Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[McLean, Malcolm]

I wonder how many of us might buy a Frame Light for home use, even with
no output capabilities at all. I think remember a WYSINQWYG (...not
quite...) editor for Interleaf, and Flare has an editor for use by
reviewers. Something like that would suit me fine.

In my present job I don't have a company laptop, though I can use the
VPN to get to my desktop from home. However, there are times when I
would like to work on a couple of Frame9 files at home on a USB drive
without having to log in.

Since I have had a personal FM licence from FM3 to FM7.1 (been using
other non-Frame products for a few years) I thought I would pay the
usual $299 and upgrade. No such luck - the only upgrade path from FM7.1
is to TCS and costs $1000 or $1100 - I don't remember which due to
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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Steve Rickaby]

I think I see where Adobe are coming from here...

InCopy <-> InDesign

Contribute <-> Dreamweaver

FrameMaker Lite <-> FrameMaker 

...maybe.

As a sole worker using FrameMaker mostly for textbook production, I'd have no 
use for a Lite version, but it's encouraging to hear that Adobe are thinking 
about the application. A new Mac version would make me a very happy bunny 
indeed, but I have no realistic hopes of that, just as I cannot see an e-mail 
future beyond Eudora. Looks like I'm committed to maintaining the computer 
museum for a few more years ;-)

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[McLean, Malcolm]

I wonder how many of us might buy a Frame Light for home use, even with
no output capabilities at all. I think remember a WYSINQWYG (...not
quite...) editor for Interleaf, and Flare has an editor for use by
reviewers. Something like that would suit me fine.

In my present job I don't have a company laptop, though I can use the
VPN to get to my desktop from home. However, there are times when I
would like to work on a couple of Frame9 files at home on a USB drive
without having to log in.

Since I have had a personal FM licence from FM3 to FM7.1 (been using
other non-Frame products for a few years) I thought I would pay the
usual $299 and upgrade. No such luck - the only upgrade path from FM7.1
is to TCS and costs $1000 or $1100 - I don't remember which due to
shock-induced amnesia.


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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Writer]

On 22/02/2011 7:19 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

 I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub 
output directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from 
InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to 
output ePub through RoboHelp.


 When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, 
I was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
capability, though.


 So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe 
now that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.


Mike, I think that those are profound and interesting statements. The 
same thought has occurred to me regarding other software that I use. 
Wouldn't it be beneficial to the user AND the vendor if we could buy 
just the outputs that we need at a per-output-price? Wouldn't it mean 
more potential sales for the vendor? As you suggested (re: reasonally 
priced script), it seems to me that if the current vendors won't do it, 
someone else will.


Nadine
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[Writer]

On 22/02/2011 7:19 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
 >
 >> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub 
output directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from 
InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to 
output ePub through RoboHelp.
 >>
 > When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, 
I was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
capability, though.
 >
 > So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe 
now that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.

Mike, I think that those are profound and interesting statements. The 
same thought has occurred to me regarding other software that I use. 
Wouldn't it be beneficial to the user AND the vendor if we could buy 
just the outputs that we need at a per-output-price? Wouldn't it mean 
more potential sales for the vendor? As you suggested (re: "reasonally 
priced script"), it seems to me that if the current vendors won't do it, 
someone else will.

Nadine

Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
Adobe wants you to use Acrobat for that (with PDFs). That why they
incorporated comments features in Acrobat and incorporating the
comments into Frame.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 2/22/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote:

  
  
  
  
Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore
  as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the
  Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
  the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the
  motivation to develop a
  business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to
  create and review
  content, but little else.
  
  I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user
  (experimenting with 10
  at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing
  content in Word.
  Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise
  stuff once it is
  collected together.
  
  So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in
  structured or
  unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that
  requires the content
  provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and
  a few text styles
  (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by
  reference. I can
  get around a need to define conditional text by using
  different paragraph format
  names. All this in templates that can only be developed or
  altered by full
  license holders.
  
  To support the development of a business case can you post
  what (other)
  functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many
  licenses you would
  (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame
  licenses you currently
  have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL
  delivered (local install,
  web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to
  pay for it to get
  it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your
  SMEs currently
  use?
  
  Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content
  which can be output
  with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel
  each time an SME puts
  fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its
  time in my
  organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there
  must be demand for
  this. Please let me know.
  
  Best regards,
  Ant
  
  
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RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Anthony Davey]

Shmuel,

The point is that you (SMEs) can't create content in a PDF.  Frame Light is not 
just about review, it's a way of making content creation potentially more 
structured and less open to abuse (read local formatting overrides).

Regards,
Ant

From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 February 2011 09:17
To: Anthony Davey
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

Adobe wants you to use Acrobat for that (with PDFs). That why they incorporated 
comments features in Acrobat and incorporating the comments into Frame.



Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133

On 2/22/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote:
Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant

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RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Lea Rush]

There's a brief but detailed discussion on this on the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2646481

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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
 Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:20 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
 
 
  I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output
  directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign
  or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub
  through RoboHelp.
 
 When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I
 was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar
 and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The
 logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into
 RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create
 print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in
 RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's
 no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that
 capability, though.
 
 So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now
 that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a
 reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.
 
 Mike Wickham


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[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi Ant,

Probably not what you want to hear but...

Frankly, why bother. It is reinventing the wheel that Adobe decided to  
let fall some years go with Frame View, et al. InDesign already has a  
client application for copy editing, I see no particular reason for  
Frame to have another application added to the mix when Adobe have  
just spent the last several years consolidating the range of Frame  
products into one.

People do their own thing now. Why would they want to change that and  
give up their creative freedoms? From their standpoint you might  
consider this as a corporate imposition on what it is they want to  
achieve and not as a means to streamline and improve their work.

When I have wanted a client to edit and update content I have used  
mif2go and exported the relevant chapter(s) as rtf. This provides the  
benefit of ensuring only named styles are exported into the file,  
along with named fonts, etc. Alternatively I have made a Word template  
which has limited access to unwanted styles. Do you really want people  
to go editing the content of your documents? Have they been trained,  
and what of your own job security?

 From the SME standpoint:
1, I would not want to have go out buy another word processor when I  
already have one.
2, I am a business person, I know what I want and don't need to be  
told. Word does what I want.
3, I have a business to run, I do not want to be bothered with having  
to learn a new program to do the things I can already do with what I  
already have.
4, What am I paying those guys for? Now they want me to do their work  
and pay their license fees too?

I do not see that having a Frame Light version adds any particular  
value to FrameMaker or to a workflow without the addition of  
significant other supporting infrastructure such as versioning, which  
on its own entails a server and network, and security, and hardware,  
and software...

All these can be achieved with Acrobat's editing and annotation  
functions. From my experience these already provide significant value,  
and when added to the rtf export with mif2go, there is not a lot left  
for a Frame Lite version to do.

Good luck though.

Cheers
Alan

On 22/02/2011, at 11:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote:

> Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...
>
> I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few  
> days ago at
> the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation  
> to develop a
> business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to  
> create and review
> content, but little else.
>
> I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user  
> (experimenting with 10
> at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing  
> content in Word.
> Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff  
> once it is
> collected together.
>
> So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in  
> structured or
> unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the  
> content
> provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few  
> text styles
> (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by  
> reference.  I can
> get around a need to define conditional text by using different  
> paragraph format
> names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered  
> by full
> license holders.
>
> To support the development of a business case can you post what  
> (other)
> functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses  
> you would
> (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses  
> you currently
> have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered  
> (local install,
> web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay  
> for it to get
> it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs  
> currently
> use?
>
> Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can  
> be output
> with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time  
> an SME puts
> fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time  
> in my
> organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be  
> demand for
> this.  Please let me know.
>
> Best regards,
> Ant
>

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Totally agreeing with Rick here, and yet curiously, we are both SMEs.  
Go figure ;)

Alan

On 23/02/2011, at 10:14 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote:

> I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask  
> about the market for a "Light" version of their product.
>
> I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that  
> such things never thrive.
>
> If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the  
> Mac/Unix versions?
>
> Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the  
> competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work,  
> and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing,  
> especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such  
> things by hand.
>
> And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a  
> printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit  
> my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't  
> need to buy a copy of Illustrator.
>
> I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.
>
> Rick Smith.

