RE: Find not finding
Hi Guy, OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that what he did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection coming in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special and then selected the Text option. He was under the impression that that would bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of problem still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, though. Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is downloading and trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak. Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a temporary Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures that I get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text copied in. (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that much more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet. HTH, Chuck -Original Message- From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM To: Beck, Charles Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Find not finding Charles-- Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through FrameMaker's own mechanisms? And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older version involved? Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, and when I shared your info with them, they asked. --Thanks, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Beck, Charles wrote: Hi again all, Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general interest to the rest of the group. The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. ... Chuck ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Find not finding
Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using that introduced the problem. Am I missing something here? Chuck From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM To: Beck, Charles Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Find not finding You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Beck, Charles wrote: Hi Guy, OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that what he did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection coming in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special and then selected the Text option. He was under the impression that that would bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of problem still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, though. Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is downloading and trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak. Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a temporary Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures that I get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text copied in. (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that much more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet. HTH, Chuck -Original Message- From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM To: Beck, Charles Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Find not finding Charles-- Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through FrameMaker's own mechanisms? And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older version involved? Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, and when I shared your info with them, they asked. --Thanks, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Beck, Charles wrote: Hi again all, Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general interest to the rest of the group. The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. ... Chuck ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Find not finding
I'm pretty sure he means this: http://stevemiller.net/puretext/ -Niels - -Original Message- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Behalf Of Beck, Charles - Sent: 22. maj 2006 16:49 - To: Shmuel Wolfson - Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com - Subject: RE: Find not finding - - Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the - Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one - labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent - as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from - there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using - that introduced the problem. - - Am I missing something here? - - Chuck - - - - - From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM - To: Beck, Charles - Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com - Subject: Re: Find not finding - - - You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's - faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent. - - -- - Regards, - Shmuel Wolfson - - - - Beck, Charles wrote: - - Hi Guy, - - OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that - what he - did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection - coming - in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special - and then - selected the Text option. He was under the impression that - that would - bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. - - We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of - problem - still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does, - though. - - Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is - downloading and - trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak. - - Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a - temporary - Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures - that I - get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text - copied in. - (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually - necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that - much - more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my - experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet. - - HTH, - Chuck - - - -Original Message- - From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM - To: Beck, Charles - Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com - Subject: Re: Find not finding - - Charles-- - - Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into - FrameMaker? -That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in - through - FrameMaker's own mechanisms? - - And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an - older - version involved? - - Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, - and - when I shared your info with them, they asked. - - --Thanks, - Guy K. Haas - Software Exegete in Silicon Valley - - Beck, Charles wrote: - - - Hi again all, - - Just wanted to let you all know that I received several - replies, - including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might - be of general - interest to the rest of the group. - - The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether - there was any - - - - - - imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word - content can - include hidden control characters that can interfere - with the Find - function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as - MIF and then - reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. - - - ... - - - Chuck - - - - ___ - - - You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - To unsubscribe send a blank email to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - or visit - http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com - - Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit - http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - - - - ___ - - - You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - To unsubscribe send a blank email to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - or visit - http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk - - Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
RE: Find not Finding
On this forum a few months ago I learned that the problematic MS Word hidden control character can be found and destroyed by typing \x0d (zero, not Oh) in the find/change box and changing it to nothing. This, for my purposes, seems to do the same thing as the MIF cycle described below, and is faster. You will most likely find one of these characters for each paragraph in the document. Whenever I open a Word file in Frame, or paste content from Word, this find/change operation is the first thing I do, and all is good after. A second trick I often use is to Paste Special text, which also strips the garbage from the incomer and keeps your Frame file cleaner. Oran Message: 12 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400 From: Beck, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Find not finding To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi again all, Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general interest to the rest of the group. The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Find not finding
Chuck I regularly have the same problem, mainly in documents imported from Word. Search works for 7 pages, then finds nothing more. I have no idea as to the cause of the problem (it is beyond my capacity to dive into word bugs, FrameMaker find bugs, and bugs resulting from the interaction of the two) . However I found out that by exporting the file to mif and then reimporting to Frame, everything settles down, and the find functions works again as it should. HTH Amnon Beck, Charles wrote: Hi fellow Framers, Got a new one I've never seen before: One of my local colleagues is working with a Frame file he inherited somewhere along the line. He did a search for a string that he *knows* is in the file. If the cursor is in the particular section where the string is when he starts the search, Find can locate it. However, if the cursor is anywhere *outside* that section, Find cannot locate it, acts as if it isn't even there. After experimenting with it, we have come to the conclusion that there must be something in one of the section headers or something that is blocking attempts to search that section if the cursor is outside the section when the search is done. But we're really not certain. The problem *seems* to be restricted to that one section, but there is no way to be absolutely sure, and that is our concern. What if there are other sections in this file or other files in this book that are doing the same thing? We often use strings of question marks to identify troublespots in the text that we need to fix and then search on them later. However, if the search engine does not find them, we run the risk of leaving such relics in the text. Even in normal usage, we run the risk of not finding strings that we are trying to fix. We're using Frame 7.0 on Windows machines. Has anyone else ever seen a problem like this? Can anyone give us any idea what might be going on here? Please reply to me directly (even if replying to the list as well), because I get the posts in digest format. We'd like to address the problem today, if possible. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Beck | Sr. Information Developer | Infor | office: 614-523-7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/amnon.yaish%40free.fr Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Find not finding
On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400, Beck, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find function. That was the case with our problem. Thanks for reporting this to the list! I've always advised people to import Word files as plain text only, to avoid other problems I've seen (such as a char format named Default P Format [sic] applied to all the text in every para ;-), but this one is new to me. Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. This can be burdensome if you have lots of files to do. So we added it as a feature of the Mif2Go plugin; it's in the File menu as Wash Via MIF. You don't need to buy Mif2Go to use it; just download the demo and install the plugin: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm It works on entire books as well as single files, way faster than you can do it by hand. Enjoy! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Find not finding
Charles-- Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through FrameMaker's own mechanisms? And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older version involved? Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, and when I shared your info with them, they asked. --Thanks, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Beck, Charles wrote: Hi again all, Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies, including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general interest to the rest of the group. The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. ... Chuck ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
