FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote: >And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple >to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all >files contained in it - just as simply?) Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the File menu that acts on all files in the book. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Fantastic! Thanks, Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:20 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume >I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as >simply?) Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the File menu that acts on all files in the book. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Fantastic! Thanks, Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:20 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote: >And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume >I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as >simply?) Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the File menu that acts on all files in the book. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple >to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all >files contained in it - just as simply?) Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the File menu that acts on all files in the book. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Hi, Jeremy, In the past, I have noted your generosity and appreciate your assistance to people in need! Fortunately (touch wood!), I have not taken advantage of it, since I have stayed employed over the years. And, unfortunately, I cannot justify purchasing the full MIF2GO for my employer, since my need for its capabilities is quite minimal. Someday though ... :) So, yes, a freebie MIF Wash capability makes me quite happy, since I have had to do that manually on occasion to clean misbehaving .FM files. And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as simply?) Regards and thanks again! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :) Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without breaking the links) ... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs. >Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do >indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! You're welcome! ;-) >(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or >freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power >of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that? No. I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales value in the more complete product. The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come to that. Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment. We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees. Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold. Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold. Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our support. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Hi, Jeremy, In the past, I have noted your generosity and appreciate your assistance to people in need! Fortunately (touch wood!), I have not taken advantage of it, since I have stayed employed over the years. And, unfortunately, I cannot justify purchasing the full MIF2GO for my employer, since my need for its capabilities is quite minimal. Someday though ... :) So, yes, a freebie MIF Wash capability makes me quite happy, since I have had to do that manually on occasion to clean misbehaving .FM files. And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all files contained in it - just as simply?) Regards and thanks again! Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:57 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote: >Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :) Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without breaking the links) ... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs. >Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do >indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! You're welcome! ;-) >(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or >freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power >of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that? No. I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales value in the more complete product. The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come to that. Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment. We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees. Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold. Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold. Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our support. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote: >Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky >the text a bit? :) Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without breaking the links)... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs. >Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are >willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! You're welcome! ;-) >(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered >a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us >who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the >justification for buying that? No. I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales value in the more complete product. The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come to that. Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment. We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees. Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold. Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold. Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our support. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky >the text a bit? :) Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without breaking the links)... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs. >Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are >willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! You're welcome! ;-) >(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered >a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us >who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the >justification for buying that? No. I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales value in the more complete product. The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come to that. Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment. We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees. Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold. Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold. Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our support. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder wrote: >FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a >file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion >for all files in a book at the same time, you should >look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many >other things besides this particular conversion. Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF, works just fine in the demo version (as do several other helpful utilities). No need to purchase Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Hi, Jeremy. Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :) Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! (ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that? Thanks! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:02 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote: >FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file >basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the >same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many >other things besides this particular conversion. Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF, works just fine in the demo version (as do several other helpful utilities). No need to purchase Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. mailto:jer...@omsys.com>> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Hi, Jeremy. Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky the text a bit? :) Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! (ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the justification for buying that? Thanks! Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:02 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com>> wrote: >FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file >basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the >same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many >other things besides this particular conversion. Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF, works just fine in the demo version (as do several other helpful utilities). No need to purchase Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. mailto:jeremy at omsys.com>> http://www.omsys.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110301/86c9edd7/attachment.html>
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Oops, forgot to delete the digest content myself. Sorry about that! -FR From: docu...@hotmail.com To: venkatesh.s at newgenimaging.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500 FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides this particular conversion. And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to framers at lists.framers.com rather than using the reply function. -Fred Ridder -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110301/fe80a510/attachment.html>
FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides this particular conversion. And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to framers at lists.framers.com rather than using the reply function. -Fred Ridder > From: venkatesh.s at newgenimaging.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:30:31 +0530 > > Dear Sir, > > Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? > > Venkan > Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited > > India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai > (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 > > Email: venkatesh.s at newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20 > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > framers-request at lists.frameusers.com > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 > > Send framers mailing list submissions to > framers at lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > framers-request at lists.frameusers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: Translation cost comparison (beth.tripp at verizon.net) > 2. RE: OT: Translation cost comparison (Alison Craig) > 3. RE: Translation cost comparison (Bill Nilson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) > From: beth.tripp at verizon.net > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison > Message-ID: <47258.182772.1298580744046.JavaMail.root at vznit170130> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the > document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of > that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time > for cleaning up the formatting. > > I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut > the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to > DITA. > > Just my .02, > > Beth > > > > > > *** > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800 > From: Alison Craig > To: "beth.tripp at verizon.net" , > "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison > Message-ID: > <17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30ACD9A07AE at exchange.ultrasonix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out > by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under > different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see > what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are). > > I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified, > medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same > set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word > counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low > of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. > > FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239. > > Alison > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > beth.tripp at verizon.net > Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison > > It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the > document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second