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

On 23/02/2011, at 11:00 AM, Milan Davidovi? wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith  
>  wrote:
>> I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask  
>> about the market for a "Light" version of their product.
>>
>> I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that  
>> such things never thrive.
>
> Do you consider Adobe's "Elements" versions as "light" (e.g. Photoshop
> Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
> they do OK.


These target a different kind of market. They are consumer, non- 
professionally oriented and has little to do with what FrameMaker  
does. You would be unlikely to see a home-based Elements user opening  
Frame Lite to edit something, for example.

Alan

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

On 23/02/2011, at 11:20 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:

> I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and  
> have requested it numerous times from Adobe.   This would be one way  
> to bring back the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App  
> store.  I think a price point of $99 or less would be great.

If there were to be an argument for the release of a Mac version, I  
would push for a full version and not something stripped down. The  
only reason I operate Windows is so I can have FrameMaker, indeed I  
recently obtained an old eMac so I could install FM 7 for the Mac on  
it and run that under Classic.

Having a Lite version for the Mac is a step towards there never being  
another full version on that platform.

> There are too many of our clients that end up porting their  
> documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker.   This is due to  
> licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily  
> used) functions for tracking and editing changes.

So why fight it? Why not instead improve the workflow and facilitate  
what it is that people are doing now? Have a robust Word export and  
import function that actually works. One in which Word garbage can  
actually be filtered out and that can be used to create Word documents  
that already have locked down styles, or can be used to create Word  
templates that restrict user options.


>
> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub  
> output directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from  
> InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to  
> output ePub through RoboHelp.

Indeed, and with 9. However it begs the question, why not an export  
filter? That has little to do with a Lite version which, to be Lite,  
would surely lack export options and only allow saving in the same  
format as that which the file arrived in?

Alan

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Shmuel,

The point is that you (SMEs) can't create content in a PDF.  Frame Light is not 
just about review, it's a way of making content creation potentially more 
structured and less open to abuse (read local formatting overrides).

Regards,
Ant

From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 February 2011 09:17
To: Anthony Davey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

Adobe wants you to use Acrobat for that (with PDFs). That why they incorporated 
comments features in Acrobat and incorporating the comments into Frame.



Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133

On 2/22/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote:
Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

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unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

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functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Lea Rush]

There's a brief but detailed discussion on this on the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2646481

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
> 
> 
> > I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output
> > directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign
> > or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub
> > through RoboHelp.
> >
> When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I
> was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar
> and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The
> logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into
> RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create
> print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in
> RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's
> no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that
> capability, though.
> 
> So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now
> that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a
> reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.
> 
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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Anthony Davey]

Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant

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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi Ant,

Probably not what you want to hear but...

Frankly, why bother. It is reinventing the wheel that Adobe decided to  
let fall some years go with Frame View, et al. InDesign already has a  
client application for copy editing, I see no particular reason for  
Frame to have another application added to the mix when Adobe have  
just spent the last several years consolidating the range of Frame  
products into one.


People do their own thing now. Why would they want to change that and  
give up their creative freedoms? From their standpoint you might  
consider this as a corporate imposition on what it is they want to  
achieve and not as a means to streamline and improve their work.


When I have wanted a client to edit and update content I have used  
mif2go and exported the relevant chapter(s) as rtf. This provides the  
benefit of ensuring only named styles are exported into the file,  
along with named fonts, etc. Alternatively I have made a Word template  
which has limited access to unwanted styles. Do you really want people  
to go editing the content of your documents? Have they been trained,  
and what of your own job security?


From the SME standpoint:
1, I would not want to have go out buy another word processor when I  
already have one.
2, I am a business person, I know what I want and don't need to be  
told. Word does what I want.
3, I have a business to run, I do not want to be bothered with having  
to learn a new program to do the things I can already do with what I  
already have.
4, What am I paying those guys for? Now they want me to do their work  
and pay their license fees too?


