, I think it is. Log in to your Mif2Go account and go to 
Registered Software, then scroll down to the Beta Components section - see 
m2rbook115.zip in the table.

I don't know if this is what's causing your problem or not, but not having this 
update stumped me when I upgraded to FM12 and tried to use Mif2Go.

Thanks,

Peggy

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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 1:37 PM
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Subject: Mif2Go: installation problems

Hi, Everyone:

Thanks beforehand to anyone who can help me with the following issue.

I've been tasked with doing a major DITA conversion for my company.  The issue? 
 I've been given Mif2Go with which to work, and when I attempt to install the 
plugin, the installation fails.  (I am working in section 1.3.1. of the user 
guide, by the way.)  I have ensured that I am using the correct variable names 
and correct variable values.  Yet, when I open a Windows shell command prompt 
and check to see if the installation took, I get an error message.

Specifically, this is where I am stuck in 1.3.1:



Verify that your new framework is accessible

Reboot your Windows system. Then open a command-prompt window, type dcl, and 
press Enter. You should see a usage message for dcl.exe. If you see a not 
found message instead, something is wrong.


Thanks again!

Bob




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Framemaker-DITA group still active?

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know if the Yahoo FrameMaker-DITA group is still active? I 
attempted to join the group and (eventually) got the message below as a 
response.

Thanks,

Peggy

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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 3:10 AM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Subject: Request to join framemaker-dita denied


Hello,

Your request to join the framemaker-dita group was not approved.
Your membership was automatically rejected because the moderator didn't approve 
it within 14 days. We do this to provide a high quality of service for our 
users.

If you want, you may attempt to join this group again.


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RE: FM 12 structured authoring training

[Harvey, Peggy]

Thanks to everyone who responded on and off-list to my inquiry regarding 
structured authoring training. Sounds like there are some promising 
opportunities out there. We're going to look into what we might be able to 
swing financially and will go from there.

Thanks,

Peggy

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:14 AM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: FM 12 structured authoring training

Hi Peggy,

Hi Peggy, I have helped/am helping a number of groups implement DITA with 
FrameMaker. I'd be happy to talk to you about online or in-person options for 
your group.

-Matt
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Hi Framers,

My company is making the move to DITA and will be using FM 12 as our authoring 
platform. We've been using FrameMaker for years and everyone is very 
comfortable with the unstructured interface, but the structured interface is a 
new beast for us. Can anyone recommend possibilities for training on the 
structured interface? I've watched some Adobe webinars on the subject but 
they're just not putting the pieces together for me. I don't know yet what our 
budget will allow but I'd like to get an idea of what's out there that might 
meet our needs.



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FM 12 structured authoring training

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

My company is making the move to DITA and will be using FM 12 as our authoring 
platform. We've been using FrameMaker for years and everyone is very 
comfortable with the unstructured interface, but the structured interface is a 
new beast for us. Can anyone recommend possibilities for training on the 
structured interface? I've watched some Adobe webinars on the subject but 
they're just not putting the pieces together for me. I don't know yet what our 
budget will allow but I'd like to get an idea of what's out there that might 
meet our needs.

Thanks,

Peggy Harvey
Senior Technical Writer
Allied Telesis Labs


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RE: variables interface

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Craig,

I highly recommend the BookVars plugin from Leximation. I use it to do exactly 
what you describe in one step. I have several variables that have the same name 
in all books but different definitions in each book. I maintain a single, 
master variable file for all of my books, then simply import the set of 
definitions for that particular book. The BookVars plugin bypasses the 
Variables pod so you don't have to edit each variable with multiple clicks.

Peggy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:08 AM
To: framers
Subject: variables interface

I have a template with a series of built in variables that have generic content 
until used in a specific document.

Double-clicking on a variable brings up the variables pod where I then have to 
click Edit to bring up the window wherein I can actually change the content of 
the variable.

Does anybody know a way to do this in one step? (My current process is clearly 
a more complicated way to have to change variable content than the old 
interface provided.)

If a one-step edit is not possible, can Adobe please add a modifier key that 
can be pressed when doubled clicking on a variable so that the Edit window is 
immediately available?

