Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Robert Lauriston]

What sequence of commands are you using to embed it?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Roman Banks banks_ro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 when I
 embedded the Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the icon became
 fuzzy and distorted.
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Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Robert Lauriston]

I don't know about transparency, but this is what works well for me:

In Visio, use File  Page Setup  Page Size  Size to fit drawing
contents to eliminate unused space around the drawing, then File 
Save As  Enhanced Metafile (*.emf).

In FrameMaker, import the .emf file by reference.
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Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Roman Banks]

Hi everybody,
 
First of all, thank you for your great answers! Much appreciated!
 
I know that embedding Visio drawings in FrameMaker is not the optimal way of 
working (although, very convenient), but it's currently not feasible for us to 
start externalizing the diagrams in books containing thousands of pages. 
 
Thanks again,
Roman

From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
To: Roman Banks banks_ro...@yahoo.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing


I don't know about transparency, but this is what works well for me:

In Visio, use File  Page Setup  Page Size  Size to fit drawing
contents to eliminate unused space around the drawing, then File 
Save As  Enhanced Metafile (*.emf).

In FrameMaker, import the .emf file by reference.___


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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Roman Banks]

Hi everybody,
?
First of all, thank you for your great answers! Much appreciated!
?
I know that embedding Visio drawings in FrameMaker is not the optimal way of 
working (although, very convenient), but it's currently not feasible for us to 
start "externalizing" the diagrams in books containing thousands of pages. 
?
Thanks again,
Roman

From: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
To: Roman Banks ; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing


I don't know about transparency, but this is what works well for me:

In Visio, use File > Page Setup > Page Size > "Size to fit drawing
contents" to eliminate unused space around the drawing, then File >
Save As > Enhanced Metafile (*.emf).

In FrameMaker, import the .emf file by reference.
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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Roman Banks]

Hi everybody,
 
I have a simple Visio drawing containing basic Visio shapes (e.g., a rectangle 
with a green background). I inserted a PNG (an icon with a transparent 
background) via Insert--Picture--From File and put it on top of the 
rectangle. So far, everything looked perfect. However, when I embedded the 
Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the icon became fuzzy and 
distorted. When I opened the Visio from Framemaker - everything looked fine 
again, but when I closed it, the icon had a stroke ;-). I wasn't too concerned 
with that as I've seen many times that Framemaker distorts images, but when 
converted to PDF, they look OK again. However, it wasn't the case this time.
 
When I converted the FM file to PDF (File -- Save as PDF), the icon itself 
looked OK, BUT it was surrounded by a white background! In the Distiller 
settings, I deselected the CMYK to RGB option, and generated the PDF again -- 
the white background disappeared, but the icon looked fuzzy and distorted as in 
Framemaker.
 
Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, and how 
to solve this problem?
 
TIA!!!
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Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Jun-03 11:55 AM, Roman Banks wrote:

Hi everybody,
I have a simple Visio drawing containing basic Visio shapes (e.g., a 
rectangle with a green background). I inserted a PNG (an icon with a 
transparent background) via Insert--Picture--From File and put it on 
top of the rectangle. So far, everything looked perfect. However, when 
I embedded the Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the 
icon became fuzzy and distorted. When I opened the Visio from 
Framemaker - everything looked fine again, but when I closed it, the 
icon had a stroke ;-). I wasn't too concerned with that as I've seen 
many times that Framemaker distorts images, but when converted to PDF, 
they look OK again. However, it wasn't the case this time.
When I converted the FM file to PDF (File -- Save as PDF), the icon 
itself looked OK, BUT it was surrounded by a white background! In the 
Distiller settings, I deselected the CMYK to RGB option, and 
generated the PDF again -- the white background disappeared, but the 
icon looked fuzzy and distorted as in Framemaker.
Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, 
and how to solve this problem?





AFAIK, FM still does not support transparency, so that's why you get the 
white background.  Not sure why the fuzziness, unless Visio is producing 
a low-res preview as in EPS files. (I have never used Visio.)


HTH a bit,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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Re: FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:55 -0700 3/6/13, Roman Banks wrote:

Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, and how 
to solve this problem?