I do not see that having a Frame Light version adds any particular  
value to FrameMaker or to a workflow without the addition of  
significant other supporting infrastructure such as versioning, which  
on its own entails a server and network, and security, and hardware,  
and software...


All these can be achieved with Acrobat's editing and annotation  
functions. From my experience these already provide significant value,  
and when added to the rtf export with mif2go, there is not a lot left  
for a Frame Lite version to do.


Good luck though.

Cheers
Alan

On 22/02/2011, at 11:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote:


Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few  
days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation  
to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to  
create and review

content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user  
(experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing  
content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff  
once it is

collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in  
structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the  
content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few  
text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by  
reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different  
paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered  
by full

license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what  
(other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses  
you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses  
you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered  
(local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay  
for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs  
currently

use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can  
be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time  
an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time  
in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be  
demand for

this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant



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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Dr Rick Smith]

I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
market for a Light version of their product.

I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
never thrive.

If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
versions?

Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, 
like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This 
fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't 
have the patience to fix such things by hand.

And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a 
printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, 
if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of 
Illustrator. 

I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.

Rick Smith.

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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Totally agreeing with Rick here, and yet curiously, we are both SMEs.  
Go figure ;)


Alan

On 23/02/2011, at 10:14 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote:

I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask  
about the market for a Light version of their product.


I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that  
such things never thrive.


If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the  
Mac/Unix versions?


Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the  
competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work,  
and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing,  
especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such  
things by hand.


And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a  
printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit  
my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't  
need to buy a copy of Illustrator.


I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.

Rick Smith.


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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
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RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Rick Quatro]

This is something I have been in favor of for at least 10 years. It would be
great to be able to set up read-only templates (both structured and
unstructured) for users, particularly those with fairly simple documents. If
it were inexpensive enough ($99 at the most), it could be used by clients
that need to create, edit, and exchange documents. It wouldn't necessarily
have to be totally WYSIWYG. These documents could then be opened with
FrameMaker and be processed for various outputs. It is a nuisance to go back
and forth from FrameMaker and Word, especially since it is difficult to
enforce standards in Word. Frame Light would be used to enforce standards
during data entry, while FrameMaker could be used as a print engine. This
goes back to a more efficient division of labor where writers and editors
don't need to be concerned as much with look and feel, but with applying the
correct structure to the documents.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

 

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

 

Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

 

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days
ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to
develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and
review
content, but little else.
 
I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with
10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in
Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it
is
collected together.
 
So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text
styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I
can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph
format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.
 
To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you
would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you
currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local
install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to
get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs
currently
use?
 
Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be
output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME
puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand
for
this.  Please let me know.
 
Best regards,
Ant 


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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Tori Muir]

On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their 
Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a 
relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light product. As it presently stands, 
clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive 
edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- 
they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross 
refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame 
to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to 
buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily.


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www.spot-on-creative.com 




Dr Rick Smith wrote:

I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a 
Light version of their product.

I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
never thrive.

If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
versions?

Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, 
like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This 
fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't 
have the patience to fix such things by hand.

And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. 


I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.

Rick Smith.

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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Milan Davidović]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote:
 I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
 market for a Light version of their product.

 I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
 never thrive.

Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop
Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
they do OK.

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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Alan T Litchfield]

On 23/02/2011, at 11:00 AM, Milan Davidović wrote:

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith  
r...@cryptosmith.com wrote:
I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask  
about the market for a Light version of their product.


I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that  
such things never thrive.


Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop
Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
they do OK.



These target a different kind of market. They are consumer, non- 
professionally oriented and has little to do with what FrameMaker  
does. You would be unlikely to see a home-based Elements user opening  
Frame Lite to edit something, for example.


Alan

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RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Flato, Gillian]

It will never happen.

Adobe's solution is for you to give someone an edible PDF and have them comment 
in the PDF in sticky notes or mark the PDF using the advanced text editor 
tools. Then, with Acro 10, you can import their comments and changes into Frame 
and then accept or reject them through track  changes and conditions.