Apologies if I'm doing things the hard way and an obvious solution is 
available. Please clue me in if that is the case.

Thanks, framers!

Craig


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variables interface

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Craig,

I highly recommend the BookVars plugin from Leximation. I use it to do exactly 
what you describe in one step. I have several variables that have the same name 
in all books but different definitions in each book. I maintain a single, 
master variable file for all of my books, then simply import the set of 
definitions for that particular book. The BookVars plugin bypasses the 
Variables pod so you don't have to edit each variable with multiple clicks.

Peggy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:08 AM
To: framers
Subject: variables interface

I have a template with a series of built in variables that have generic content 
until used in a specific document.

Double-clicking on a variable brings up the variables pod where I then have to 
click Edit to bring up the window wherein I can actually change the content of 
the variable.

Does anybody know a way to do this in one step? (My current process is clearly 
a more complicated way to have to change variable content than the old 
interface provided.)

If a one-step edit is not possible, can Adobe please add a modifier key that 
can be pressed when doubled clicking on a variable so that the Edit window is 
immediately available?

Apologies if I'm doing things the hard way and an obvious solution is 
available. Please clue me in if that is the case.

Thanks, framers!

Craig


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RE: Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of the responses to my query. The mystery has finally been 
solved: The tool used was AutoBookmark by Evermap. Apparently the person 
created the bookmarks in FrameMaker, then used AutoBookmark on the PDF side to 
delete the bookmarks, recreate them and create named destinations for the new 
bookmarks. AutoBookmark converts periods and spaces into underscores and 
truncates names to 32 characters for HTML compatibility.

For the record -- I don't recommend this method since it introduces a lot of 
post-processing work on the PDF side. But at least now I know how it was done.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of the responses to my query. The mystery has finally been 
solved: The tool used was AutoBookmark by Evermap. Apparently the person 
created the bookmarks in FrameMaker, then used AutoBookmark on the PDF side to 
delete the bookmarks, recreate them and create named destinations for the "new" 
bookmarks. AutoBookmark converts periods and spaces into underscores and 
truncates names to 32 characters for HTML compatibility.

For the record -- I don't recommend this method since it introduces a lot of 
post-processing work on the PDF side. But at least now I know how it was done.

Thanks,

Peggy

Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know of a tool that automatically converts headings in FrameMaker 
files to named destinations in the PDF? I have reason to believe such a tool 
exists. One tip I have is it seems to convert periods and spaces to 
underscores, so the heading 1.1 Overview appears as the named destination 
1_1_Overview in the PDF.

Thanks for your help.

Peggy
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RE: Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Harro,

Thanks for your response. The Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs 
checkbox doesn't create named destinations in the format I'm looking for. I'm 
pretty sure what I described was done with a separate tool, though I don't know 
if it was a commercial one or something developed in-house. If it was a 
commercial tool I figured a FrameMaker guru might know what it could be.

Thanks,

Peggy

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Harvey, Peggy; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Convert headings to destinations in PDF

Harvey, Peggy wrote: 


 
 Does anyone know of a tool that automatically converts headings in 
 FrameMaker files to named destinations in the PDF? I have reason to believe 
 such a tool exists.
 One tip I have is it seems to convert periods and spaces to 
 underscores, so the heading 1.1 Overview appears as the named 
 destination 1_1_Overview in the PDF.

It's available in Frame itself. In the Print -PDF Setup dialog, go to the 
'Links' tab, and check the 'Create named destinations' box. 

Harro de Jong
Triview
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Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Harro,

Thanks for your response. The "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs" 
checkbox doesn't create named destinations in the format I'm looking for. I'm 
pretty sure what I described was done with a separate tool, though I don't know 
if it was a commercial one or something developed in-house. If it was a 
commercial tool I figured a FrameMaker guru might know what it could be.

Thanks,

Peggy

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Harvey, Peggy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Convert headings to destinations in PDF

Harvey, Peggy wrote: 


> 
> Does anyone know of a tool that automatically converts headings in 
> FrameMaker files to named destinations in the PDF? I have reason to believe 
> such a tool exists.
> One tip I have is it seems to convert periods and spaces to 
> underscores, so the heading "1.1 Overview" appears as the named 
> destination "1_1_Overview" in the PDF.