Roman - it might not be FrameMaker. You mention PNG. PNG is (presumably) 
created via an export filter from Visio. Historically, we have had endless 
problems with Visio export filters to 'foreign' (i.e. non-Microsoft) formats 
producing non-faithful reproductions of images that look correct in Visio. So 
my suggestion is to first check that your graphic is not being distorted by the 
export process from Visio before you start looking for problems in the 
FrameMaker/Distiller/PDF domain. I cannot for sure state that this is the 
problem in your case, but you should check if first before looking for issues 
outside of Visio.

You also mention FrameMaker's 'Save as PDF' feature. This also, historically, 
has been a cause of problems, although they may have been fixed in your version 
of FrameMaker (which you don't mention). So I suggest you also try saving to 
.ps and distilling separately, if you have a full version of Acrobat.

-- 
Steve
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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Roman Banks]

Hi everybody,
?
I have a simple Visio drawing containing basic Visio shapes (e.g., a rectangle 
with a green background). I inserted a PNG?(an icon with a transparent 
background) via Insert-->Picture-->From File and put it on top of the 
rectangle. So far, everything looked perfect. However, when I embedded the 
Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the icon became fuzzy and 
distorted. When I opened the Visio from Framemaker - everything looked fine 
again, but when I closed it, the icon had a?stroke ;-). I wasn't too concerned 
with that as I've seen many times that Framemaker distorts images, but when 
converted to PDF, they look OK again. However, it wasn't the case this time.
?
When I converted the FM file to PDF (File --> Save as PDF), the icon itself 
looked OK, BUT it was surrounded by a white background! In the Distiller 
settings, I deselected the "CMYK to RGB" option, and generated the PDF again -- 
the white background disappeared, but the icon looked fuzzy and distorted as in 
Framemaker.
?
Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, and how 
to solve this problem?
?
TIA!!!
Roman
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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Jun-03 11:55 AM, Roman Banks wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I have a simple Visio drawing containing basic Visio shapes (e.g., a 
> rectangle with a green background). I inserted a PNG (an icon with a 
> transparent background) via Insert-->Picture-->From File and put it on 
> top of the rectangle. So far, everything looked perfect. However, when 
> I embedded the Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the 
> icon became fuzzy and distorted. When I opened the Visio from 
> Framemaker - everything looked fine again, but when I closed it, the 
> icon had a stroke ;-). I wasn't too concerned with that as I've seen 
> many times that Framemaker distorts images, but when converted to PDF, 
> they look OK again. However, it wasn't the case this time.
> When I converted the FM file to PDF (File --> Save as PDF), the icon 
> itself looked OK, BUT it was surrounded by a white background! In the 
> Distiller settings, I deselected the "CMYK to RGB" option, and 
> generated the PDF again -- the white background disappeared, but the 
> icon looked fuzzy and distorted as in Framemaker.
> Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, 
> and how to solve this problem?
>


AFAIK, FM still does not support transparency, so that's why you get the 
white background.  Not sure why the fuzziness, unless Visio is producing 
a low-res preview as in EPS files. (I have never used Visio.)

HTH a bit,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:55 -0700 3/6/13, Roman Banks wrote:

>Do you have any ideas what makes FM and Distiller distort the drawing, and how 
>to solve this problem?

Roman - it might not be FrameMaker. You mention PNG. PNG is (presumably) 
created via an export filter from Visio. Historically, we have had endless 
problems with Visio export filters to 'foreign' (i.e. non-Microsoft) formats 
producing non-faithful reproductions of images that look correct in Visio. So 
my suggestion is to first check that your graphic is not being distorted by the 
export process from Visio before you start looking for problems in the 
FrameMaker/Distiller/PDF domain. I cannot for sure state that this is the 
problem in your case, but you should check if first before looking for issues 
outside of Visio.

You also mention FrameMaker's 'Save as PDF' feature. This also, historically, 
has been a cause of problems, although they may have been fixed in your version 
of FrameMaker (which you don't mention). So I suggest you also try saving to 
.ps and distilling separately, if you have a full version of Acrobat.

-- 
Steve

FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Robert Lauriston]

What sequence of commands are you using to embed it?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Roman Banks  wrote:
> when I
> embedded the Visio drawing in Framemaker (without resizing), the icon became
> fuzzy and distorted.

FM and Distiller distort Visio drawing

[Robert Lauriston]

I don't know about transparency, but this is what works well for me:

In Visio, use File > Page Setup > Page Size > "Size to fit drawing
contents" to eliminate unused space around the drawing, then File >
Save As > Enhanced Metafile (*.emf).

In FrameMaker, import the .emf file by reference.