Thank you,


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:21 PM
To: Anthony Davey
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have 
requested it numerous times from Adobe.   This would be one way to bring back 
the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store.  I think a price point 
of $99 or less would be great.   There are too many of our clients that end up 
porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker.   This is due 
to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) 
functions for tracking and editing changes.

I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly 
from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from 
Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp.

Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite...

Brad




On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:


Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant

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RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Fred Ridder]

Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description Photoshop Light than 
Elements is... 
 
 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500
 Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
 From: milan.li...@gmail.com
 To: r...@cryptosmith.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote:
  I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about 
  the market for a Light version of their product.
 
  I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such 
  things never thrive.
 
 Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop
 Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
 they do OK.
 
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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Scott Prentice]

I'd like to see this as well, but also doubt that this would be 
something that Adobe will get behind. You'd think that Adobe's 
web-editor (Buzzword) would export to FM (or MIF), but no. It exports to 
PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, ZIP, TXT, ODT, and EPUB (hmm .. need to check that 
out). C'mon .. MIF is just a simple conversion from RTF!  :)


...scott


Rick Quatro wrote:


One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to 
do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, 
inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would 
work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an 
XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, 
recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you 
very much.


 


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585-659-8267

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*From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Davey

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
*To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* Frame Light, what's the potential market?

 


Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

 

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few 
days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to 
develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create 
and review

content, but little else.
 
I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting 
with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content 
in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff 
once it is

collected together.
 
So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the 
content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few 
text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by 
reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different 
paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by 
full

license holders.
 
To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses 
you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you 
currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local 
install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for 
it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs 
currently

use?
 
Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be 
output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time 
an SME puts

fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be 
demand for

this.  Please let me know.
 
Best regards,
Ant 



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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Mike Wickham]

I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output 
directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign 
or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub 
through RoboHelp.


When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I 
was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
capability, though.


So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now 
that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.


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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:19:35 -0600, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:


 I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output 
 directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign 
 or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub 
 through RoboHelp.

When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I 
was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
capability, though.

So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now 
that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.

For ePub output, consider Calibre, which is free:
  http://calibre-ebook.com/

You can feed it with the HTML output of Mif2Go or ePP.
Maybe even the Frame native HTML, never tried that.
Or perhaps your PDF; it's flexible.
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Steve Johnson]

That is arguable. Elements applications are horrible and not at all
like Photoshop or Premiere. And whatever you think of Elements, Frame
Light would be very different from any of the above.

I love Photoshop, hate Elements (parents use it). It's like a child's
tricycle with a huge engine and no gasoline. Just makes no sense
whatsoever.

2011/2/22 Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com:
 Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description Photoshop Light
 than Elements is...

 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500
 Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
 From: milan.li...@gmail.com
 To: r...@cryptosmith.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com
 wrote:
  I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about
  the market for a Light version of their product.
 
  I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such
  things never thrive.

 Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop
 Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
 they do OK.

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Anthony Davey]

Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant

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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Dr Rick Smith]

I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
market for a "Light" version of their product.

I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
never thrive.

If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
versions?

Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, 
like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This 
fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't 
have the patience to fix such things by hand.

And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a 
printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, 
if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of 
Illustrator. 

I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.

Rick Smith.

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Rick Quatro]

This is something I have been in favor of for at least 10 years. It would be
great to be able to set up "read-only" templates (both structured and
unstructured) for users, particularly those with fairly simple documents. If
it were inexpensive enough ($99 at the most), it could be used by clients
that need to create, edit, and exchange documents. It wouldn't necessarily
have to be totally WYSIWYG. These documents could then be opened with
FrameMaker and be processed for various outputs. It is a nuisance to go back
and forth from FrameMaker and Word, especially since it is difficult to
enforce standards in Word. Frame Light would be used to enforce standards
during data entry, while FrameMaker could be used as a print engine. This
goes back to a more efficient division of labor where writers and editors
don't need to be concerned as much with look and feel, but with applying the
correct structure to the documents.



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

rick at frameexpert.com



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market?



Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...