It's available in Frame itself. In the Print ->PDF Setup dialog, go to the 
'Links' tab, and check the 'Create named destinations' box. 

Harro de Jong
Triview

Convert headings to destinations in PDF

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know of a tool that automatically converts headings in FrameMaker 
files to named destinations in the PDF? I have reason to believe such a tool 
exists. One tip I have is it seems to convert periods and spaces to 
underscores, so the heading "1.1 Overview" appears as the named destination 
"1_1_Overview" in the PDF.

Thanks for your help.

Peggy
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Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Harvey, Peggy]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my FM 9 query. Like Alison, I also received 
a response from Priyank at Adobe regarding the volume and backward licensing 
option. (Thanks, Priyank!)

I've talked to my manager about the options, and I think we're going to hold 
off trying to get a FM 9 license right now and address some other issues first, 
then determine the best course of action going forward. It's looking like 
upgrading to FM 11 at both sites with a volume license may be the best 
solution, but there are some other factors we need to consider first.

Thanks,

Peggy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:28 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

I looked into this in December and this is the answer I received from Adobe:

If you need to purchase Framemaker 9 and Adobe Design standard CS 5, then you 
need to purchase the Volume license copy of Framemaker 11 and Adobe Design 
Standard CS 6 as Adobe is not selling FM 9 and CS 5 anymore,  then any one from 
the customer services team will do the backward license to FM 9 and CS 5. 
Please let me know in case of any doubt. 
(priya...@adobe.commailto:priya...@adobe.com)

Alison

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:24 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

If you registered your copy, you might be able to buy another license and 
download the software from the Adobe Licensing site - contact them.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: March-12-13 1:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Harvey, Peggy]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my FM 9 query. Like Alison, I also received 
a response from Priyank at Adobe regarding the volume and backward licensing 
option. (Thanks, Priyank!)

I've talked to my manager about the options, and I think we're going to hold 
off trying to get a FM 9 license right now and address some other issues first, 
then determine the best course of action going forward. It's looking like 
upgrading to FM 11 at both sites with a volume license may be the best 
solution, but there are some other factors we need to consider first.

Thanks,

Peggy

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:28 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

I looked into this in December and this is the answer I received from Adobe:

"If you need to purchase Framemaker 9 and Adobe Design standard CS 5, then you 
need to purchase the Volume license copy of Framemaker 11 and Adobe Design 
Standard CS 6 as Adobe is not selling FM 9 and CS 5 anymore,  then any one from 
the customer services team will do the backward license to FM 9 and CS 5. 
Please let me know in case of any doubt." (priyasha at 
adobe.com<mailto:priyasha at adobe.com>)

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:24 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

If you registered your copy, you might be able to buy another license and 
download the software from the Adobe Licensing site - contact them.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: March-12-13 1:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Rick,

Thank you for the information, it sounds like an interesting tool. In my case 
no folders or files have been renamed so that isn’t the problem.

Like Alison, I’d like to know *why* FrameMaker seems to be changing relative 
references to absolute ones when I’ve followed the rules and kept all files in 
the same directory with graphics neatly organized in a single subdirectory. My 
understanding of FrameMaker was that maintaining relative references was one of 
the program’s claims to fame; now it seems that “feature” is a lot more fragile 
than I thought.

Thanks,

Peggy

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM
To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Paul Wilbraham'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Alison and Peggy,

Please forgive me if I have sent you this link before. Please let me know if 
you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com



From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Paul Wilbraham; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – 
everything works fine with relative paths.

But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with 
absolute paths.

That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the 
paths become absolute anyway.

Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files 
are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no 
network issue, at least on my end.

Alison

From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Alison
We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. 
Graphics on a separate drive are absolute.

--Paul
On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:
I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics.

Here’s the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I

RE: Relative vs. absolute links

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Wim,

Thanks for your input. When I opened each file individually I did do it from 
the book file, saved each file, and updated the book (including references) - 
for both the FM 9 and FM 7 files the xrefs were still unresolved.

I'll have to try saving first, then moving, maybe that will do the trick. 
Thought I'd save time by doing both in one step but apparently not.

