Re: Backtracking cross-references
Steve, Using marker-based cross-references, FrameMaker cannot search for cross-references to a particular location (although it can be done in MIF, using FrameScript, or with an FDK client). Using element-based cross-references in structured FrameMaker, in which the cross-reference itself can be in a structured or unstructured document, but the cited location (in FrameMaker's terminology the source of the cross-reference) must be in a structured document, FrameMaker can search for cross-references to a particular location. The source must be identified by a unique ID attribute that is not hidden. --Lynne At 07:39 AM 2/7/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote: An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Backtracking cross-references
Steve, Using marker-based cross-references, FrameMaker cannot search for cross-references to a particular location (although it can be done in MIF, using FrameScript, or with an FDK client). Using element-based cross-references in structured FrameMaker, in which the cross-reference itself can be in a structured or unstructured document, but the cited location (in FrameMaker's terminology the "source" of the cross-reference) must be in a structured document, FrameMaker can search for cross-references to a particular location. The source must be identified by a unique ID attribute that is not hidden. --Lynne At 07:39 AM 2/7/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote: An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Backtracking cross-references
An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Backtracking cross-references
Steve, You wrote: An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. Time consuming... but if you save the file as MIF, you can search for the marker ID, and identify which XRefSrcText items point to that number. Obviously, this will only relate to cross-references in the current file. The marker ID is displayed in FrameMaker's Special Marker dialog box. Only search for the number indicated, as the paragraph style and text shown in the marker reflect the situation at the time when the cross-reference was created (FrameMaker does not update these when the source paragraph changes in terms of text/tag). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF Technical Indexing seminars ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Backtracking cross-references
At 11:25 am -0500 7/2/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: If you want to go from the xref to the location it points to try this: Find the xref (for example see Weiners and Beans on page 5) Press and hold Ctrl+Alt and click on the reference OR Double click the reference, then select Go To Source in the dialog (top right I think). No, it's the opposite of that that I want to do. If you need to find all the markers and group them to see what points TO a reference, try building a List of Markers (type is cross-reference) and see if that helps. Ahah - yes, that would do it. In the list of markers you will find this type of content: 22009: Heading 3: Printing Then look for a Heading 3 with the text Printing in your docs. Not a 100$ reliable system as it needs to have the same text remain in the paragraph (the word Printing is used on first insertion, so later edits don't get reflected, for example, changing it to read Print to PDF still has the marker text 22009: Heading 3: Printing a Scan Window) Right. Great. Thanks. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Backtracking cross-references
At 6:33 pm +0200 7/2/06, Shlomo Perets wrote: Time consuming... but if you save the file as MIF, you can search for the marker ID, and identify which XRefSrcText items point to that number. Obviously, this will only relate to cross-references in the current file. Books is what I need, unfortunately. Here's yet another way: delete the cross-reference's target (or source, depending on how you look at it), then recompile the book to see what breaks ;-) Anyway, no way to do it using the 'Find' dialog - which is what I expected. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Backtracking cross-references
At 11:37 am -0500 7/2/06, Rick Quatro wrote: To add to other solutions: you could do this with a FrameScript script. ;-) I'm sure you're right, Rick - I must get into FrameScript one day. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Backtracking cross-references
Not so easy. The problem being that there can be many references pointing to the same destination marker. And there's no way to know which external files (if any) might be pointing to a given marker. In our pubs group, we use the now-discontinued FrameLink interface between FrameMaker and our Documentum docbase, and one of the services it provides is tracking of all inter-file references. It's a great benefit of the system even if it only identifies the referring file and not the specific x-refs within those files. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:39 AM To: framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: Backtracking cross-references An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. -- Steve ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Backtracking cross-references
An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. -- Steve
Backtracking cross-references
To add to other solutions: you could do this with a FrameScript script. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a > way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? > > Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual > cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. > -- > Steve > ___
Backtracking cross-references
At 11:25 am -0500 7/2/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: >If you want to go from the xref to the location it points to try this: > >Find the xref (for example "see Weiners and Beans on page 5") >Press and hold Ctrl+Alt and click on the reference > >OR > >Double click the reference, then select "Go To Source" in the dialog (top >right I think). No, it's the opposite of that that I want to do. >If you need to find all the markers and group them to see what points TO a >reference, try building a List of Markers (type is cross-reference) and see if >that helps. Ahah - yes, that would do it. >In the list of markers you will find this type of content: >22009: Heading 3: Printing > >Then look for a Heading 3 with the text Printing in your docs. Not a 100$ >reliable system as it needs to have the same text remain in the paragraph (the >word Printing is used on first insertion, so later edits don't get reflected, >for example, changing it to read Print to PDF still has the marker text 22009: >Heading 3: Printing a Scan Window) Right. Great. Thanks. -- Steve
Backtracking cross-references
At 6:33 pm +0200 7/2/06, Shlomo Perets wrote: >Time consuming... but if you save the file as MIF, you can search for the >marker ID, and identify which XRefSrcText items point to that number. >Obviously, this will only relate to cross-references in the current file. Books is what I need, unfortunately. Here's yet another way: delete the cross-reference's target (or source, depending on how you look at it), then recompile the book to see what breaks ;-) Anyway, no way to do it using the 'Find' dialog - which is what I expected. -- Steve
Backtracking cross-references
At 11:37 am -0500 7/2/06, Rick Quatro wrote: >To add to other solutions: you could do this with a FrameScript script. ;-) I'm sure you're right, Rick - I must get into FrameScript one day. -- Steve
Backtracking cross-references
Not so easy. The problem being that there can be many references pointing to the same destination marker. And there's no way to know which external files (if any) might be pointing to a given marker. In our pubs group, we use the now-discontinued FrameLink interface between FrameMaker and our Documentum docbase, and one of the services it provides is tracking of all inter-file references. It's a great benefit of the system even if it only identifies the referring file and not the specific x-refs within those files. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:39 AM To: framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: Backtracking cross-references An easy one, maybe: given a destination cross-reference marker, is there a way to locate the source(s) of the cross-reference? Searching for marker text doesn't work, either using the actual cross-reference text, or the id number in the destination marker. -- Steve ___
Backtracking cross-references
At 12:18 pm -0500 7/2/06, Ridder, Fred wrote: >Not so easy. The problem being that there can be many >references pointing to the same destination marker. And >there's no way to know which external files (if any) might >be pointing to a given marker. > >In our pubs group, we use the now-discontinued FrameLink >interface between FrameMaker and our Documentum >docbase, and one of the services it provides is tracking >of all inter-file references. It's a great benefit of the system >even if it only identifies the referring file and not the specific >x-refs within those files. Thanks Fred. What foxes me is that almost the only thing that FrameMaker's Find interface, which is normally so strong, cannot do is to search for the text displayed by a cross-reference. Or a variable, for that matter. They're odd omissions. -- Steve