I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days
ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to
develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and
review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with
10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in
Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it
is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text
styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I
can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph
format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you
would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you
currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local
install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to
get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs
currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be
output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME
puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand
for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant 


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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Rick Quatro]

One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to do this
anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, inexpensive editor,
either in a browser or stand-alone, that would work with a schema to enforce
standards. I suppose I am thinking of an XML editor, so maybe this already
exists. Any suggestions, recommendations, or further discussion, would be
welcome. Thank you very much.



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

rick at frameexpert.com



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market?



Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...



I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days
ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to
develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and
review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with
10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in
Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it
is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text
styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I
can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph
format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you
would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you
currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local
install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to
get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs
currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be
output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME
puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand
for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant 


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[Tori Muir]

On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their 
Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a 
relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light" product. As it presently stands, 
clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive 
edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- 
they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross 
refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame 
to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to 
buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily.

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com 



Dr Rick Smith wrote:
> I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
> market for a "Light" version of their product.
>
> I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
> never thrive.
>
> If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
> versions?
>
> Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the 
> competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work 
> reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those 
> of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand.
>
> And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a 
> printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my 
> simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy 
> a copy of Illustrator. 
>
> I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.
>
> Rick Smith.
>
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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Brad Anderson]

I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have 
requested it numerous times from Adobe.   This would be one way to bring back 
the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store.  I think a price point 
of $99 or less would be great.   There are too many of our clients that end up 
porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker.   This is due 
to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) 
functions for tracking and editing changes.

I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly 
from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from 
Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp.

Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite...

Brad




On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:

> Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...
>  
> I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago 
> at
> the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to 
> develop a
> business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and 
> review
> content, but little else.
>  
> I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
> at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in 
> Word.
> Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it 
> is
> collected together.
>  
> So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
> unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
> provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text 
> styles
> (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
> get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph 
> format
> names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
> license holders.
>  
> To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
> functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
> (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you 
> currently
> have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local 
> install,
> web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to 
> get
> it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
> use?
>  
> Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
> with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME 
> puts
> fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
> organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
> this.  Please let me know.
>  
> Best regards,
> Ant 

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[Milan Davidović]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith  wrote:
> I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
> market for a "Light" version of their product.
>
> I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
> never thrive.

Do you consider Adobe's "Elements" versions as "light" (e.g. Photoshop
Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
they do OK.

-- 
Milan Davidovi?
http://twitter.com/altmilan
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Flato, Gillian]

It will never happen.

Adobe's solution is for you to give someone an edible PDF and have them comment 
in the PDF in sticky notes or mark the PDF using the advanced text editor 
tools. Then, with Acro 10, you can import their comments and changes into Frame 
and then accept or reject them through track  changes and conditions.



Thank you,


Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
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Milpitas, CA. 95035
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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:21 PM
To: Anthony Davey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have 
requested it numerous times from Adobe.   This would be one way to bring back 
the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store.  I think a price point 
of $99 or less would be great.   There are too many of our clients that end up 
porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker.   This is due 
to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) 
functions for tracking and editing changes.

I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly 
from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from 
Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp.

Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite...

Brad




On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:


Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...

I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.  I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant

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[Fred Ridder]

Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description "Photoshop Light" than 
Elements is... 

> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
> From: milan.lists at gmail.com
> To: rick at cryptosmith.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith  
> wrote:
> > I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about 
> > the market for a "Light" version of their product.
> >
> > I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such 
> > things never thrive.
> 
> Do you consider Adobe's "Elements" versions as "light" (e.g. Photoshop
> Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that
> they do OK.
> 
> -- 
> Milan Davidovi?
> http://twitter.com/altmilan
> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
> http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic
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[Scott Prentice]

I'd like to see this as well, but also doubt that this would be 
something that Adobe will get behind. You'd think that Adobe's 
web-editor (Buzzword) would export to FM (or MIF), but no. It exports to 
PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, ZIP, TXT, ODT, and EPUB (hmm .. need to check that 
out). C'mon .. MIF is just a simple conversion from RTF!  :)