Thanks,

Peggy


From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:24 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to 
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the 
Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In 
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but 
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because 
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ...?) best 
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all 
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, 
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the 
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than 
the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the 
MIF files.''

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to 
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let 
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder.  So you should first save, 
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although 
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are 
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

Information Energy 2013 - Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and 
Information Exchange
IEn2013http://informationenergy.org/

tel. +31652036811
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[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Wim,

Thanks for your input. When I opened each file individually I did do it from 
the book file, saved each file, and updated the book (including references) - 
for both the FM 9 and FM 7 files the xrefs were still unresolved.

I'll have to try saving first, then moving, maybe that will do the trick. 
Thought I'd save time by doing both in one step but apparently not.

Thanks,

Peggy


From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:24 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Peggy,

it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references.

You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to 
FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the 
"Graphics" subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In 
retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but 
cross-references between files were all broken.''

If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because 
these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ...?) best 
approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all 
files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, 
next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved.

Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the 
book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than 
the FM 9 files and copied the "Graphics" directory to the same folder as the 
MIF files.''

If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to 
the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let 
them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder.  So you should first save, 
then move.

Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although 
pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are 
written as absolute paths).

You better use a book mover utility


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

Information Energy 2013 - Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and 
Information Exchange
IEn2013<http://informationenergy.org/>

tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA @ien2013
info at idtp.eu<mailto:info at idtp.eu>
www.idtp.eu<http://www.idtp.eu>

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu<mailto:framemaker at idtp.eu>

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[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a Graphics subdirectory for all graphics.

Here's the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the Graphics 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files - the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I'd just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I'd fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too - they were 
linked absolutely to the Graphics folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative Graphics folder I'd copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that's what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we're STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I'm hoping he'll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I've seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I'm hoping he doesn't have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Relative vs. absolute links

[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a "Graphics" subdirectory for all graphics.

Here's the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the "Graphics" 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the "Graphics" directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files - the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I'd just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I'd fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too - they were 
linked absolutely to the "Graphics" folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative "Graphics" folder I'd copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that's what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we're STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I'm hoping he'll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I've seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I'm hoping he doesn't have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy
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[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi Rick,

Thank you for the information, it sounds like an interesting tool. In my case 
no folders or files have been renamed so that isn?t the problem.

Like Alison, I?d like to know *why* FrameMaker seems to be changing relative 
references to absolute ones when I?ve followed the rules and kept all files in 
the same directory with graphics neatly organized in a single subdirectory. My 
understanding of FrameMaker was that maintaining relative references was one of 
the program?s claims to fame; now it seems that ?feature? is a lot more fragile 
than I thought.

Thanks,

Peggy

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM
To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Paul Wilbraham'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Alison and Peggy,

Please forgive me if I have sent you this link before. Please let me know if 
you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com>



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Paul Wilbraham; 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

I would agree, as when I send the files out ? all on the same drive ? 
everything works fine with relative paths.

But when they come back ? still all on the same drive ? they are returned with 
absolute paths.

That?s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don?t change ? but the 
paths become absolute anyway.

Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files 
are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no 
network issue, at least on my end.

Alison

From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Alison
We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. 
Graphics on a separate drive are absolute.

--Paul
On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com>> wrote:
I?d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format ? so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a ?Graphics? subdirectory for all graphics.

Here?s the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the ?Graphics? 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the ?Graphics? directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files ? the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I?d just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I?d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. 

RE: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

[Harvey, Peggy]

I'm thinking you all may be right about Timesavers, I think my predecessor did 
have it installed so maybe he was using it for the target markers. I see a lot 
of target destinations in the PDF, here are a few examples:

G3.1069777
G9.1164423
I7.1.1246871
M11.9.23100.figurecaption.FIGURE.88.Modify.Log.Properties.Form
M8.9.82569.Heading2.6134.Configuration.Guidelines
P.250
F4

Looks like it's Timesavers version 5.5. I attempted to install it when I 
upgraded to FM 9; I see the Timesavers menu when I have an individual file open 
but not with just a book file, I'm not sure if that's right or not. I haven't 
had time to devote to learning Timesavers yet, unfortunately.

