RE: Adobe update number vs patch number
That's good to know, Shlomo. Thank you. As a person involved in the development and support of proprietary software, I find it incredible that the coders use different version numbers than the support team. It's such a simple thing that would eliminate the kind of confusion felt by Jeremy. Perhaps the Adobe reps who monitor this list might reconsider that aspect of the system. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:19 PM To: Jenny Greenleaf Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Adobe update number vs patch number snip 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 Shlomo Perets _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸ º`.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe update number vs patch number
One distinction is that Adobe generally does not actually produce complete new releases of their software products for minor point releases and bug fixes. Rather, they issue patches that are applied to an installed copy of an underlying release version. Their practice has been to only refer to complete release versions by a major.minor.point numbering scheme, while the updaters (or patches) are identified by a p-prefix patch number. This is prefectly logical, since full releases and patches are fundamentally different kinds of software deliverables. Where things get murkier is what you will see in the About... window after you have installed an update or patch. Historically, Adobe has indicated the base release number followed by the patch number. But it appears that they are transitioning away from this in favor of displaying a major.minor.point version number which has to be cross-referenced against the patch number. They also seem to be transitioning their download website to the major.minor.point numbering for new downloads, but I suspect that the executables that one downloads are still named according to the patch number since decimal-delimted version numbers do not work well in filenames. -Fred Ridder From: l...@astoria-pacific.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe update number vs patch number Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:51:33 -0800 That's good to know, Shlomo. Thank you. As a person involved in the development and support of proprietary software, I find it incredible that the coders use different version numbers than the support team. It's such a simple thing that would eliminate the kind of confusion felt by Jeremy. Perhaps the Adobe reps who monitor this list might reconsider that aspect of the system. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:19 PM To: Jenny Greenleaf Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Adobe update number vs patch number snip 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe update number vs patch number
Hi Fred, While it may be perfectly logical, I still maintain that the customer should only need to see one form of versioning in three places: the Help - About screen, the file properties screen and the support website. When you expect the customer to correlate the patch number with the minor release number, you invite them into unnecessary confusion. Support costs also go up since customer service has one more guaranteed question to answer for those confused customers. My two cents' worth, Lea -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:19 AM To: l...@astoria-pacific.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe update number vs patch number One distinction is that Adobe generally does not actually produce complete new releases of their software products for minor point releases and bug fixes. Rather, they issue patches that are applied to an installed copy of an underlying release version. Their practice has been to only refer to complete release versions by a major.minor.point numbering scheme, while the updaters (or patches) are identified by a p-prefix patch number. This is prefectly logical, since full releases and patches are fundamentally different kinds of software deliverables. Where things get murkier is what you will see in the About... window after you have installed an update or patch. Historically, Adobe has indicated the base release number followed by the patch number. But it appears that they are transitioning away from this in favor of displaying a major.minor.point version number which has to be cross-referenced against the patch number. They also seem to be transitioning their download website to the major.minor.point numbering for new downloads, but I suspect that the executables that one downloads are still named according to the patch number since decimal- delimted version numbers do not work well in filenames. -Fred Ridder _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸ º`.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Adobe update number vs patch number
Thank you! That makes perfect sense. Not. Sometimes I wonder how much Adobe cares about FrameMaker. Are they as sloppy with the rest of their products? Jenny On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Shlomo Perets wrote: Jenny, You wrote: Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have reported that it doesn't always. The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. My version is 9.0p250. ... 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/ Assistants . Graphics Video in PDFs 1-hour webinar (free) Tuesday, November 24, 2009, starting 10am PST | 1pm EST | 6pm UTC | 8pm Israel https://student.gototraining.com/4b34y/register/5808052943743757771 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Adobe update number vs patch number
Jenny, You wrote: Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have reported that it doesn't always. The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. My version is 9.0p250. ... 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants . Graphics Video in PDFs 1-hour webinar (free) Tuesday, November 24, 2009, starting 10am PST | 1pm EST | 6pm UTC | 8pm Israel https://student.gototraining.com/4b34y/register/5808052943743757771 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
