RE: Cross-reference to a previous file
Why can't you use this technique: As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another blank file or in your main template) to apply major Variables and the part-level blank file to apply minor variables afterwards. Kind of manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. So you'd apply the minor Variable format--essentially a single Variable which is embedded in the Running H/F--to each part, after you handle whatever is done book-wide with the major Variables (in your template or another stripped blank). ...Or this one, if you're on FM9: [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the Chapter values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and then Section would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the book-in-book.] David ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross-reference to a previous file
Why can't you use this technique: > As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use > MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of > those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the > H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another > blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the > part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of > manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. So you'd apply the "minor" Variable format--essentially a single Variable which is embedded in the Running H/F--to each part, after you handle whatever is done book-wide with the "major" Variables (in your template or another stripped blank). ...Or this one, if you're on FM9: > [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as > books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties > (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter" > values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and > then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the > book-in-book.] David
Re: Cross-reference to a previous file
Thanks to David, Lin, and Robert for replies to my question about picking up a paratext from a previous file in a book and displaying it in a running header/footer. It appears that FM will not do this. To David: No, I can't use the Volume building block because it is already in use. To Robert: I can't incorporate my divider page into the beginning of a chapter because I am generating output from a ditamap. To Lin: Thanks for the suggestion of using a crossref. I could do this, but it would need to be replaced each time I generate the output from a ditamap. That's just because of the way it works (using one template for all chapters in the book). So I will have to do without it. Thanks for your help. You have at least saved me from trying to get it to work when it won't. Roger On 12/12/2012 9:11 AM, David Artman wrote: |From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm | |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that |way, too). Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into links, that would work fine. Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used that building block for other purposes? As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another blank file or in your main template) to apply major Variables and the part-level blank file to apply minor variables afterwards. Kind of manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the Chapter values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and then Section would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the book-in-book.] HTH; David ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross-reference to a previous file
Thanks to David, Lin, and Robert for replies to my question about picking up a paratext from a previous file in a book and displaying it in a running header/footer. It appears that FM will not do this. To David: No, I can't use the Volume building block because it is already in use. To Robert: I can't incorporate my "divider" page into the beginning of a chapter because I am generating output from a ditamap. To Lin: Thanks for the suggestion of using a crossref. I could do this, but it would need to be replaced each time I generate the output from a ditamap. That's just because of the way it works (using one template for all chapters in the book). So I will have to do without it. Thanks for your help. You have at least saved me from trying to get it to work when it won't. Roger On 12/12/2012 9:11 AM, David Artman wrote: > |From: Lin Sims > |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm > | > |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by > |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that > |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it > |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that > |way, too). > > Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that > one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option > checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into > links, that would work fine. > > Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) > and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used > that building block for other purposes? > > As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use > MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of > those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the > H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another > blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the > part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of > manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. > > [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as > books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties > (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter" > values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and > then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the > book-in-book.] > > HTH; > David
Re: Cross-reference to a previous file
It does, actually, but since we make sure that the text is black, it doesn't LOOK like it's clickable. People are so accustomed to links being blue and/or underlined that they never think to hover over text that looks like all the other text. Social engineering at its finest. ;-) -- Lin Sims On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:11 AM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote: |From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm | |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that |way, too). Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into links, that would work fine. Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used that building block for other purposes? As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another blank file or in your main template) to apply major Variables and the part-level blank file to apply minor variables afterwards. Kind of manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the Chapter values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and then Section would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the book-in-book.] HTH; David ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference to a previous file
Another way to work around that is to consolidate everything into a single file. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote: Current file only, unless that's changed with FM11 (and I doubt it). Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that way, too). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cross-reference to a previous file
