MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Shlomo Perets]

Paul,

You wrote:

>>The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd
>>edition, is this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com.
>>Authored with FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link
>>(which happens to be a bad link), see
>>http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html
>
>You certainly have a point there, Shlomo, but the PDF version is a
>godsend to Mac and UNIX users. In fact, I'm out of the office traveling
>in Japan right now and was able to look something up about check boxes
>thanks to the PDF.
>
>Personally, I've always preferred Apple's Publications Style Guide but
>follow the MS way if I believe the consistency will help users.
>
>Apple updated its guide in January.
>APStyleGuide/AppleStyleGuide2006.pdf>
>
>Incidentally, my mate Bruce insists that "Microsoft Manual of Style" is
>an oxymoron ;-)

I don't have a problem with using a cross-platform PDF as opposed to a 
Windows-specific CHM (available previously for the Microsoft Manual of 
Style).  And I definitely prefer having a "zero-links PDF" than not having 
one at all.

I strongly disagree with the approach that effectively says "we'll just 
save the manual as PDF and thus we'll have an e-book ready for shipping... 
linking is nice to have, but perhaps in a future version".

I had a brief look in the updated Apple style guide. From the linking point 
of view, it is in the same class as the Microsoft guide. What could be more 
basic in such an "e-book" reference than to have the entries following 
"See" and "See slso" properly linked to the target (rather than force you 
to locate that target yourself)?

Unfortunately, the "standard" set by the PDFs offered from many major 
companies [Adobe included; several entries in the Hmmm corner point to 
several PDFs provided with FM/Acrobat products] propagates in all 
directions: "if this is good enough for <>, then why couldn't it be 
good enough for us"?


Shlomo Perets

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Re: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Paul Findon]

On 31 Mar 2006, at 00:59, Shlomo Perets wrote:

The PDF e-book that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd  
edition, is this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com.  
Authored with FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link  
(which happens to be a bad link), see  
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html


You certainly have a point there, Shlomo, but the PDF version is a  
godsend to Mac and UNIX users. In fact, I'm out of the office traveling  
in Japan right now and was able to look something up about check boxes  
thanks to the PDF.


Personally, I've always preferred Apple's Publications Style Guide but  
follow the MS way if I believe the consistency will help users.


Apple updated its guide in January.
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/ 
APStyleGuide/AppleStyleGuide2006.pdf


Incidentally, my mate Bruce insists that Microsoft Manual of Style is  
an oxymoron ;-)


Paul

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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Paul Findon]

On 31 Mar 2006, at 00:59, Shlomo Perets wrote:

> The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd  
> edition, is this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com.  
> Authored with FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link  
> (which happens to be a bad link), see  
> http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

You certainly have a point there, Shlomo, but the PDF version is a  
godsend to Mac and UNIX users. In fact, I'm out of the office traveling  
in Japan right now and was able to look something up about check boxes  
thanks to the PDF.

Personally, I've always preferred Apple's Publications Style Guide but  
follow the MS way if I believe the consistency will help users.

Apple updated its guide in January.


Incidentally, my mate Bruce insists that "Microsoft Manual of Style" is  
an oxymoron ;-)

Paul

MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Shlomo Perets]

The PDF e-book that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd edition, is 
this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored with 
FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to be a 
bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html



Shlomo Perets

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Re: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Bill Swallow]

LOL! Well, we can't expect the MS folks to be on the up and up with
Adobe software, now can we. ;-)

On 3/30/06, Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The PDF e-book that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd edition, is
 this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored with
 FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to be a
 bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

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RE: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Gillian Flato]

 
Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers use Frame and not Word.

-Gillian

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LOL! Well, we can't expect the MS folks to be on the up and up with
Adobe software, now can we. ;-)

On 3/30/06, Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The PDF e-book that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd
edition, is
 this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored
with
 FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to
be a
 bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

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Re: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Bill Swallow]

 Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers use Frame and not Word.

Oh, I know. I was just poking fun. ;-)

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RE: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Joe Malin]

Well heck, I hope *so*. Bill Gates is no dummy, and neither is MS.
Question is, what secret stuff do MS tech writers use in Frame that only
*they* have! 


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Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers use Frame and not Word.

-Gillian

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Re: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:56:18 -0800, Gillian Flato 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers 
use Frame and not Word.

And many have a site license for Mif2Go, too...  ;-)
Not our biggest customer (that's Lucent), but in
the top five...

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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Shlomo Perets]

The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd edition, is 
this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored with 
FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to be a 
bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html


Shlomo Perets

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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Bill Swallow]

LOL! Well, we can't expect the MS folks to be on the up and up with
Adobe software, now can we. ;-)

On 3/30/06, Shlomo Perets  wrote:
> The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd edition, is
> this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored with
> FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to be a
> bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

--
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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Gillian Flato]

Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers use Frame and not Word.

-Gillian

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:54 AM
To: Shlomo Perets
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm...
corner

LOL! Well, we can't expect the MS folks to be on the up and up with
Adobe software, now can we. ;-)

On 3/30/06, Shlomo Perets  wrote:
> The PDF "e-book" that comes with Microsoft Manual of Style, 3rd
edition, is
> this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner at microtype.com. Authored
with
> FrameMaker 7.0, this PDF has a total of ... one link (which happens to
be a
> bad link), see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

--
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MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:56 -0800 30/3/06, Gillian Flato wrote:

>Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers use Frame and not Word.

This is a direct, verbatim quote from MS tech support back in the days of Word 
6 on Mac ('95?). I was complaining that anchored graphics flowed off the end of 
one page, but failed to appear on the next one (some special graphics limbo 
lurking between pages, maybe?)

The support guy thought for a bit, then said 'It sounds as if what you're 
trying to do is too complex for Word. Have you thought of using FrameMaker?'.

(Why was I using Word? Because the client demanded that I do. There is no other 
reason.)
-- 
Steve

MS Manual of Style -- this month's guest at the Hmmm... corner

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:56:18 -0800, "Gillian Flato" 
 wrote:

>Actually, I know that the Microsoft Tech Writers 
>use Frame and not Word.

And many have a site license for Mif2Go, too...  ;-)
Not our biggest customer (that's Lucent), but in
the top five...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/