Re FM-MIF-FM conversion [WAS Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24]
On 28/02/2011 1:00 AM, Venkan wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? > > Venkan > Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited > > India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai > (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 Mif2Go (including the free demo version, I believe) has a "wash via MIF" command that will do what you want. www.omsys.com In future, kindly do not quote the entire Digest in your message, as it will be repeated in the next day's Digest; and kindly change the subject line to something that will be meaningful when others receive your message or later search the archives. Thank you. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500, Fred Ridder wrote: >FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a >file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion >for all files in a book at the same time, you should >look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many >other things besides this particular conversion. Note that this function in Mif2Go, File > Wash via MIF, works just fine in the demo version (as do several other helpful utilities). No need to purchase Mif2Go for this use case, just download and run the free demo version: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re FM-MIF-FM conversion [WAS Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24]
On 28/02/2011 1:00 AM, Venkan wrote: Dear Sir, Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? Venkan Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 Mif2Go (including the free demo version, I believe) has a "wash via MIF" command that will do what you want. www.omsys.com In future, kindly do not quote the entire Digest in your message, as it will be repeated in the next day's Digest; and kindly change the subject line to something that will be meaningful when others receive your message or later search the archives. Thank you. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
Oops, forgot to delete the digest content myself. Sorry about that! -FR From: docu...@hotmail.com To: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:46:17 -0500 FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides this particular conversion. And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to fram...@lists.framers.com rather than using the reply function. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
FrameMaker itself does both of these conversions on a file-by-file basis. If you need to do the conversion for all files in a book at the same time, you should look at Mif2Go from Omni Systems, which does many other things besides this particular conversion. And as a matter of etiquette, in the future it would be good if you change the digest subject line to someting that relates to your query, and that you delete the digest from the bottom of your posting. In reality, it's probably easier for you to simply compose a brand-new message and send it to fram...@lists.framers.com rather than using the reply function. -Fred Ridder > From: venkates...@newgenimaging.com > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:30:31 +0530 > > Dear Sir, > > Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? > > Venkan > Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited > > India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai > (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 > > Email: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20 > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 > > Send framers mailing list submissions to > framers@lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: Translation cost comparison (beth.tr...@verizon.net) > 2. RE: OT: Translation cost comparison (Alison Craig) > 3. RE: Translation cost comparison (Bill Nilson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) > From: beth.tr...@verizon.net > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison > Message-ID: <47258.182772.1298580744046.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the > document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of > that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time > for cleaning up the formatting. > > I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut > the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to > DITA. > > Just my .02, > > Beth > > > > > > *** > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800 > From: Alison Craig > To: "beth.tr...@verizon.net" , > "framers@lists.frameusers.com" > Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison > Message-ID: > <17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30acd9a0...@exchange.ultrasonix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out > by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under > different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see > what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are). > > I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified, > medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same > set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word > counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low > of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. > > FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239. > > Alison > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > beth.tr...@verizon.net > Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison > > It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the > document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of > that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip t
RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24
Yes FM can do all this - save as MIF, open MIF and save as FM binary -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Venkan Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:01 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 Dear Sir, Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? Venkan Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 Email: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 Send framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Translation cost comparison (beth.tr...@verizon.net) 2. RE: OT: Translation cost comparison (Alison Craig) 3. RE: Translation cost comparison (Bill Nilson) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) From: beth.tr...@verizon.net To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <47258.182772.1298580744046.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time for cleaning up the formatting. I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to DITA. Just my .02, Beth *** -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800 From: Alison Craig To: "beth.tr...@verizon.net" , "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30acd9a0...@exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are). I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified, medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239. Alison -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of beth.tr...@verizon.net Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time for cleaning up the formatting. I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to DITA. Just my .02, Beth *** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasoni x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Nilson To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <276751.74066...@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cont
RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24
Dear Sir, Is there any conversion tool for converting FM to MIF and MIF to FM? Venkan Newgen Knowledge Works (P) Limited India - Tamil Nadu - Chennai (o) +914424495057 | (m) +919791040282 Email: venkates...@newgenimaging.com; Skype: venkan20 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 11:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24 Send framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Translation cost comparison (beth.tr...@verizon.net) 2. RE: OT: Translation cost comparison (Alison Craig) 3. RE: Translation cost comparison (Bill Nilson) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:24 -0600 (CST) From: beth.tr...@verizon.net To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <47258.182772.1298580744046.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time for cleaning up the formatting. I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to DITA. Just my .02, Beth *** -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0800 From: Alison Craig To: "beth.tr...@verizon.net" , "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: RE: OT: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30acd9a0...@exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, in my case, I was only talking about word cost. This was borne out by the detailed quotes I received. Other fees were accounted for under different line items (any reputable LSP should do it this way so you can see what is involved in a job and what the associated costs are). I also did a large RFQ about 15 months ago with 11 different ISO qualified, medical device LSPs and even though they were all given *exactly* the same set of directions, the same TM and the same FM-based file set, the word counts were all over the place. Counts for New Words alone ranged from a low of 27,863 to a high of 36,305. That kind of discrepancy adds up quickly. FYI: The MS Word equivalent number was 28,239. Alison -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of beth.tr...@verizon.net Sent: February 24, 2011 12:52 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Translation cost comparison It is not the word count but the amount of time to "round trip" the document, engineering costs from Frame to xml and back. The second part of that is the DTP. Frame does a cleaner round-trip than word so less DTP time for cleaning up the formatting. I hope that helps. We translate into 29 languages where I work and we cut the cost by about 30 to 50% using Frame and that was before we switched to DITA. Just my .02, Beth *** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasoni x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Nilson To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Translation cost comparison Message-ID: <276751.74066...@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some translation houses charge extra for delivery in an additional output format besides the translated Frame files. Some years ago I had an estimate that included an extra 1K for a PDF manual but decided to create the PDF myself. In my case, it was for Japanese. If you're resourceful and it's convenient, you can install the appropriate version of Frame for your target language,