|From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm | |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that |way, too). Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into links, that would work fine. Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used that building block for other purposes? As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another blank file or in your main template) to apply major Variables and the part-level blank file to apply minor variables afterwards. Kind of manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the Chapter values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and then Section would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the book-in-book.] HTH; David ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross-reference to a previous file
It does, actually, but since we make sure that the text is black, it doesn't LOOK like it's clickable. People are so accustomed to links being blue and/or underlined that they never think to hover over text that looks like all the other text. Social engineering at its finest. ;-) -- Lin Sims On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:11 AM, David Artman wrote: > |From: Lin Sims > |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm > | > |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by > |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that > |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it > |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that > |way, too). > > Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that > one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option > checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into > links, that would work fine. > > Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) > and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used > that building block for other purposes? > > As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use > MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of > those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the > H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another > blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the > part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of > manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. > > [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as > books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties > (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter" > values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and > then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the > book-in-book.] > > HTH; > David
Cross-reference to a previous file
|From: Lin Sims |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm | |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that |way, too). Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into links, that would work fine. Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s) and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used that building block for other purposes? As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of manual, but not nearly so much as other methods. [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter" values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the book-in-book.] HTH; David
Cross-reference to a previous file
Hello All FM11.0.1.382 on Windows Vista. I have a FM book that is divided into parts, with divider files that indicate where a part begins. After the divider file comes the first chapter in that part. I want to insert a running header/footer to catch the title from the divider file and put it in the following chapter files' headers. So for example: book part 1: Inventory chapter 1: Setting up inventory In the header for chapter 1 I want to pick up the word Inventory from my divider file. I understand that, using $paratext[paratag] in the running H/f I can define the paratag to use, and FrameMaker searches backwards until it comes across a matching paragraph. But does it search preceding files, or just the current file? (Because in my testing it only seems to find things in the current file.) Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference to a previous file
Current file only, unless that's changed with FM11 (and I doubt it). Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that way, too). On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Roger Shuttleworth shutti...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All FM11.0.1.382 on Windows Vista. I have a FM book that is divided into parts, with divider files that indicate where a part begins. After the divider file comes the first chapter in that part. I want to insert a running header/footer to catch the title from the divider file and put it in the following chapter files' headers. So for example: book part 1: Inventory chapter 1: Setting up inventory In the header for chapter 1 I want to pick up the word Inventory from my divider file. I understand that, using $paratext[paratag] in the running H/f I can define the paratag to use, and FrameMaker searches backwards until it comes across a matching paragraph. But does it search preceding files, or just the current file? (Because in my testing it only seems to find things in the current file.) Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross-reference to a previous file
Hello All FM11.0.1.382 on Windows Vista. I have a FM book that is divided into parts, with divider files that indicate where a part begins. After the divider file comes the first chapter in that part. I want to insert a running header/footer to catch the title from the divider file and put it in the following chapter files' headers. So for example: book part 1: Inventory chapter 1: Setting up inventory In the header for chapter 1 I want to pick up the word "Inventory" from my divider file. I understand that, using <$paratext[paratag]> in the running H/f I can define the paratag to use, and FrameMaker searches backwards until it comes across a matching paragraph. But does it search preceding files, or just the current file? (Because in my testing it only seems to find things in the current file.) Thanks. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada
Cross-reference to a previous file
Current file only, unless that's changed with FM11 (and I doubt it). Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that way, too). On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: > Hello All > > FM11.0.1.382 on Windows Vista. > > I have a FM book that is divided into parts, with divider files that > indicate where a part begins. After the divider file comes the first chapter > in that part. I want to insert a running header/footer to catch the title > from the divider file and put it in the following chapter files' headers. So > for example: > book > part 1: Inventory > chapter 1: Setting up inventory > > In the header for chapter 1 I want to pick up the word "Inventory" from my > divider file. > > I understand that, using <$paratext[paratag]> in the running H/f I can > define the paratag to use, and FrameMaker searches backwards until it comes > across a matching paragraph. But does it search preceding files, or just the > current file? (Because in my testing it only seems to find things in the > current file.) > > Thanks. > > Roger Shuttleworth > London, Canada > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims.ML at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims
Cross-reference to a previous file
Another way to work around that is to consolidate everything into a single file. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Current file only, unless that's changed with FM11 (and I doubt it). > > Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by > using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that > you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it > beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that > way, too).
