Microsoft XP support

[Paul Findon]

On 28 Apr 2008, at 12:38, Austin Meredith wrote:

> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be  
> discussing?

According to this report, Dell, HP, and Lenovo may continue to offer  
XP under the terms of a "downgrade license."


Adobe discontinued Mac FrameMaker exactly four years ago but we still  
use today, so Microsoft discontinuing XP shouldn't affect existing  
users too much. Anyone looking to buy a copy in the future, however,  
may have to pay over the odds. In fact, eBay speculators are probably  
buying up copies as we speak.

If Microsoft announced that it was no longer going to provide  
activation keys for Windows XP, now that really would cause a  
kerfuffle. Kind of like what's happened with their PlaysForSure music  
service. Ouch! The dangers of DRM...


Paul

Microsoft XP support

[Dan Gallagher]

What irks me the most about vista is the overhead required to run it. Why 
should I be forced to have a dual processor mega-RAM pc? I don't need that 
with XP. I use an old pc for replicating/archiving my digital pictures. 
It's running XP and is only a 500mhz PIII with 768mb of RAM and it works 
very well. Forget using that pc with vista! I imagine it would crawl.

It's my understanding that the vista overhead is required due to the 
encryption in between system components. To me that's nonsense. I'm not 
going to steal copyrighted material and shouldn't be penalized because 
some do.

Cheers,
Dan--Ft. Lauderdale

Microsoft XP support

[Whites]

Yes -
Guilty until proven innocent.

Will White

On Apr 29, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Dan Gallagher wrote:

> What irks me the most about vista is the overhead required to run  
> it. Why
> should I be forced to have a dual processor mega-RAM pc? I don't  
> need that
> with XP. I use an old pc for replicating/archiving my digital  
> pictures.
> It's running XP and is only a 500mhz PIII with 768mb of RAM and it  
> works
> very well. Forget using that pc with vista! I imagine it would crawl.
>
> It's my understanding that the vista overhead is required due to the
> encryption in between system components. To me that's nonsense. I'm  
> not
> going to steal copyrighted material and shouldn't be penalized because
> some do.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan--Ft. Lauderdale
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Microsoft XP support

[Austin Meredith]

According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue 
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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Dan Gallagher]

When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a 
Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista!
Sincerely,
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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Rick Quatro]

I recently bought an Acer laptop with Vista. Because of all the anti-Vista 
press, I was prepared to install XP or a dual boot setup. However, I decided 
to work with Vista first. So far, it has worked just fine with FrameMaker 
7.2, 8.0, and FrameScript 5.1. The key may be RAM; I have 3Gb and it doesn't 
seem sluggish at all.

Your use of NEVER may be based on experience, but if it's based on the 
opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with 
Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are 
going to run FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



 When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a
 Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista!
 Sincerely,
 Dan--Ft. Lauderdale


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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Rick Henkel]

 Your use of NEVER may be based on experience, but if it's based on the
 opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with
 Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are
 going to run FrameMaker.



Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any
more problems than what I've had with XP.

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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Art Campbell]

I think that it's probably only an issue on those purchasing new systems

Microsoft, as most software companies do, has always discontinued
support for non-shipping versions at some point. It doesn't mean that
XP is suddenly going to stop working on July 1.

I probably wouldn't have wanted to migrate production systems to it
before the first of this year, but the personal systems that I have
access to seem to be running fine. Vista is past the early adopter
phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable
enough for production systems.

Art

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RE: Microsoft XP support

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report 
refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it.

As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it.


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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Stuart Rogers]

Austin Meredith wrote:
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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Stuart Rogers]

Austin Meredith wrote:
 According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue 
 its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
 


(Sorry about the previous posting with no content but the quote -- 
that's the first hiccup I've experienced with Thunderbird.)

What MS announced was that by the end of June, computer makers will have 
to stop *selling* Windows XP for all uses other than ultra-low-cost PCs. 
  Mainstream technical support will continue to be available for Windows 
XP through April 2009, and more limited support will continue through 
April 2014.  (That probably means that the constant stream of patches 
for security vulnerabilities will continue till then.)

MS had originally said they would stop selling XP in January, but were 
forced by market pressure to extend that date.

It is already most unusual that MS is still allowing XP to be sold when 
its successor has been on the market for so long.  We all knew that XP 
would disappear when Vista arrived -- we shouldn't expect any more 
difficulties than were experienced when previous OS versions were 
superceded.

best,

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Re: Microsoft XP support

[Greg. Eckrich]

Hi Dan,

Your sentiment is completely understood; however, where will you run  
FrameMaker after your XP breaks?
Is Adobe going to port back to MAC (as though they should have left  
in the first place)?!  or to Linux?  Do you have some inside scoop here?

I presently run frame in XP as a guest O/S on a MacBook Pro.  It  
works.  Even so, it would not, under the scenario you project, offer  
you an answer.  Would appreciate your thoughts.

Best regards,

Gregory Eckrich,
Technical Writer
708-743-6849 cell
708-862-7180
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On 5-Apr - 2008, at 8:23 AM, Dan Gallagher wrote:

 When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a
 Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista!
 Sincerely,
 Dan--Ft. Lauderdale


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Microsoft XP support

[Austin Meredith]

According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue 
its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?