...scott


Rick Quatro wrote:
>
> One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to 
> do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, 
> inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would 
> work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an 
> XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, 
> recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you 
> very much.
>
>  
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-659-8267
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
>  
>
> *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Davey
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Frame Light, what's the potential market?
>
>  
>
> Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...
>
>  
>
> I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few 
> days ago at
> the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to 
> develop a
> business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create 
> and review
> content, but little else.
>  
> I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting 
> with 10
> at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content 
> in Word.
> Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff 
> once it is
> collected together.
>  
> So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or
> unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the 
> content
> provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few 
> text styles
> (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by 
> reference.  I can
> get around a need to define conditional text by using different 
> paragraph format
> names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by 
> full
> license holders.
>  
> To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
> functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses 
> you would
> (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you 
> currently
> have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local 
> install,
> web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for 
> it to get
> it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs 
> currently
> use?
>  
> Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be 
> output
> with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time 
> an SME puts
> fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my
> organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be 
> demand for
> this.  Please let me know.
>  
> Best regards,
> Ant 
>
>
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Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Mike Wickham]

> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output 
> directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign 
> or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub 
> through RoboHelp.
>
When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I 
was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
capability, though.

So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now 
that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.

Mike Wickham

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:19:35 -0600, Mike Wickham  
wrote:

>
>> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output 
>> directly from FrameMaker.  I can output an ePub straight from InDesign 
>> or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub 
>> through RoboHelp.
>>
>When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I 
>was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar 
>and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The 
>logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into 
>RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create 
>print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in 
>RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's 
>no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that 
>capability, though.
>
>So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now 
>that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a 
>reasonably priced script that would do the conversion.

For ePub output, consider Calibre, which is free:
  http://calibre-ebook.com/

You can feed it with the HTML output of Mif2Go or ePP.
Maybe even the Frame native HTML, never tried that.
Or perhaps your PDF; it's flexible.
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

[Fei Min Lorente]

Hi Anthony:



What encouraging news! I asked Adobe for a "FrameMaker Light" back in
2005 or so. I entered the suggestion on their website, as well as
emailed it to one of the guys in charge of FrameMaker 8, but I hadn't
heard anything since.



We currently have seven licenses of FrameMaker 7.2. I'm the lone writer,
so if there were a light version, we could switch to one full version
and six light ones. But with a reduced cost and an easier interface, I
think we could expand that to twenty. Even now, we're on the verge of
buying more licenses (and moving to FrameMaker 10) because it's kind of
popular with the SMEs around here.



I'm using structured except for the legacy stuff, so I would want the
Light version to let users set attribute values as well as use the list
of elements. They also have to be able to import XML files into
FrameMaker.



Yes, we use shared text right now, but I tend to manage it. I could see
the SMEs getting involved in making changes to it, though, so that would
be a good feature to include in the Light version.



Of course, they have to be able to create tables and cross-references.
They don't do this often, but they should be able to change variable
values, too. And updating the book is essential.



We'd like to see the price down around $200 for individual licenses, or
an appropriate deal on a site license. Floating licenses wouldn't be
good because we have lots of SMEs who travel and couldn't be connected
to the network. Please don't go to a dongle (sad story there).



Sarah O'Keefe had a good idea back when I was asking for FrameMaker
Light, and that was to make a FrameMaker XML editor version, but of
course that would only apply to structured users.



I just read Alan's response and I realize that FrameMaker Light isn't
needed by everyone, but for some of us, it would be perfect.



Fei Min



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market?



Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ...



I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few
days ago at
the London launch event for TCS3.  It seems there is the motivation to
develop a
business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create
and review
content, but little else.

I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting
with 10
at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content
in Word.
Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff
once it is
collected together.

So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured
or
unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the
content
provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text
styles
(emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference.
I can
get around a need to define conditional text by using different
paragraph format
names.  All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by
full
license holders.

To support the development of a business case can you post what (other)
functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you
would
(ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you
currently
have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local
install,
web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for
it to get
it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs
currently
use?

Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be
output
with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an
SME puts
fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in
my
organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be
demand for
this.  Please let me know.

Best regards,
Ant 


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