Peggy

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:42 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

Peggy, what do the help target markers look like in FrameMaker? I'm thinking 
maybe your predecessor had TimeSavers installed. The marker text syntax could 
indicate whether that's the case.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 This is one of the benefits of TimeSavers: you can use pdfmark 
 commands in FrameMaker using markers instead of PostScript text 
 frames. This avoids the anchored frames and text frames. I have used 
 and supported TimeSavers for years and it is well worth the money.]
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[Harvey, Peggy]

I'm thinking you all may be right about Timesavers, I think my predecessor did 
have it installed so maybe he was using it for the target markers. I see a lot 
of target destinations in the PDF, here are a few examples:

G3.1069777
G9.1164423
I7.1.1246871
M11.9.23100.figurecaption.FIGURE.88.Modify.Log.Properties.Form
M8.9.82569.Heading2.6134.Configuration.Guidelines
P.250
F4

Looks like it's Timesavers version 5.5. I attempted to install it when I 
upgraded to FM 9; I see the Timesavers menu when I have an individual file open 
but not with just a book file, I'm not sure if that's right or not. I haven't 
had time to devote to learning Timesavers yet, unfortunately.

Peggy

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:42 PM
To: Harvey, Peggy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

Peggy, what do the help target markers look like in FrameMaker? I'm thinking 
maybe your predecessor had TimeSavers installed. The marker text syntax could 
indicate whether that's the case.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> This is one of the benefits of TimeSavers: you can use pdfmark 
> commands in FrameMaker using markers instead of PostScript text 
> frames. This avoids the anchored frames and text frames. I have used 
> and supported TimeSavers for years and it is well worth the money.]

RE: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

[Harvey, Peggy]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request to solve this mystery. I figured 
it was probably done with named destinations somehow but I've searched the 
files and I can't find any evidence of the necessary links - no hypertext 
markers or pdfmark text boxes. I looked at the Destinations panel in a a PDF 
where this worked as Jennifer suggested (thanks for that tip!) and I see the 
auto-generated destinations but not any that look like they were manually 
created for help button links.

Ultimately, I plan to create an HTML-based online help system for the product 
that will be easier to maintain in the long run. In the meantime it looks like 
the PDF problem will remain a mystery for now.

Thanks again,

Peggy

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:38 PM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy
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[Harvey, Peggy]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request to solve this mystery. I figured 
it was probably done with named destinations somehow but I've searched the 
files and I can't find any evidence of the necessary links - no hypertext 
markers or pdfmark text boxes. I looked at the Destinations panel in a a PDF 
where this worked as Jennifer suggested (thanks for that tip!) and I see the 
auto-generated destinations but not any that look like they were manually 
created for help button links.

Ultimately, I plan to create an HTML-based online help system for the product 
that will be easier to maintain in the long run. In the meantime it looks like 
the PDF problem will remain a mystery for now.

Thanks again,

Peggy

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:38 PM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Using PDF for context-sensitive help

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy
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[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy
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[Harvey, Peggy]

(I'm not sure this made it to the list so I'm sending again - my apologies if 
you get it twice.)

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy

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Using PDF for context-sensitive help

[Harvey, Peggy]

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy

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[Harvey, Peggy]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I've come into a situation 
where I need to maintain an online help system that uses a PDF document as the 
target. When you click a Help button in a dialog box it's supposed to bring up 
a particular page (or go to a particular heading) in the PDF - not just open 
the PDF on page 1. Does anyone know how this might be done? The PDF is created 
from FrameMaker so I'm assuming there must be markers in the FrameMaker files 
somewhere but I can't find them, or I'm not sure what to look for. The person 
who created this system isn't here anymore so I'm trying to figure out what he 
did to make this work. When it worked the PDF was created from FrameMaker 7; 
I'm using FrameMaker 9. It appears all of the Help buttons in the product are 
broken now - they open up the PDF file I created in FM 9 but only to the first 
page, so they aren't context-sensitive anymore. I don't know if upgrading to FM 
9 made a difference here or not.

I know using PDF for context-sensitive help isn't ideal - that's a different 
story.

Thanks for your help -

Peggy
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