Re: [Framers] Lines
On 8 Jun 2020 at 17:13, Fred Ridder wrote: > If Frame handles lines like most other tools do, the line object you draw has > 0 > width. Then when you add width to the line, 1/2 of that width gets added to > all > "sides" of the line, including the ends. In other words, the line takes on an > "end cap" that is as thick as 1/2 of the line width you've specified. Yes, Frame handles objects the same way. The dimension property is that of the 'skeleton'. That's the reason why tables with thick ruling do not 'align' as expected. See https://www.daube.ch/docu/files/compendium.pdf#page=132 top paragraph. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Lines
You're missing the InDesign property that aligns a stroke's weight from its center, or inside/outside, if it is a shape's border. Probably other graphic applications have the same abilities. Keep in mind that FM evolved around the time when the use of thin lead strips to separate lines of metal type was becoming historic. Consider your discovery like a fossil record. On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 12:06 PM Doug wrote: > I just noticed something annoying. > > Draw a line using the Line tool. Set it to one point in height, and the > top to something arbitrary, say 50. Now zoom in close and set the height > to 10 points. Notice that the line height expands both up and down. > > That's annoying. I would expect the height to expand down, not both up and > down. > > Why? Because now that the line is 10 points in height, the top of the line > is no longer at 50 pts. It's at 45 points. And the implication is that > even a 1 point high line set at 50 actually set to 49.5 and not really 50. > > This makes using the Top field to set the line's position much less > reliable. > > Is there something I'm missing? It doesn't make sense that one field's > value would make the value of other fields inaccurate. > > --Doug > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Lines
---> I made an error in the previous post; below is the corrected version: <--- 1. Draw a line using the Line tool. Set it to 0 points in Height, and the Width and Top to something arbitrary, say 50 each. 2. Now zoom in close and set the Stroke > Line Width to 10 points. Notice that the line width expands both up and down. That's annoying. I would expect the stroke width to expand down, not both up and down. Why? Because now that the line is 10 points in stroke width, the top of the line is no longer at 50 pts. It's at 45 points. And the implication is that even a 1 point wide stroke width line set at 50 Top actually set to 49.5 and not really 50. This makes using the Top field to set the line's position on the page much less reliable. Is there something I'm missing? It doesn't make sense that one field's value would make the value of other fields inaccurate. --Doug On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:06 PM Doug wrote: > I just noticed something annoying. > > Draw a line using the Line tool. Set it to one point in height, and the > top to something arbitrary, say 50. Now zoom in close and set the height > to 10 points. Notice that the line height expands both up and down. > > That's annoying. I would expect the height to expand down, not both up > and down. > > Why? Because now that the line is 10 points in height, the top of the > line is no longer at 50 pts. It's at 45 points. And the implication is > that even a 1 point high line set at 50 actually set to 49.5 and not really > 50. > > This makes using the Top field to set the line's position much less > reliable. > > Is there something I'm missing? It doesn't make sense that one field's > value would make the value of other fields inaccurate. > > --Doug > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Lines
If Frame handles lines like most other tools do, the line object you draw has 0 width. Then when you add width to the line, 1/2 of that width gets added to all "sides" of the line, including the ends. In other words, the line takes on an "end cap" that is as thick as 1/2 of the line width you've specified. Some tools let you specify the shape of the end cap (e.g., square, miter, rounded), or to specify no cap. But when there is a cap, it always adds to the length of the underlying line object. -FR From: Framers on behalf of Doug Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 1:06 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Lines I just noticed something annoying. Draw a line using the Line tool. Set it to one point in height, and the top to something arbitrary, say 50. Now zoom in close and set the height to 10 points. Notice that the line height expands both up and down. That's annoying. I would expect the height to expand down, not both up and down. Why? Because now that the line is 10 points in height, the top of the line is no longer at 50 pts. It's at 45 points. And the implication is that even a 1 point high line set at 50 actually set to 49.5 and not really 50. This makes using the Top field to set the line's position much less reliable. Is there something I'm missing? It doesn't make sense that one field's value would make the value of other fields inaccurate. --Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C50be1c54bb47439c113008d80bce4a77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637272327919648545sdata=gzA1Qak%2Bvf%2B4t2cjs%2BhIGgWY%2B1danH5k3bcz9ZfR8fs%3Dreserved=0 Archives located at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C50be1c54bb47439c113008d80bce4a77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637272327919648545sdata=jvgSea26NB4dc73RnUuBJpeqlfIcbQbgiFp%2FKIvBm1s%3Dreserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C50be1c54bb47439c113008d80bce4a77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637272327919648545sdata=DIyDpK3OYYTPDnVoEO11hMhCyJCvyymuikblnPmaDTs%3Dreserved=0 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Lines
I just noticed something annoying. Draw a line using the Line tool. Set it to one point in height, and the top to something arbitrary, say 50. Now zoom in close and set the height to 10 points. Notice that the line height expands both up and down. That's annoying. I would expect the height to expand down, not both up and down. Why? Because now that the line is 10 points in height, the top of the line is no longer at 50 pts. It's at 45 points. And the implication is that even a 1 point high line set at 50 actually set to 49.5 and not really 50. This makes using the Top field to set the line's position much less reliable. Is there something I'm missing? It doesn't make sense that one field's value would make the value of other fields inaccurate. --Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
