Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
DITA is an XML data model. DTDs are one of many parts of that model
and are not required for all DITA documents.

https://dita.xml.org

http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.2/os/spec/DITA1.2-spec.html

People commonly don't publish XML. That's a source format and they
publish PDF, online help, static HTML, whatever.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:52 AM, shuttie27  wrote:
> No, DITA is not XML. It is a DTD that can be used to create XML documents. It 
> can also be used within a FrameMaker structured application to create 
> structured FM documents that can remain just that, with output to PDF. The 
> DITA EDD within FrameMaker will take care of the paragraph and character 
> tagging. There is absolutely no requirement to output XML if you don't want 
> to. My point was that the OP can create FM documents using the DITA 
> application in FramaMaker, output to PDF, and think about XML later on. That 
> is exactly what I did some years back.
> Roger
>
>
> Sent from my tablet.
>  Original message From: Robert Lauriston 
>  Date: 28/06/2018  18:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email 
> list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 
>  Subject: [Framers] Fwd:  Starting DITA 1.2
> "Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML."
>
> DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
> FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
> elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
> in unstructured FrameMaker.
>
> If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
> in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
> really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roger Shuttleworth 
> Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> ... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
> structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
> of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread shuttie27
No, DITA is not XML. It is a DTD that can be used to create XML documents. It 
can also be used within a FrameMaker structured application to create 
structured FM documents that can remain just that, with output to PDF. The DITA 
EDD within FrameMaker will take care of the paragraph and character tagging. 
There is absolutely no requirement to output XML if you don't want to. My point 
was that the OP can create FM documents using the DITA application in 
FramaMaker, output to PDF, and think about XML later on. That is exactly what I 
did some years back.
Roger


Sent from my tablet.
 Original message From: Robert Lauriston  
Date: 28/06/2018  18:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software."  Subject: [Framers] Fwd:  
Starting DITA 1.2 
"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML."

DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
in unstructured FrameMaker.

If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roger Shuttleworth 
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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[Framers] Fwd: Starting DITA 1.2

2018-06-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
"Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML."

DITA is XML. Or are you saying that you could use unstructured
FrameMaker paragraph and character tags in the same way you would DITA
elements? That's not entirely true, some elements have no counterpart
in unstructured FrameMaker.

If you can accomplish something using unstructured FrameMaker, why put
in all the time and effort to use structured? Conversely, if you
really need DITA, FrameMaker's probably not the best tool.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roger Shuttleworth 
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Starting DITA 1.2
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


... Forget about XML for the time being. You can use DITA or any other
structure without having to convert it to XML. I did that for a couple
of years before even attempting to create XML. ...
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