RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?
Err... do its due diligence... Dang fumblefingers... From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement? Desktop publishing software of all makes have been using Master Pages far longer than since 2008. That patent would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce. This is a case where the patent office did not sue its due diligence in awarding the patent, IMO. -Dan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement? By chance I came along US patent 7472343http://www.google.co.in/patents/US7472343, Publication date30 Dec 2008. Claim 1 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating data representing a master document for use in an automated document generation system, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up notation or style and data representing a second mark-up notation or style different to the first mark-up notation or style; ... Claim 18 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating a master document for use in an automated document generation system from an existing precedent for use in manual document generation, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up style or notation of existing precedents for use in manual document generation and data representing a second mark-up style or notation of master documents for use in an automated document generation system; ... Well, as a European I have strong problems with the US patent law anyway. But there are more strange things around, which lead to the following statement in the documentation of Citavihttp://www.citavi.com/, a pendant to EndNotehttp://www.endnote.com/. I strongly assume that the patent is held by the EndNote maker (Thomson Reuters (Scientific) LLC). « In Citavi 3 it was possible to insert references into a document using place holders. These place holders were then converted to formatted citations in a second step. At the same time, a bibliography was created. This option worked with all programs that support rich text format (rtf), including OpenOffice Writer, LibreOffice Writer und Scrivener. Recently this place holder conversion process was protected by a patent. As long as this patent is valid, we are unable to offer the option to convert place holders in the United States. What does this mean for you? * When you download and install Citavi 4 in the United States, this feature is not available. * If you download and install Citavi outside the United States, this feature is available. However, it will be deactivated if you are using Citavi in the United States based on your IP address. What implications does this have in Citavi 4? * If you use Citavi with the Add-In for Microsoft Word or with a LaTeX-Editor or if you do not use Citavi to create publications, this restriction will not affect you. * If you want to use Citavi with other word processors, you cannot do so in the United States. » ~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.chmailto:d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.chhttp://www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?
Desktop publishing software of all makes have been using Master Pages far longer than since 2008. That patent would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce. This is a case where the patent office did not sue its due diligence in awarding the patent, IMO. -Dan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement? By chance I came along US patent 7472343http://www.google.co.in/patents/US7472343, Publication date30 Dec 2008. Claim 1 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating data representing a master document for use in an automated document generation system, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up notation or style and data representing a second mark-up notation or style different to the first mark-up notation or style; ... Claim 18 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating a master document for use in an automated document generation system from an existing precedent for use in manual document generation, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up style or notation of existing precedents for use in manual document generation and data representing a second mark-up style or notation of master documents for use in an automated document generation system; ... Well, as a European I have strong problems with the US patent law anyway. But there are more strange things around, which lead to the following statement in the documentation of Citavihttp://www.citavi.com/, a pendant to EndNotehttp://www.endnote.com/. I strongly assume that the patent is held by the EndNote maker (Thomson Reuters (Scientific) LLC). « In Citavi 3 it was possible to insert references into a document using place holders. These place holders were then converted to formatted citations in a second step. At the same time, a bibliography was created. This option worked with all programs that support rich text format (rtf), including OpenOffice Writer, LibreOffice Writer und Scrivener. Recently this place holder conversion process was protected by a patent. As long as this patent is valid, we are unable to offer the option to convert place holders in the United States. What does this mean for you? * When you download and install Citavi 4 in the United States, this feature is not available. * If you download and install Citavi outside the United States, this feature is available. However, it will be deactivated if you are using Citavi in the United States based on your IP address. What implications does this have in Citavi 4? * If you use Citavi with the Add-In for Microsoft Word or with a LaTeX-Editor or if you do not use Citavi to create publications, this restriction will not affect you. * If you want to use Citavi with other word processors, you cannot do so in the United States. » ~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.chmailto:d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.chhttp://www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?
Agreed. This is not a legal opinion, but in my limited expertise, it (the patent) would be likely invalidated due to prior art, based on prior heartbeat. I doubt the patent holder will try to sue for these claims since an invalidation on a few claims would cast doubt on the other claims in the patent as well. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement? Desktop publishing software of all makes have been using Master Pages far longer than since 2008. That patent would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enforce. This is a case where the patent office did not sue its due diligence in awarding the patent, IMO. -Dan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement? By chance I came along US patent 7472343http://www.google.co.in/patents/US7472343, Publication date30 Dec 2008. Claim 1 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating data representing a master document for use in an automated document generation system, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up notation or style and data representing a second mark-up notation or style different to the first mark-up notation or style; ... Claim 18 reads: A computer-implemented method of generating a master document for use in an automated document generation system from an existing precedent for use in manual document generation, the master document including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, comprising: storing data representing a first mark-up style or notation of existing precedents for use in manual document generation and data representing a second mark-up style or notation of master documents for use in an automated document generation system; ... Well, as a European I have strong problems with the US patent law anyway. But there are more strange things around, which lead to the following statement in the documentation of Citavihttp://www.citavi.com/, a pendant to EndNotehttp://www.endnote.com/. I strongly assume that the patent is held by the EndNote maker (Thomson Reuters (Scientific) LLC). « In Citavi 3 it was possible to insert references into a document using place holders. These place holders were then converted to formatted citations in a second step. At the same time, a bibliography was created. This option worked with all programs that support rich text format (rtf), including OpenOffice Writer, LibreOffice Writer und Scrivener. Recently this place holder conversion process was protected by a patent. As long as this patent is valid, we are unable to offer the option to convert place holders in the United States. What does this mean for you? * When you download and install Citavi 4 in the United States, this feature is not available. * If you download and install Citavi outside the United States, this feature is available. However, it will be deactivated if you are using Citavi in the United States based on your IP address. What implications does this have in Citavi 4? * If you use Citavi with the Add-In for Microsoft Word or with a LaTeX-Editor or if you do not use Citavi to create publications, this restriction will not affect you. * If you want to use Citavi with other word processors, you cannot do so in the United States. » ~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.chmailto:d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.chhttp://www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?
At 03:15 a.m. 19/03/2015, Harding, Dan wrote: Dang fumblefingers Careful, I have a patent application on that. ;-) Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