Microsoft XP support

[Rick Quatro]

I recently bought an Acer laptop with Vista. Because of all the anti-Vista 
press, I was prepared to install XP or a dual boot setup. However, I decided 
to work with Vista first. So far, it has worked just fine with FrameMaker 
7.2, 8.0, and FrameScript 5.1. The key may be RAM; I have 3Gb and it doesn't 
seem sluggish at all.

Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the 
opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with 
Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are 
going to run FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



> When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a
> Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista!
> Sincerely,
> Dan--Ft. Lauderdale
>
>
> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
> ___

Microsoft XP support

[Rick Henkel]

> Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the
> opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with
> Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are
> going to run FrameMaker.



Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any
more problems than what I've had with XP.

-- 
Rick Henkel
http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm

Microsoft XP support

[Art Campbell]

I think that it's probably only an issue on those purchasing new systems

Microsoft, as most software companies do, has always discontinued
support for non-shipping versions at some point. It doesn't mean that
XP is suddenly going to stop working on July 1.

I probably wouldn't have wanted to migrate production systems to it
before the first of this year, but the personal systems that I have
access to seem to be running fine. Vista is past the early adopter
phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable
enough for production systems.

Art

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Austin Meredith
 wrote:
> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
>  its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
>
>
>  ___
>
>



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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Microsoft XP support

[Dov Isaacs]

FWIW, I have been running a number of Vista systems, both 32-bit and 64-bit
with nary a problem for a while now. SP1 significantly restores the performance
problems that the original Vista releases had.

The biggest problem with Vista was that Microsoft over-promised and
under-delivered, late! They also pressured software and hardware vendors
for support of Vista features such as XPS that are effectively irrelevant.
And of course, with nothing else to write about, the trade press certainly
were waiting to pounce on the Vista "failure." Corporate IT/IS types were
mad at Microsoft for requiring them to pay for "software assurance"
maintenance agreements over a period of the last number of years being
promised a "free" significant OS upgrade during the time of those pricey
"software assurance" agreements; what they got didn't live up to the billing
and the costs.

I certainly would NOT recommend that anyone running of an existing XP
system "upgrade" the operating system to Vista. It buys nothing significant.
For a new system with multiple core processor(s) and significant memory,
Vista is not a bad idea.

I remember that in 1990 when Microsoft released Windows 3.0, there were
those screaming about how they would NEVER migrate beyond Windows 2.1 ...

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Henkel
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support
>
> > Your use of "NEVER" may be based on experience, but if it's based on the
> > opinion of others, you may want to give it a chance. Even if you go with
> > Linux or Mac OSX, you will have to have some flavor of Windows if you are
> > going to run FrameMaker.
>
> Personally, I've been using Vista since September and haven't seen any
> more problems than what I've had with XP.
>
> --
> Rick Henkel
> http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm
> ___

Microsoft XP support

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report 
refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it.

As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it.


Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

Microsoft XP support

[Stuart Rogers]

Austin Meredith wrote:
> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue 
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
> 
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Microsoft XP support

[Stuart Rogers]

Austin Meredith wrote:
> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue 
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?
> 
>

(Sorry about the previous posting with no content but the quote -- 
that's the first hiccup I've experienced with Thunderbird.)

What MS announced was that by the end of June, computer makers will have 
to stop *selling* Windows XP for all uses other than ultra-low-cost PCs. 
  Mainstream technical support will continue to be available for Windows 
XP through April 2009, and more limited support will continue through 
April 2014.  (That probably means that the constant stream of patches 
for security "vulnerabilities" will continue till then.)

MS had originally said they would stop selling XP in January, but were 
forced by market pressure to extend that date.

It is already most unusual that MS is still allowing XP to be sold when 
its successor has been on the market for so long.  We all knew that XP 
would disappear when Vista arrived -- we shouldn't expect any more 
difficulties than were experienced when previous OS versions were 
superceded.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde  (or was it Bill Gates??)

Microsoft XP support

[Rick Quatro]

For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this out:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be discussing?

Microsoft XP support

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

This may also be relevant :) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24293129/

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Rick Quatro
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:26 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Austin Meredith
> Subject: Re: Microsoft XP support
> 
> For those looking to "save" Windows XP, you may want to check this
out:
> 
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> > According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to
discontinue
> > its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be
discussing?

Microsoft XP support

[Greg. Eckrich]

Hi Dan,

Your sentiment is completely understood; however, where will you run  
FrameMaker after your XP breaks?
Is Adobe going to port back to MAC (as though they should have left  
in the first place)?!  or to Linux?  Do you have some inside scoop here?

I presently run frame in XP as a guest O/S on a MacBook Pro.  It  
works.  Even so, it would not, under the scenario you project, offer  
you an answer.  Would appreciate your thoughts.

Best regards,

Gregory Eckrich,
Technical Writer
708-743-6849 cell
708-862-7180
GWEckrich at wowway.com



On 5-Apr - 2008, at 8:23 AM, Dan Gallagher wrote:

> When my XP stops working, that's when I'll either try Linux or buy a
> Macintosh. I will NEVER use Vista!
> Sincerely,
> Dan--Ft. Lauderdale
>
>
> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be  
> discussing?
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Microsoft XP support

[mbrad...@techpubs.com]

> Vista is past the early adopter
> phase, past the first patch release milestones, and seems to be stable
> enough for production systems.

For my part, it's not the stability of Vista that concerns me, it's the darn 
user interface. I avoid Vista like the plague, and so far I've been able to 
work for clients who agree with me. Even when I'm forced to run Vista, I use 
itg with the XP-menu add-ons.

= Mike Bradley
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